Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your leathers, black nail polish, air guitar and jump in the mosh pit for some serious metalling. All welcome! (Part 17)

You know, summer I think our men probably can't really win in this situation - my DP is asking me every morning 'what's your tempertaure? What's that mean?' and this morning 'Have you done a test?' and whilst I think it's kinda sweet he's so eager, I'd also like him to be unaware and for me to be able to surprise him when there is good news. Fancy a swap?

And if you're testing later, make sure you hold your pee for a few (ideally four!) hours and restrict your fluid intake so that the sample isn't too diluted.

Remember, if that spotting was implantation (and seems like it could have been) then you might not have enough hcg in your system yet for a positive - it ain't over til theaunt named flo arrives!

DH is pissing me off. I mentioned to him by email that AF still late (dont worry i didnt specifically mention periods! i actually used the term AF which he is more than familiary with ).

he said 'dont get my hopes up - just let me know when you POAS or get AF'. great thanks! so i have to endure this torment mentalling all on my own!! thank god for you guys!

anyway - have decided to POAS when i get in from work before he gets in, that is if DS doesnt nick the pee stick off me!! (when i got my BFP in January DS grabbed the stick and ran round the house yelling 'aaaaaaahhhhhh' hilarious!)

that way i will know whether to (A)celebrate with DH or (b)get hammered on

Thanks for the kinds words peeps (made me cry again, had to scurry off to the loo). I did think about dropping off this thread for a while to get my head around things but I really value the support we give each other so don't think I could! I didn't get AF back until 10 months after having DS and I guess it's only to be expected that things might be a bit haywire after the m/c. I am worried that I do have low progesterone though because of the spotting (and my temps still stay high) and then worry more that the low progesterone might have caused the m/c (must stay away from Google, darn it). And then worry some more that i'm an old mare knocking on the door of 40 so my hormones could be all to whack never to return!

Granny is taking DS tomorrow so DP & I can go out climbing for the day to one of our favourite places. Think I need some exercise, fresh air, quality time with DP and taking part in one of my favourite activities! Nothing like clinging onto a piece of rock with DP shouting obscenities at me to hurry up, to distract me from TTC!

I also didn't notice any symptoms when I was pregnant with DS. I was much more chilled out then and didn't do any symptom spotting at all! I just did a test when AF was late and there the 2 lines were! Oh the innocence!

Just got an M&S dine in for £10 special for tea tonight as a treat! :)

summer I feel so positive for you and your BFP!

whats when do you normally ovulate? You never know CD13 might be back in time and he'll be full of enthusiasm too after a few days away!

manda your chart deffo sounds promising this month (are you also on the charting thread?)

blue thanks for the words, I know what you are saying in that at least the AF goes to show that something is working properly at some point along the way! Spotting pre AF does seem common, I had it for 2 days last month starting 11dpo so wasn't concerned as that gave me a decentish LP but starting at 8dpo for 4 days just doesn't feel right. I knew deep down it wasn't implantation bleeding either!

eve have a fab time at camp!!!

shimmery so sorry to hear about your uncle, big hugs xxx

How are our thread bumps marathon and IQ?

Big hello to everybody else, stuffing myself with a walnut whip now !! xxx

off to check that out whatso

oh pie sorry about the AF, look you need to have a good blub about this every now and again, there is no shame in it. this is an emotional rollercoaster and we are relying on fate to get us through it. it is heartbreaking how one little digital display/blue line can make everything magnified. chin up love and have a tonight (with a liddle bit of blue cheese eh?)

answering babys question - with DS i didnt feel pregnant at all - i only did the test to see if i could have a bottle of or not . However two days later i was falling asleep at 8pm and my boobs had inflated twice the size!

PS If anyone needs a giggle the AIBU thread called "To chuffing LOVE that on certain threads people always say stuff like" (sorry I don't know how to link) is pretty hilarious today.

The one about duracell chickens had me snorting laughing.

Happy Friday metallers!

baby yes, they are hideously unattractive! I just really wanted to wear this dress as it looks nice (when I can get it on) and it gives me a confidence boost.

summer I would buy those tests if they were available - I reckon it would only need a little tweak in the software to the current pregnant/not pregnant ones on the market

eve have a great time at camp

blue mine is just spotting really, but enough so I would feel a bit ick suggesting DTD to DH.

