We are jolly well going to get preggers this month and keep it with some Rat smacking, pom pom waving, baking, visualising and brooking no argument. JUST FERTILISE!

Thank you for the positive vibes scream it was an internet cheapie so I'll obviously have to try a bit harder to convince the next one!

Haha Scream, I am so not that efficient

I just went in on the way to work for emergency lunch and just happened to pass the pg tests (right at the back of the shop)...

Can't wait for today to be over and have 2 days off with my boys!

My test count stands at 1 CBD 19 cheapies and 2 Asda left..

Ninja you will definitely be getting your BFP before your next appointment. You will be in the next round of mass BFPs.

Generic has the shagathon started?

Late I've just seen your post from yesterday. It is possible you are pg now. I ovulated 3 days after I stopped bleeding from my first MC and became pg. Sadly I did go on to MC again, only 8 weeks on from my first MC but there's many stories on MN where the second time was successful. You could always POAS and find out?

I peed on another internet cheapie this morning and am pleased to say that the line was much stronger. (When I run out of them I won't buy any more, so another 10 to go, plus 2 CBs and 1 FR to go!)

The last 4 days have gone soooooo slowly. I caved on Friday and told my best friend. I will not be telling anyone else though, at least not until I've had an early scan. If for any reason my MW won't refer me for one at 8 weeks, we've already decided to pay for a private one. There's no way I can wait until 12. I'm feeling a lot more positive now, but still have moments where sheer panic takes over and I convince myself it will all go wrong before that.

Good work with your internet cheapies scream, if AF is not due until the end of next week and you're getting lines already you might be having twins Do you have twins in your family?

Well done jaggy for stepping away from the tests.

How are you doing this morning dream?

Jaggy I am incredibly impressed that you have actually left your house, done an Asda shop, and returned, all by 8.30 on a Sunday morning! Wow!

Oh Cake! How frustrating that the evil pee sticks are keeping you in suspense!! You've got SO MANY signs though, it's absolutely clear that this month is your month, and your confirmation will be along shortly!

Which type of pee stick are you using? I got BFNs at 10 DPO as well, but just 24 hours later the FRER gave me an awesome surprise! The internet cheapies are particularly disapproving of early testing, so if you're using those it might take just a day or two longer.

Implantation can take anywhere from 6 to 12 days, so your sweet little Cakelet could still be busily working it's way down and hasn't got around to churning out enough hcg for those fussy pee sticks yet. It's so early you still have loads of time to get those pee sticks in order! You are SO updiffed!

I've actually not tested at all since yesterday morning

Good job scream and keep on brooking no argument cake :)

Am saving CBD and some Asda ones I bought this morning for tomorrow when AF normally due.

Hello I have been debating with DH as to whether I was allowed to test early. I won, which I now regret as it was a BFN. But I'm sure it's just too early and I'll get right back to brooking no argument! It simply isn't fair for me to feel sick and crampy all week and actually just be ill - that would be just boring!

Well done for all of those lines scream you must have quite a collection now

Good job Scream on getting those Internet cheapies in line and a line is still a line on the FR one!

Think about it - you're still testing before AF due so as you say just keep taking it one day at a time - we'll all be brooking no argument whatsoever on your behalf. Each day is another one ticked off .

Well this morning the internet cheapies are giving me a little more love, which is nice but the FRER seems unchanged it's still much fainter than I'd like, and looks the same as my very first FRER at 11 DPO (it's now 14 DPO). However I'm SUPER grateful that the lines keep coming up at all, and I'll be continuing to eat huge amounts of veg and doing lots of positive visualisation of little Squeak settling in. After four days of faint lines I'm actually getting MORE excited! I'll be continuing my daily poas though, in the hope of getting a strong line soon.

The earliest AF would have been due (if I wasn't brooking no argument from her whatsoever!) would have been tomorrow, and if she was in line with my longest cycle it would have been next Friday, so I'll be taking next week one day at a time. Squeak and I can do this, we're both equally stubborn determined!

Where is everyone?

I'm sorry to hear you're not feeling well Cake, don't worry it should pass in about 12 weeks . And Ninja it's just such a shame your doctor is going to all this trouble arranging these tests for you when you'll have confirmed your pregnancy before your next appointment!

Sounds like I'm right in the middle of your ladies in terms of bras! I've been a DD since I was about 18, but back then I was a size 10/12. Since getting married a couple of years ago I've been putting on weight constantly I'm now a size 14 which is so frustrating when I don't even have a baby to attribute it to! So far my cup size hasn't gone up with all this weight gain fortunately (although my chest size has ) I'm actually a little worried that while pg/bf my boobs will swell up, and then after the bf they'll deflate back to a DD (which is fine) but this time they'll be really saggy! I guess that's just part of the reality of being a mother, but it's one of the downsides!

