Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your leathers, black nail polish, air guitar and jump in the mosh pit for some serious metalling. All welcome! (Part 17)

IQ that's lovely lovely news! Such a relief, and I can well imagine it being the best £120 ever spent! Great too that the sonographer had a big old look and everything else, as well as the baby, is as it ought to be. The relief must be HUGE!

Lovely, lovely news, IQ thank you so much for updating.

Yeah IQ that has made me fantastic news!!!

Def helped cheer me up as feeling a bit down today...think it's just the normal 2ww syndrome of 'if it's a bfp' let me know now but 'if it's going to be AF' hurry up and get started so we can move onto the next cycle asap!!

Was going to offer you all one of my malteasers but I'm afraid I've just looked down and I have scoffed the lot at high speed chocolate and good news is a great combination for cheering me up!!

IQ how wonderful!!!

hi all, will catch up properly later tonight but just wanted to let you know how it all went.......everything looks fabulous!!! we saw biscuit and he was even doing a little dance for us (bouncing up and down and waving his flippers)......totally out of this world. DH was like "can't believe it, it feels like a miracle, i feel like i've won the lottery" - bless him he does seem chuffed!!!!

I had loads of questions to ask her but once i saw his little heart beating i just totally forgot them, we even got to hear it and apparently at 175 bpm he is doing well. she gave me a current date of 9 weeks 3 days which is what i thought it was judging by my make shift chart and i have an EDD of 18th March. it was amazing to actually have a full appointment and see the biscuit in 3d ect - definitely the best £120 i have ever spent.

She knew about the MC and so had a good look around inside and said that everything is where it should be, the yolk sac looked good which is a sign that the pregnancy is viable and that the umbilical cord was a good size and bedded down well in the placenta. I feel like someone has just taken a bag of rocks off my back. Im not gonna be confident cos i know that anything can happen between now and 40 weeks but i dont think its going to keep me awake at night as much as it has the past few weeks.....well hopefully!!!

missg i just re-read your post and i have this wonderful image of you as a glamorous housewife (think desperate housewives v mad men), with a touch of slummy mummy thrown in! i am loving your DD's reaction!

Morning all?firstly IQ how did you get on with your scan? Thinking of you!

missg at your conversation with your DD about when she was coming home?

eve I?m with you about wanting to be able to run?my Mum kindly noted that apparently I look like a constipated duck when I run which never did anything to boost my confidence in that area of sports really! Well done with the continued weight loss!!

Well my daily countdown and symptom spotting continues, though BFN again this morning with my IC?s and despite the symptom spotting am not really that hopeful that we?ve been successful this month as SWI has been far from frequent enough but will just have to wait and see?CD25 today?latest symptoms?

• Mild AF cramps/heavy feeling most of the time now
• Am sure (though not poking to check as sat at my desk) that my breasts are starting to feel sore as well
• Stuffy nose
• Seem to have sprouted a number of lovely spots on my face and back (always a good sign hormones are going a little crazy?but could easily be for AF!)
• Just feel exhausted the whole time but may be coming down with a cold which would also explain the stuffy nose thing!

gah so much to catch up on, will check in properly later on but just wanted to see how IQ is getting on - is your scan today? everything (well not everything ) crossed for you! and you were getting all GI Jane on me back there! i am happily metalling here and in the WTF/2WW

see you all later x

You did indeed read right MissG. It would've been 8 days straight but by the Friday I was just a little bit tired. Also, I figured that a positive OPK on the penultimate day means enough had been done .

Now trying to work out if I really have sore boobs or if it's just due to the press ups I've been doing.

Got a conference call in 5, then disappearing off to a client's offices for the rest of the week, so won't be able to update. See you all at the weekend.

Whatso - hope today is better - the first day back is always the worst, feels like you have never been away. Be kind to yourself.

Manda - hope you are ok, it is such a difficult decision to make to stop ttc, it has crossed my mind as I am 39 in Oct I sometime think that ds is my lot, but this is really our first month of actually ttc so shouldn't give up just yet but I am not sure I can handle the dissappiontment month after month. I can't imagine the gp or such like will give us the time of day if we rocked up and asked for help. Anyway I digress as ever.

IQ - hope the scan went well. I can imgaine how you must be lurching from PMA and worrying yourself silly. All sounds like it should be. Only 30 weeks or so to go. I am sure it can't go by quick enough.