Annoyingly he is off to Japan on Tuesday for four days, not back until day 13 of my cycle so I at least want to get a couple of bonks in before then, even if I know in my heart of hearts the timing of his trip makes this month look rather unlikely for us.

manda to add weight to your theory, my AF restarted yesterday after 12 hours or so of nothing directly after my yoga class. However, surely there must be blood/womb gunk (sorry TMI!) that needs to come out, so if I didn't do any exercsie for a few days, wouldn't it just postpone it rather than stop it altogether?

pie sorry to hear about your AF arriving and how miserable you are feeling. and richly deserved methinks.

[waves to everyone else]

shimmery Sorry about your Uncle. It's surprising how the loss of someone we know can hit us.

Pie Ugh, sorry AF got you. I know exactly how you feel re reminders and then the disappointment of not even being back to normal. Glad youre going to tlk to the GP but they'll probably just tell you to see how it goes for a while yet (it really can take months for us to return to normal hormonally)

whatso I've been meaning to say this to you after your 12 day af last month and realising you are a runner - how about trying giving yourself a few days off when you think AF is finishing up/when it SHOULD be finishing? After giving birth, when my bleeding died down, if I over exerted myself physically it would all ramp up again. After my miscarriage, I tried to do some exercise 6 weeks or so after the procedure, and two days after my af had ended - before I was into a second set of star jumps, the bleeding had started again as if a tap turned on! So, I stopped, and it all stopped again by the following day. I guess I'm just saying there might be a link between your exercising and proonged bleeding? Seems to make sense to me logically, given my personal experience, but of course we are all different.

blue Hey, great that you're going to be looking your best for all the upcoming swi! I jest, no doubt it'll all settle down but yes, you're right, for things to be off, or differnt, seems par for the course, eh?

eve As has been said, what worthwhile work you do. I do hope you manage to enjoy camp, as much as you'll be glad it's over come sunday.

Summer !!!! I know you're shitting it but you've gotta admit that it all sounds very 'bfp pending'-like your end! I would certainly be poas if I were you... Fingers crossed for you.

So, I'm either 6 or 8 dpo (gut says 6, fertility friend reckons 8). And tested bfn today (no surprise, it's waaaay to early! I had the faintest, barely not even there, look too hard and it disappeared line at 10 dpo last time. Was still stark white bfn at 12 dpo with DS2). But after a temp dip below the coverline yesterday, with a tiny streak of blood in ewcm, followed by my highest temp of the cycle so far today, I can't help feeling hopeful.

As for 'feeling pregnant pre testing' with DD I had no idea - despite finding it hard to get out of bed because I felt sick and dizzy! But I was young and didn't have a clue as to what symptoms might be. I didn't even test until I was nearly 7 weeks and that's only because exDH insisted I was pregnant. With DS1, we were using condoms, and one split. I laughed 'good job that didn't happen a few days ago, when I was ovulating' (knew a bit more aboutmy body by then - I'd noticed ewcm). Anyway, within days my boobs were super sore and I just knew I was pregnant. First test I took was bfn but I was so sure I stopped on the way home from work the next day, bought a test in boots and tested in the birger king toilets next door - bfp. DS2 I knew from about 4dpo, boobs again were soooo sore. It was agnoy feeling 'I am!' yet getting bfns all the way until 12 dpo at which point I stopped testing until 15 dpo and officially 'late' for that bfp. With DS3, I O'd the day we left for christmas in New York. There was no way we could SWI that day, but had the day before. We were due to be there 5 days but got stuck in the blizzard and all flights were cancelled for two days. At 6-7dpo I started spotting very lightly, nothing 8dpo, then a bit more on 9dpo. I didn't feel pregnant in the slightest, not a tiny bit, but then I was in New York so nicely distracted. The spotting just flagged in my mind as implantation spotting though, so I tested 10 dpo and got the super faint line. In conclusion, then, 50% of the time I have felt pregnant, and 50% of the time I haven't!

For the record, I don't feel it this time, but do feel hopeful given my chart, the streak of blood, and my nipples are quietly burning on and off since yesterday...

Time will tell!!