Love the idea of boob equalisation!

Thank you for the ginger biscuits and sympathy I think it is all out of my system now -yuk!

Cake you poor thing being ill! I do hope this is a sign of your updiffedness. And I hope DH is being kind and stroking your hair.

oh cake you poor thing. surely your dp should be holding your hair and saying soothing things and passing you glasses of water? I am sure its impending pregnancy symptoms, hopefully it will pass soon

Oh Cake you poor thing, although that's probably just more evidence of your upduffedness...

Oh no biscuits don't weep bra shopping is upsetting for me too, mainly because no bra makes me look like I have boobs. So I try not to go very often should really buy new bras!

I've spent a fair bit of the evening in the bathroom being ill. Hopefully this is a sign of my progressing pregnancy and not a progressing illness DH is drinking wine and watching a film, I am jealous!

cheers m'dear!

Ninja here's to your ironic BFP this month!

Biscuits I'm with you on the big boob front (ahem) - I'm a G cup. Actually, they don't look that big, but bra shopping is a nightmare for me too. I used to go to Bravissimo, but there are a couple of cheaper places online. Fortunately I managed to get G cup maternity/BF bras, just with a bigger ribcage size. I got mine from Mothercare, but I think G may be the biggest they do and I was so embarrassed and worried they wouldn't fit me (and relieved when they did).

Late I can relate to the post-mc obsession/anxiety. I've had two mcs and one DD. I had my ERPC in early April and have been ttc since then. I'm sure it will happen for us both soon. If you had a pos opk soon after your ERPC, could you be pg again right now? Sometimes it can take a while to get your AF back, but other people ov straight away so it's definitely possible!

dream have you thought about a ring sling? It shifts the weight to completely different areas than a back pack sling ( I have a toddler patapum and a ring sling, ds is now too heavy for both but I carried him regularly until he was 3 and a bit, plus he loved to snuggle up and sleep in his ring sling), might be worth a shot? Could you find a local sling meet and try one out? Or if you are handy at sewing you could make one?
well i had my assessment at hospital today. DP needs to provide another sample and i need my fsh bloods redone and an hsg and ultrasound scan. But of course I will confirm my bfp before all of that!

Yes Scarlet me too - I was just under my pre pg weight when I came out of hospital - bet I'm not so lucky this time . Also very sad that I managed to put on that half a stone on holiday (actually cross with myself as didn't even eat that badly) as pre holiday I was the lightest I'd been since my mega bf days. Oh well. I always said tiDH that once the ttc thing was 'resolved' (ie we'd either given up or had another baby) then I was going to Sort It Out! And I will. I found it hard to stick to anything with all those 2wws (pitiful excuse I know but I used to eat for being nervous / stressed/ sad etc etc).

Oh and re the boobs, yes I would think they would get bigger . I have to say I can't stand M&S bra measuring. Whenever I go in they look at me as if I've got massive boobs on purpose and huff and puff because nothing fits but generally make me feel as if I have done it on purpose to annoy them. And I once wanted a sort of push up type bra (when I was a bit younger and probably a mere F or G cup) and the lady in there made me feel like I was some sort of tart . Grrrrrr. Anyway, Bravissimo look after my regular needs but failed me when they reached the colossal size of my bf boobs . I actually forget what cup size they were. Possibly a K? Who knows. Anyway, I think prior to my previous preg I was a J so maybe they are a bit smaller this time so I might even fit into something that doesn't need scaffolding .

I have just been to Bravissimo in fact to get some bras to accommodate an expanding rib cage and they put me in a 38 HH. Could have got away with a 36 (which was one size up) but the 38 felt a bit more roomy (although they always stretch I suppose). And the HH cup size has room for growth too. Am going to try and eat a bit more healthily I think going forward. And trying to swim twice a week (although not this week as my sis is visiting).

In short - bra shopping makes me weep :(

Dream will you be going back to work at the end of your maternity leave? That will vastly reduce the amount of lifting if someone else is looking after your DD for the days you're at work? (I'm not trying to make any assumptions there - just wondered?)

And I am sure she'll soon get the hang of this walking malarky. Is she 11 mths ish at the mo? DS was 14 months before he got the hang of it (as in took first steps) so months after that until he'd nailed it with any sort of reliability. So hopefully she'll pick that up soon and then there will be less carrying there too.

