Oh for the love of sweet baby jesus...come the f**k on.....

Fingers crossed Benign.
My cycle has been either 27 or 30 days for the past few months but today is day 32 and nothing...
Have done a couple of tests and they say BFN so am trying to convince myself that I'm late because I've got a cold/had a busy week etc. I really doubt I am pregnant but just maybe........?

So, I commence another 2WW. I've done the deed every day for days 9 to 14 (and I ov on day 13), so surely, surely I should at leat get another "wobble" in the old cycle? Please?

Is Monday too early in the week for wine??

Get your suspenders on girls!!

Ah a good chuckle on this Friday morning. Very amusing ladies. Although I can't be asked with suspenders. DH is more keen on getting everything off so have stopped forking out on such things.

Patient I know what you mean about this nice weather giving you a bit more of an impoteus to shag! Thank god!

JRS I agree - it's so bloody frustrating even when you are in the system. Everything seems to take a while. We have just been pushed out of the system after getting an explanation of unexplained infertility.....which means nothing! But we have decided to keep going and see what happens and then at the end of the year take a call.

I have given up on folic too - well I take them when I remember anyway.

Thank fook it's friday hey? I even had a gin to celebrate Thursday evening and certainly looking forward to another one this evening!

I hope it wasn't patronising or irritating. One thing I've learnt rapidly through this is how irritating well meaning advice can be! Someone once advised me to have sex around the time of ovulation. My nostrils are still flared in disbelief!

Griselda Thank you for your advice, indeed, very easy to be talked into believing you aren't worthy!!!

Suspenders........this will make you chuckle........

Recently a friend of mine in the throes of new passion got her suspender belt out, the object of her affections had limited enthusiasm........This suprised me so I asked some questions regarding age/ style etc..... apparently they still had a name tape in them......I suggested that this might be the problem, "really????" she said, genuinely suprised.......oh god I laughed..... And no, I don't know what the bloody hell she was doing in her suspender belt that required a name tape!!!

jrsandcoffee (what are jrs, by the way??), I found it quite helpful to think of the doctor appointments like a business meeting, with a really clear idea of what I wanted to happen as a result of them. It made me behave more professionally when I have been pushing for things and I feel like the doctor responded quite well to me.

Admittedly I haven't had to push too hard for anything yet, but I guess that will come once I get to the next stages. But it does mean I dont feel like I'm moaning when I'm pushing for things, which I think is quite important for my state of mind. Otherwise I could easily start believing that I wasn't entitled to any help. If that makes any sense.

I hide my folic acid when friends visit and then usually forget to get it out again for weeks at a time.

Has anyone else found that the sunny weather has given things a boost on the sex front? Over winter I was getting very (quietly) grumpy about having to engage in activities that let the cold air in under the covers, when all I wanted to do was cuddle down in my pyjamas and thermal bedsocks :o

I never remember to take the damn folic acid.

I'm not expectig enyone to give me any words of wisdom on this how do you get excited about having to do the do so often! I bought stockings and suspenders a few months ago which helped for a month at least

Hello ladies

Cherry and lissie hang in there, sounds soul destroying, I so admire your patience.

Ruthie and lanky I'm with you on the pub, have even started a sodding sweepstake!!!

Interesting re the advice to be agressive and keep pushing, I always don't want to feel like a moaning, whining pain in the ass so I smile and take whatever they give me......currently another two months of Clomid which will have to be take when my DH returns from four months away at the end of summer. By which time I'll be 37 and counting. And it will probably take another three months to even get an appointment on the NHS at which we'll probably be told some consoling rubbish and given a bit more Clomid and another swimmer test which will confirm again that things 'aint ideal but not catastrophic' and 'I've known plenty of couples concieve with far worse' etc. So a bit more time will pass and then I will be getting on for 38. And then they'll probably tell me I'm too old............ AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH, I can so see it, clear as day but my DH can't. And then I think Oh stuff it, mortgage the dog and buy some impractical horse with psycho tendancies because it's cheap enough to afford.... and then my sensible brain goes "oh but what if you get pregnant??" Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh, come the F**k ON!!!