Blue......and todays test......????????

Miss G - well done on the dtd I really wanted to get another one in yesterday but really couldn't be arsed and was to full of curry :-)

Baby - well done on the running. Would love to be able to run. Hang on in there your time will come.

Well we had nice day yesterday, DS was really good whilst in and out of shops so took him to soft play. lost 2.5 lb this week so I am pleased with that and celebrated with big fat curry :-) Can see my week off going by too quickly as always but having nice time pottering with DS.

Hope everyone is ok? Marathon do we have an update and cuttle??? sorry to those I have over looked have brain like swiss cheese?

My god, there's a lot of rampantness on this thread isn't there?! And taking days off to get more in, blimey! Hats off to you, and lets hope those sore loins will be rewarded eh!

I am in WTF cycle mode big time now so think, even if DH was coming round to the idea, my metaling etc is a way off. Bugger! I have this silly, silly as I realise it is very likely to end in disappointment for soooo many reasons, being pg again by Christmas.

Seems as if it not just me who's DH is different when his family is around then? Yep, and I have a week of it next week. This is where having a dog comes in very handy as I can always take her out and escape for a bit. In laws are okay I suppose, just very repressed and the conversation always stays on a certain level (ie work, the weather, the garden) which wears after a while. 12 hours in fact (inc time asleep!)

Am off to bed in a bit. Went running for the first time in months today and it half killed me. Night!

Just a quick one as have been working away today, and am off to bodypump shortly.

Here you go Blue extra big bit for the PMA . CD 24?? No wonder you are symptom spotting like a true metalling maniac - when will you test next? Tomorrow?

Well that's CDs 11, 12 and 14 taken care of . Shimmery Did I read right?? 7 days in a row? I take my hat off to you girl . No wonder your bed broke!

IQ best of luck for the scan tomorrow. Will be looking forward to hearing news of wee biscuit's progress

Enjoy your curry Eve . Yep, teenagers don't half get in the way of SWI. I only have the one, but our house seems to be congested with them during the hols. I don't mind most of teh time. I had to call her to check she wasn't going to be home in the next half hour, and she was like "It's ok, I've got my key" and I was like "No. I NEED TO KNOW if you'll be back in the next half hour!" And (I think she clicked) all I heard was "Jeez Mum, no I won't, goodbye. Urgh". Hehe.

Summer good to hear you are doing well and having a month or two off the obsessive SWI. I have just checked both my own and DHs work schedules, and checked what my DD has on for the rest of the week. It can get ridiculous to be honest. Earlier I was saying to DH that I just can't turn it on and off at the drop of a hat, and he started singing Barry White. Sent me into a fit of giggles which was slightly counterproductive!

Big wave to everyone else. And sorry to hear about workload and work-related stress problems. Hope you can sort them out. I've been there - actually had 6 weeks off (and I have an excellent attendance record) a few years back as I had bee doing the work of 2 people for over 3 years. Burnt me out. The stats spoke for themselves and they recruited another person, but it took me going off sick for it to happen. That is NOT how it should work though. Ironically, I work for a Trade Union

Afternoon all! Ok ? updated ?symptom? list:

• nipples ok again
• AF like stomach cramps yesterday evening (needed hot water bottle) and this afternoon including stabbing pains around right ovary
• Stinking headache today (had these when pg last time)
• V v tired this afternoon (but could be linked to late night, early morning and looong meeting this morning?actually that could explain the headache too!)
• Oh, and a BFN with one of my internet cheapies this morning CD24 today ? a day further along than I thought yesterday!

IQ sounds like a sensible approach to MIL and looking after biscuit?thinking of you for your scan tomorrow ? is DH able to go with you to this one?

pie hope work a bit better today!

whatso sorry to hear about your pants feedback yesterday?so glad you had good hols though!

baby grrrr for you re. the WTF cycle ? so very frustrating! Hope spotting gets itself sorted quickly!

missg I have saved a spot for you in the full on metal 2ww area!! Trying to stick with the PMA so will bore you all daily with my symptom spotting! ooh and rhubarb tart sounds yummy if there?s any left?

summer you can come and join us too?well done for the ?doing it when you want to plan? I think with everything that?s happened for you guys in the last few months that?s v wise!

marathon how?s things?

shimmery what can I say I am impressed with your diligence to the cause!!

eve SO impressed with your weight loss! I?ve managed half a stone since the MC but could do to lose another stone though my heart isn?t really in it at the moment as there seems to be so much else going on!

manda at your changing hormones!

cuttle really hope all?s ok with you!