Oh pie I'm so sorry...this whole process is such a rollercoaster and really tough and it's so frustrating how everyone's body reacts so differently in terms of recovery and the mess the whole thing makes with our emotions, hormones etc! Really hope AF not too heavy and you don't have bad cramps...I've heard of others having spotting before AF after an MC so wondering if it might be a common occurence...though don't know the reason for it. And AF is a very unpleasant reminder of MC...maybe if you can try to think of AF as being a sign that your body has done it's job this cycle in terms of lining and then shedding which is good for preparing the way for a future snuggly place for a little bean that might make it a bit easier !! take care

Hi Peeps,

Just a quickie - am out this month :( AF arrived today (12dpo) after spotting since 8dpo. Am so gutted. Have made an appt with the GP for next week as am very concerned about the 4 days of spotting before AF. I am also emotionally drained right now and really really struggling with it all. I sobbed last night when the test said BFN and the bleeding got heavier - it's such a horrible reminder of the whole m/c experience and I feel at such a loss with myself and hate that my body is letting me down firstly with the m/c and now by not even having a proper cycle

Sorry for me,me post. Hope you are all well !!! It's Friday :) xx

Ooh summer bacon butty is exactly what I need after my late night out last night...my melon and blueberry snack pot isn't really cutting it at the moment!! Only had one glass of wine but ended up getting home rather later than planned so feeling v sleepy this morning! Good to catch up with the lads though!

Any news from manda or missg ...testing testing 123...

IQ, Marathon how's that padded room? Hope you're both nice and comfy in there and feeling a bit more chilled!

eve hope you have a fantastic weekend!! And super well done on the weight loss - that's very impressive!!

whatso well done with the dress fitting...my DH always looks a bit when I pull out the control pants for such occassions...thankfully I had the foresight to get changed on my wedding day before he saw my means of looking slim underneath my wedding dress (hold everything in flesh coloured lace/granny looking no. from M&S ) how frustrating about AF though! Mine seems to be limping on with some spotting but otherwise over.

shimmery to hear about your uncle...

Just to answer Q about 'feeling' pregnant...the month I conceived I was convinced I wasn't, whereas the months before that when we were TTC I was convinced I was each time and got a bfn...my lesson was that the month I chilled out about it was the month it happened (though we had got quite a lot more SWI in that cycle and I'd realised I wasn't ov'ing until CD25 so made sure we kept it up throughout the cycle!)

MC seems to have had some weird effects on my cycle/body...no suprise there I hear everyone cry...but normally I get spots and bloating before or during AF but this time AF has pretty much finished and now my face is just a disaster zone and I feel like a whale... grrr...wondering how long this'll last!

Right...back to try and look as though I'm doing some work and not slowly drifting off to sleep or mindlessly surfing on the net or on MN!

Morning all Just a quick on as I am getting ready for camp.

Blue - how was your night out last night? Hope it was a good one and you are fit to work this morning?

Summer - you do know that I will have to wait all weekend til Monday til I find out.... fingers crossed for you.

Baby - I knew both times I was pg around when my period was due. Sore boobs and cramping/implantation pains. Although last time I had just come off the mini pill so no periods for 2 years so wasn't sure if it was pg or coming off the pill and not having a period for so long.

Shimmery - really sorry to hear about your uncle. It is always sad when a loved one dies. Do you think you will get back for the funeral? I always want to go back home(Warwick now in the south) but everyone has moved away even my mum so there is know one there anymore. But it is still home after 20 years of moving away.

Thank you to those who said nice things about my job, I am very lucky to do something I enjoy and I hope I am good at. I try my best and hopefully make a difference to people at a difficult time in life. Besides the hours are good and I work from home :-)

Hope you all have a great weekend - lots of BFP when I come back please :-)

also was just thinking yesterday - wouldnt it be fab if there was a digital pregnancy test that said either BFP or BFN

shall we get MNHQ on the case?!

morning all

i had a right rockin time at the quiz last night, we raised £400 for North West Ambulance Service, we are hopefully going to do another one soon.

still no AF..... i know what you are all going to say (what i would say to you all!!!) but i am too shit scared to test. the last two months i have been convinced then have tested and been at the BFN.

sooo i am CD26 and 16DPO. The brown spotting stopped a couple of days ago, so i am going to test tomorrow morning if no AF by then. (secretly thinking about nipping out at lunchtime to boots for a cheapie!!)

pad that padded cell up good and proper and let me iiiinnnnnnn!

shimmery so sorry about your uncle, no matter how close you were it is still hard when a close relative dies. sending you the 'unmumsnetty' hugs. where in the north are you and baby from? i am originally from the North East but living in South Manchester now. i know what you mean about being homesick, i would never move back to Newcastle (even though i love the place) but when my grandad died in May i just wanted to be there.

I have some Spanx. They may work but I find them a) sweaty and b) unsettlingly reminiscent of something you'd have to wear if you'd been badly burned.
Empire line is my friend!

Shimmery was it unexpected about your uncle?

Shimmery so sorry to hear about your uncle

So busy in here! I got half of my wish - got into my dress with the assistance of spanx; AF started up again after about 12 hours absence.

