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Conception

When's the best time to get pregnant? Use our interactive ovulation calculator to work out when you're most fertile and most likely to conceive.

TTC a 2012 baby, this is our year !!!

987 replies

weimy · 24/03/2011 13:22

I am about to start cycle 5 and wondered if there were any fellow sex pests out there who wanted to join me in regular swi, not so regular poas and plenty of Wine, Biscuit, Brew and [chocolate emoticon].

OP posts:
Poppyjen · 05/05/2011 19:07

Obe I have had EWCM pretty much constantly since CD12 and FF says I only ovulated on CD29 - crazy crazy bodies. Honestly when you get sex education at school you are led to believe its all so simple, 28 day cycles and one look at a naked male and you'll be up the duff.... Confused

I second trope best to keep at it just in case Wink

wouldbemumandotherstuff · 05/05/2011 19:03

way to go trope! have fun! Wink

CD 31 and still no AF. tested when I got home this evening and another BFN. I'm beginning to think it is all a cruel joke. am resolved not to test again until Sat morning so fingers crossed the witch stays away! I had EWCM on CD10 to 12 and then again CD 16 and 17, so had guessed AF would be 30th, as my stats say, or could be 14 days from CD17, which would be 5th ie today - but either my body has other ideas (likely!), or, as a little part of me still hopes, perhaps there will be good news......

trope · 05/05/2011 18:30

aw obe - that sucks, but on the bright side, if there's a chance you haven't ovulated yet then get thee to bed! (With your DP, obviously, doesn't work so well alone I gather!) Wink

I have absolutely guaranteed that I shall get pregnant this month - I have booked my smear test for the week following when my next period is due! Sods law dictates that I shall now fall pregnant and have to cancel it!

DP is on his way home now and we have an incredibly exciting evening ahead of us; stir fry dinner, then up to the community centre to vote, then home for SWI! Got oodles of EWCM all of a sudden and crazy strong twangy ovulation pains so i'm thinking I might OV earlier this month (CD14 last month, am currently CD11). So whether DP has recovered from his, er, "illness", or not he is going to get naked and do what needs to be done tonight! Wink

weimy · 05/05/2011 16:00

Hi just shuffling list! Welcome Serendipity FX she stays away ghost and dreaming xx

Counting

Wouldbemumandotherstuff (32) TTC#1, cycle 4, ucl 26-39, AF due April 30th??
Liliana (31) TTC#1 Cycle 5 ucl 28 (ish) AF due 1st May
MollyDefoe (31) TTC#1, Cycle 2 UCL 31-34 days, AF due 1st May
Naynay80(30)ttc baby 2 circle 2 ucl28 days AF due 3rd ma
Dreamingofabump (28) TTC#1 Cycle1 ucl27days Af due 5th May
Eurochick (35) ttc#1 Cycle 5, UCL 25-30 days, AF due 5/6 May(ish)
Woody17 TTC#1 UCL36days AF due 7th May
Ghosteditor (27) ttc#1 cycle 4 ucl 26-28 days due 7th May
Emmaloupolman (28) ttc#2 cycle 20 28 - 35 day due 7th may
Tanif (25) TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL 30 days AF due 8th May
Orangehead (33) TTC#3 cycle 4 UCL 25-27 AF DUE 10th May
Fr00tbat TTC#1, Cycle ? ucl 31-38 due 12th May.
Poppyjen (29) TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL ? AF due 17th May
Whitegold (26) ttc#1 cycle3 ucl 30days AF due 19th May
Carlitawantsababy (29) TTC#1 cycle 1 UCL 30 days AF due 19th May
UtterlyMonkey (34), TTC#1, cycle 2 UCL 31-32 days, still BD - now on alternate days; AF due 15 or 22 May? I think?
Toddle (20) ttc#1 cycle 4 ucl 24days AF due 22nd May
Trope, (32) ttc#1 cycle2 ucl 23-27 days AF due circa 22nd May
Peapop (29) TTC #1 cycle 2 UCL 28-35? AF due 24-31 May?
Levana (31) TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL 30days AF 25th May
OBeSomeOtherName (23) TTC#2 Cycle2 UCL 38days AF due 26th May
BraveGirl (37) TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL 28 daysish AF due 28th May
Wgm72 (34) TTC#3 cyle 3 ucl 30days AF due 1st June
BoogiesBunny (28) TTC#1 cycle2 UCL30days AF due 2nd June
Gonerogue TTC#2 Cycle1 UCL-28days AFdue-?
Shobbs 24, TTC 1, 33DY cycle,

Not Counting
Summerbird73 TTC#2 Awaiting next AF after recent MC - will then update MorningCoffee (29) TTC#3 cycle 1 UCL 28 days - awaiting AF after stopping pill
Weimy TTC1 (35)

MIA
JustShaggingForNow (28) TTC#1, Cycle -1 UCL 29/30 days, AF due 15th April
EsmeWeatherwax (39) ttc #3, cycle 1, ucl 31 days, AF due 19th April.
TreacleChops TTC#1 cycle 2 UCL god knows! estimated AF 20th April (ish- will be able to up date stats once i've noticed Luteal phase)
MickyLee TTC#3 Cycle2 UCL-28days AFdue-22nd April
BabysadeTTC#1 cycle 4,UCL 31-33 days, AF is due 24th april (ish).
Kittycat(25) TTC#3, cycle 1, UCL ?, AF due 24h April
75sarah (35) ttc#1 cycle 3 UCL 28 days AF dues 27th April
Byrnsie30 (30) TTC #1, AF due 28th April

Recent Graduates
Poulette
D0gface

OP posts:
ghosteditor · 05/05/2011 15:32

well done D0gface! and welcome serendipity

I'm currently having a mini strop at work because I feel all crampy so AF must be on its way. Grr...