You can always say re the baby carrying thing that she's just starting to get a bit heavier? Or once she starts walking you could say that it is a hassle to put her in and out of a carrier if she wants to walk / rest / walk etc etc so easier to use buggy?

Crikey Biscuits are you expecting your boobs to get bigger than an H with this pregnancy? Have you checked out the world wide web for large size maternity bras? I just had a quick look for you and there seems to be a few sites. You could always get measure at Marks and then order online.

Unfortunately I have the worst of both worlds. I'm about 3 stone overweight and still have tiny boobs I shifted a lot of it straight after DS through breast feeding and general knackeredness, but sadly it crept back on again as soon as I stopped. 2 weeks after I gave birth to DS I actually weighed less than the day I got pregnant. Pregnancy gave me the kick up the arse I needed to eat healthily, I put on just over a stone in total most of which went the day he was born, then BF got rid of the rest. I'm so mad with myself for falling back into bad habits so will definitely make the same effort again with this pregnancy and then try harder to keep it off afterwards.

Now off to eat my nice healthy steak and salad I've made for dinner

Well with a baby who isn't independently mobile on her feet yet, I know i'll be doing a lot of carrying scarlet, and all my friends with toddlers carried them around throughout their whole second pregnancy (except those with bad SPD or something). But the waist band round the middle on my carriers might have to stop quite soon, though you're right, uterus too deep in pelvis to matter right now. Phew. Feel better. If I'd engaged brain before panicking, I'd have known that!! This will be a dead giveaway though. I only bought a buggy 2 months ago. I am a baby-wearing addict and well known for it. I literally may as well paint 'I'm knocked up' on my forehead, so keeping it quiet will go out the window I reckon!!! Unless people are just much less observant than I give them credit for...

Now Cake, any more symptoms to report? How about you scream?

Any spare cupcakes to bring into here babysade? mmmmmm We need a bit more baking.

And jaggy, i will be joining you with the old, hand-me-down maternity clothes which were never my to taste, again. But, of course, I will pull them off with style and look blooming marvellous at least in my imagination or on a quick sideways squint into a mirror in the half light

I agree with Scarlet on the lifting thing Dream. DS is far too big for being carried in any sort of contraption (also just over 2 and a half stones like Scarlet's) but I worry a bit about carrying him.

About once a day at the moment he has some sort of melt down (very tiring - he doesn't normally bother with temper tantrums ) and then does that whole 'floppy' thing where he won't put his feet down and it is sooooooo heavy to hold him up, and I'm getting more and more cross telling him to put his feet down (grrrrrrr). Not so bad at home but if he does it when we're out its a real pain if you can't just put him down as he is an absolute dead weight. And I do find it makes my tummy hurt / ache.

For a while now I've been cutting down carrying him because he is just too heavy so it isn't a sudden change for him for me to say I can't carry him. But I do occasionally pick him up and it does make me ache.

Anyway, that's a lot of rambling to say I am sure it won't make much difference - as you say Scarlet when we're at home on our own with them you have no choice, but if DH (or indeed any other able person ) I'll get them to help out.

Oh, and I'm afraid I have the opposite boobage problem. At the moment my boobs are a modest H cup . To be fair I'm not exactly my slimmest (ahem). I put on half a stone on holiday just before getting pg so never quite managed to shift it and since getting pg I've put on another half a stone so I am now about a stone heavier than I was at the start of June. Can't understand how I've put on so much since getting pg as it seemed to all go on at once and nothing since I reckon it must all be my boobs! That's what I told the m/w anyway....

Even when I was 5'7", size 10 slimmest I've ever been, I still had an E cup. I'm still 5'7" obviously but sadly not a size 10, or a size 12, or even a size 14 now...... I hate it - they are a pain in the arse and almost impossible to shop for (bra wise). And as for nursing bras - gah! Last time I had to have some horrible NCT ones which were the only ones I could find to fit :(

I am really going to get in shape after this baby is all sorted and bf and see if I can't get those boobs down to some sort of commercial size :)

Oh dream I know what you mean, I was worrying about lifting DS in and out of his car seat earlier, he weighs 2 and a half stone and refuses to climb in and out himself.

I'm sure everything is absolutely fine, there's no way you can have done any damage at this early stage. Your uterus is so deep in your pelvis still at this stage and babydream is still microscopic. I probably would stop using the carriers now though just to put your mind at rest about it and use a buggy instead while out and about.

Obviously we can't avoid lifting our DCs when we're at home alone with them, but if DH is with me I will now make sure he does it instead of me.