Right?think that?s everyone covered?and time to go home!

Have calmed down after my MIL explosion ? was loving all your MIL stories though they brought a to my face??must focus on biscuit a.k.a mini IQ and not worry about what other people are saying. My cousin said ?smile and nod because people will tell you all manner of rubbish over the next few months and if they don?t take the hint remind them that as you?re the one pushing the baby out of your fanjo ? you get the final say??..really could a girl ask for better family than that !!!

Tomorrow were off for another scan so will be shaking in my boots until we know that all is still progressing. Have had a couple of puke mornings and some bad nausea over the past week so hopefully all is well but you know what were like metal we will just be worrying right up until someone hands the baby over and then a next set of worries begin!!!!

Here we go for a full on and epic catch up:

Manda - fully agree she is making a number of assumptions but have decided that I will just let it go because as it?s our baby we will raise said baby as we see fit and if other people don?t agree then that?s their problem not mine.

baby - fully agree on DH being ?odd? when his parents are around. How are you doing today? Still spotting/cramping? Liked your ?polish gangs? comment?..I imagined you for a little while as a mafia style leader telling your underlings ?I made him a fimo he couldn?t refuse? he he he!!!

whatso - glad to see your back ok and had a great time. I?m starting my finger crossing for all your 2ww ladies??hopefully we get some more good news this month!!! Also a little bit refusing to speak to you as you got lucky and have a fab MIL?..mine is normally quite lovely but it seems that my big life changing events bring out the dragon in her.....it happened for my wedding and seems to have started already with the baby.

eve - how was Bournemouth? Camping at the weekend sounds like fun ? will it be a situation where ds is soooooo excited that he doesn?t sleep during your over night???? 5 weeks to Disneyland?..super jealous!!!

blue - from your list of symptoms I fully agree to you being invited into the newly created VIP metal area!!! Chocolate cake?.yes please. I?ve gone off salad and veg but would happily eat custard, cake, crème brulee, biscuits and all yummy things!!!

MissG - nearly caught in the act?..he he he ? I suppose I have all this to look forward to!!!

cuttle - how is everything? Hope you and mini cuttle are doing well and things are continuing to progress nicely.

summer - we shall allow you to have one foot in the WTF section and one in the 2ww metal section?..entry into the VIP section will not allowed until we get some symptoms from camp summer.

Marathon - that was a bit of an ?check everyone but not update on what is going on with me???sneaky!!!! So I shall put it out there now and say what the heck is going on in camp marathon? Hope you are all well ? any other symptoms or still around the same? Also do you have another scan booked in or are you going to wait until the 12 week one.

shimmery - crumble?..you are making my mouth water ? have just eaten a packet of crisps and a picnic and am now routing around my desk for anything else tasty I can get my hands on. DTD for 7 days straight??wearing it down to a nub again I see?and booking SWI time off next month ? woman I like your style?..!!!!

Pie - sorry to hear that you were so upset at work how have things been today?

Think I managed to get everyone ? day is dripping slowly by here but home time soon so at least I have that to look forward to.

Take care all xxxxx

whatso welcome back! Shame work is so trying right now (you too, pie) all you can do is your best and hope that if you're honest with your managers they will do their jobs - which is to do the best by you.

I hope I'm not premature in saying it here, or that I jinx it, but I feel something is changing within me... First, my sex drive seems to have poked its head above the parapet - with a vengenge - these last couple of days! I just... want it all the time! And in addition to that, I was having trouble, uh, y'know... finishing I seem to be over that too. It's GOT to be my hormones straightening themselves out, surely? Along with EWCM today, more than I've seen in a good while (but not an over abundence) and I'm only CD10. Plus I've dropped a kilo in the last fews days doing nothing different so I'm calling hormones. Definitely. Maybe?