You win some you lose some. Roll on Friday. Happy metalling all

Oh no, ShimmeryPixie, am very sorry to hear it! You okay? Whereabouts in the north are you from? I am originally from the north, and have just moved back after spending 15 years in either London or Bristol.

re the pg symptoms, my cycle is like clockwork too so it didn't take me long to realise I was late either. Otherwise I could have left if forever. I am always slightly at those to say they know almost immediately. To be honest, I thinkyou can convince yourself you are pg very easily if you want to.

Summer - dedication is now my middle name (seriously considered doing that via deed poll, but realises it would be weird). Good luck at the quiz.

Baby - if my cycle wasn't like clockwork, I would not have twigged that I was pregnant for a few weeks (at which point the sore boobs would probably have given me a clue). I was totally clueless.

Got news today that one of my uncles has died. I liked him, though didn't know him particularly well. It has made me very homesick for the North.

to that bfp

Eve I meant to say congrats on the weight loss too, that's amazing! And sorry you've had a difficult couple of years. It's nice to hear you have sorted things out though - nobody's perfect afterall (except us fabulous women of course , perfectly nuts that is )
As marathon says, your job sounds so worthwhile. You must get a lot of satisfaction from it, especially when you see the kids at camp with big smiles on their faces. Have a fab - if exhausting - time

Marathon, I have just this minute started having what feels like pre-AF type niggles (or could it be uterus stretching? ) so think I'll try to hang off another couple of days. Swinging from thinking one thing to another on an hourly basis!

Re booking, it does seem a bit of a waste of time filling in all the stuff again, doesn't it? Hope you feel a bit more relaxed once you're past the 7 weeks-ish milestone. Brings it all back, doesn't it . But, I refer you to an amended version of the mantra for the week:

"Chin up, boobs out @@, and PMA all the way to that bfp"

at work so no time for a full name check (I always create a word document and copy and paste - then find it in my recycle bin and double delete it in panic that IT are watching me!!)

just to say that still no news here - i too am hoping it is implantation but who knows? (CB digi that is who!). I just went through the last thread and last month i got AF on CD25 15DPO - which by tandem is today. Cue frantic knicker checking and full on metalling!

Off out tonight for a quiz so hoping that takes my mind off it (yeah right!). Have decided to get up at 4am on Sat morning and POAS then!!! if no AF that is

eve your work sounds amazing! have a wonderful (if not knackering) weekend.

speak tomorrow ladies xx

Morning all.

Hope everyone is ok, just a very quick catch up as I am off to do the food shopping - don't I know how to rock and roll :-)

IQ - 40 is 2/3 the way through I was/am that fat. Last 2 years have been hell (DP shagged a tart. I mean had an affair- all in the past now) so I ate myself silly. Not a drinker food is my vice. So pleased to be slimming down again. Feels like I am back in control of my life.

Summer I work for a charity supporting families who have a certain degenerative genetic neurologcial disease. Meeting was with county council who fund part of my role. went well so must be doing something right. The focus for me is the families. Camp is with the children who have poorly parents and are at risk of the disease too.

Camp always seems like a good idea it is only 3 days and the kids love it but I am always glad when sunday afternoon comes round. It also means I get a week off work :-) so get an extra weeks holiday.

Hope everyone has a great weekend I am sure this will of moved on miles by the time I get back on Sunday.

Thinking of you all metalling :-) still no period here but don't think it is because I might be PG, just think it is taking it's time......

Baby Like you, with my ectopic in April last year, I didn't even notice I was late (as we had stopped TTC due to my being a bridesmaid in September, and not wanting to look like a bookend. So it was an accident, although a very welcome one!). My first symptom was peeing constantly, but that didn't kick in until between 5-6 weeks. Followed very shortly by very sore and rapidly expanding boobs.

This time around, in April this year, the peeing and boobs happened again shortly after I got a BFP, but I think I noticed the thick creamy CM first, hence my recent metalling. I honestly can't remember if I had the CM last year. (by the way, I think I responded to one of your e-mails saying I had ERPC on 16th June ? It was 16th May)

In hindsight, it's the absence of pre-menstrual symptoms that I now remember would have been an idicator:
Usually my boobs get sore a few days before AF due - this didn't happen with either of the PG
Usually, I get pre-AF cramps, not bad, but enough to know AF is on way - this didn't happen with either pg.
And PMT!! Well, this is very obvious for at least 1 day a month, around 2-3 days before AF comes - no door-slamming/swearing/fuming about insignifcant things with either pg.

Am fairly sure I have never felt pg before getting a BFP though, but know people who have.