So fed up I even forget to take the folic acid.......

Oh thank you for letting me rant!!

Cherry and lissie really bloody sorry to hear about all your mc's - I do not know how you girls do it. It must be so difficult. Hope you both get some answers about it soon ladies.

I am now officially onto month 18 and cycle 20 of TTC with not even 1 BFP to show for my efforts. It is shite - but now focussing on the potential of a bbq this weekend..... with lots of Wine. Am with you ruthie might be hot footing it to the pub to watch the grand national.

thanks, one thing Ive learnt is that you have to be pretty aggressive and keep pushing!

and

Good luck lissie, sounds like you are on the case. If I win the lottery in the mean time I will let you know.

cherry, i know what you mean. when i tell people that we've had several mc's they raise their brows and say "oh, i know this woman who..." it makes me feel like the exception to the rule. are you under a rmc cons?

BB, Ive seen 3 different consultants, but dh only works PT (he cares for me) so saving is pretty tough. I go back to shitty cons in may and have printed off a load of evidence to present to him to try to push him to try chicago testing.

Lissie I was thinking about you this morning. Can you get a second opinion or change hospitals to see a different consultant? I am frustrated that nothing is being done for you. Could you afford to open a savings account to put away a little bit each month to fund private investigations? Sorry if all this sounds patronising, I want something to be done for you.

I'm with LankyLegs. Would LOVE to be pregnant but as I'm not I'm going to try and focus on the positives of not having kiddliwinks, starting with spending Saturday afternoon in a pub garden (weather permitting!)!

Wine ahoy, then :)

(hoping that's not misjudged in any way)

its ok, theres just a point where you stop feeling optimistic.

Oh lissie that's horrible that you feel no one wants to hear your story. I wish I had some helpful advice on how to get the testing you want, but I am such a beginner at this long game stuff. Or that I could win the lottery and share it out to deserving ttc-ers for such things.

I lurk in the hut. its just a place where you can have no hope and not be upbeat about it. I feel that Im too long in the tooth for the other threads now, noone wants to hear my story because there isnt a happy ending!

BB, I still see my RMC cons, but he is shite. doesnt believe in immunology testing, despite my mc's always being preceded by a temp spike and illness. I did see a specialist privately but couldnt afford the testing, and the NHS list is too long.

We're a bunch of softies really (but don't tell anyone). Don't be scared to pile in if you fancy it, if we never had new people joining us it would be a lonely little thread which would have fizzled out ages ago. You've made an excellent start with the weightloss, that's really positive. I can have two more IUI's after this one and one shot of IVF hopefully. Overall the NHS have been bloody brilliant, you just need to keep yourself informed as to what is going on so you can keep on top of things and be involved with your own treatment.

Lissie that is beyond hurtful that a professional would say that to you. Are you seeing anyone about it at the moment?

PCOS on my part, but have made some progress on that front with weightloss and metformin, so at least I actually have cycles worth te name now (have gone from 180ish day cycles to 30-40ish). But still no sodding baby.

I'm really sorry to hear about your miscarriage(s?). What is next for you? How many more IUI sessions can you have?

I do occasionally lurk on BESH, being extremely evil and selfish, and apparently barren too. One day I will screw up my courage and say hello!

i will never forget going to see my cons after our 10th mc. we had been ttc for nearly 4y (iirc) and he suggested we go on holiday. I leaned forward and said in my most dangerous voice "we have lost 11 babies in 4y. we have had 7 holidays in that time including breaks in sil's caravan. ive had enough blood taken to satisfy a pack of vampires. every doctor in this bloody hospital could find their way out of my uterus with his eyes closed. Ive lost all of my dignity and hope and its still not happened, what else have you got?"