Seems about par for the course that DP and I have had quite a few conversations these last few days about whether we are going to do 'this'. I think, things have been so rotten, and DS2 has been so demanding (since birth!) that we both hanker after feeling 'normal' and wanting to do some stuff for US, to enjoy life a little bit. But I firmly believe if we 'postpone' we won't do it at all - we'll move forward and not want to go back (and I'm all too aware of my age with my 38th birthday approaching in Nov). We haven't come to a hard and fast decision yet but I think if it doesn't happen soon we'll stop.

This was all very different from my emotional wobbles I had the last couple of months. But who knows? Stay tuned, I could be singing a different song tomorrow!

pie and whatso - so sorry you're having work issues. Pie - your line manager should be taking better care of you. I hope you both feel better soon.

On the wieight loss front - has anyone heard of the insanity workout? And am I insane for considering it?

pie really hope things improve for you at work today. I was already crying in the toilets within an hour of returning to work after my holiday yesterday as I had a particularly harsh piece of feedback in my inbox I wasn't expecting. I feel your pain. Sending good work karma your way. And of course.

eve you are my WW inspiration, 3 stone is amazing. I have just over 2 stone to lose to get to my standard target weight (never quite made it in 15 years of slimming, but got close a few times).

Morning all.

Blue - well that all sounds very positive. just have to stay in your nice place for a bit longer. Fingers crossed the next 2 weeks go by quickly. Funny how we are all nearly insink with each other?

Whatso I am sure you don't need WW, but as you know I have been really successful with it. 3 stone now. It gives me something else to focus on other than ttc. I too hope I get bfp before I get to goal. Only 22lb to go so the race is now on. Although my mw friend advised me that so long as I get calcium there is no reason why I couldn't keep up the ww for the first 12 weeks or so.

Missg I hope you manage to get some action in. Can't imagine life with a teenager. Dreading it. I too am a fishing widow - but he does actually go fishing for hours in the cold and everything. Loon!!!

Summer - good to hear that you are keeping ok. Can't choose our family can we.

Baby - I too have had a lot of cramps that I have never had before. Just think it is our bodies getting back to what they have to do. I try to see it as a positive but I know how frustrating it is. Hang on in there.

Marathon - your MIL would drive me bonkers. We have the out laws visiting next week for 4 days because they have nothing better to do with their week off. Please don't let me end up like that. If I was them i would be off somewhere summy for a week. Hope you are keeping well.

Shimmery - fingers crossed for you that is a whole lot of dtd going on in your house. Jam sounds lovely you are by far a domestic godess.

Pie - hope today is a better day for you. I am a firm believer in work/life balance. Make sure it is working for you.

Cuttle - hope all is ok?

We had lovely day on the beach yesterday. Today is looking not so good so as ds request (not) we are going shopping and maybe soft play. ww tonight then off for curry as there is a new one opening down the road and I have to try it out. Can't imagiine why I never get to goal :-)

Hope evryone is ok.

pie keep your line manager informed, they really need to know if you are not coping. some are better than others but all you can do is tell them. hope you are having a chilled out evening xx

Hi! Will be back later to comment on the many threads I've missed, lots to catch up on but no time at work to reply properly cause it's utter crap! I actually burst into tears earlier infront of my line manager cause I can't cope with my workload (and as a consequence am stressing that stressing will stop me ovulating this month as am CD18 with lots of EWCM but no + OPK so have been getting the SWI in but would like to know when to stop!)

Anyway, I digress! Waves to all and will hopefully be back tonight !xx

I have just realised that I may come across as slightly obsessive. Which is entirely true of course...

whatso i can join you in the smug camp as DH has two sets of parents, my FIL and SMIL are the Daily Mail types (like my parents), however my MIL and SFIL are smugly wonderful, they were v supportive of my CP last week and are generally fabulous. The FIL and SMIL on the other hand.......

baby your mum does sound exactly like mine (i must apologise now to IQ and Blue and assure you that i dont hold the same views we cant choose our family..) my mum and dad always start a DM style rant debate with 'i am not racist but...' it is awful and i hate it, sadly we arent going to change their views but they now know that i dont agree with them. It was even as recently as the Norway shootings and the riots. shimmery my mum and MIL take the DM immensely seriously, my mother actually takes the piss out of me for being appalled by it! Again i apologise.

shimmery 8 days in a row! gasp!! well done you - you must be knackered! you are dedicated, booking time off next month for shagging!