Maybe it'll hold out long enough that I can still test in the morning, therefore bringing about the test = AF evil association.

Hmm
OBeSomeOtherName · 05/05/2011 14:56

It's official, FF doesn't have a bloody clue what's going on with me! It's now saying my predicted OV date was on the 1st May but I'm still fertile because I'm still getting EWCM and my temp hasn't risen (apart from the odd spike because I'm crap at temping) consistently - it actually dropped today Confused stupidbrokenbody!

serendipity16 · 05/05/2011 14:56

Can i join you ladies.

First month trying since having my baby in November.
Got a BFN yesterday & today & cramping so know im out this month.
May take me a while as i only have 1 tube due to an ectopic.

d0gFace · 05/05/2011 12:42

I forgot to actually change the list days ago Blush

Poppyjen · 05/05/2011 12:37

Grin D0gface!

d0gFace · 05/05/2011 12:35

Counting

Liliana (31) TTC#1 Cycle 5 ucl 28 (ish) AF due 1st May
MollyDefoe (31) TTC#1, Cycle 2 UCL 31-34 days, AF due 1st May
Naynay80(30)ttc baby 2 circle 2 ucl28 days AF due 3rd ma
Dreamingofabump (28) TTC#1 Cycle1 ucl27days Af due 5th May
Eurochick (35) ttc#1 Cycle 5, UCL 25-30 days, AF due 5/6 May(ish)
Woody17 TTC#1 UCL36days AF due 7th May
Ghosteditor (27) ttc#1 cycle 4 ucl 26-28 days due 7th May
Emmaloupolman (28) ttc#2 cycle 20 28 - 35 day due 7th may
Tanif (25) TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL 30 days AF due 8th May
Orangehead (33) TTC#3 cycle 4 UCL 25-27 AF DUE 10th May
Fr00tbat TTC#1, Cycle ? ucl 31-38 due 12th May.
Poppyjen (29) TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL ? AF due 17th May
Whitegold (26) ttc#1 cycle3 ucl 30days AF due 19th May
Carlitawantsababy (29) TTC#1 cycle 1 UCL 30 days AF due 19th May
UtterlyMonkey (34), TTC#1, cycle 2 UCL 31-32 days, still BD - now on alternate days; AF due 15 or 22 May? I think?
Toddle (20) ttc#1 cycle 4 ucl 24days AF due 22nd May
Trope, (32) ttc#1 cycle2 ucl 23-27 days AF due circa 22nd May
Peapop (29) TTC #1 cycle 2 UCL 28-35? AF due 24-31 May?
Levana (31) TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL 30days AF 25th May
OBeSomeOtherName (23) TTC#2 Cycle2 UCL 38days AF due 26th May
BraveGirl (37) TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL 28 daysish AF due 28th May
Wgm72 (34) TTC#3 cyle 3 ucl 30days AF due 1st June
BoogiesBunny (28) TTC#1 cycle2 UCL30days AF due 2nd June
Gonerogue TTC#2 Cycle1 UCL-28days AFdue-?
Shobbs 24, TTC 1, 33DY cycle,

Not Counting
Summerbird73 TTC#2 Awaiting next AF after recent MC - will then update MorningCoffee (29) TTC#3 cycle 1 UCL 28 days - awaiting AF after stopping pill
Weimy TTC1 (35)

MIA
JustShaggingForNow (28) TTC#1, Cycle -1 UCL 29/30 days, AF due 15th April
EsmeWeatherwax (39) ttc #3, cycle 1, ucl 31 days, AF due 19th April.
TreacleChops TTC#1 cycle 2 UCL god knows! estimated AF 20th April (ish- will be able to up date stats once i've noticed Luteal phase)
MickyLee TTC#3 Cycle2 UCL-28days AFdue-22nd April
BabysadeTTC#1 cycle 4,UCL 31-33 days, AF is due 24th april (ish).
Kittycat(25) TTC#3, cycle 1, UCL ?, AF due 24h April
75sarah (35) ttc#1 cycle 3 UCL 28 days AF dues 27th April
Byrnsie30 (30) TTC #1, AF due 28th April
Wouldbemumandotherstuff (32) TTC#1, cycle 4, ucl 26-39, AF due April 30th??

Recent Graduates
Poulette
D0gface

ghosteditor · 05/05/2011 11:41

hello ladies! I've been out of the country for a bit but am back in the UK now, and at CD25 I'm doing the usual obsessed-face thing. This time around DH and I were in the same place for almost a whole month and even managed a whole load of SWI at approximately the right time! Naturally, I am convinced that this one will be it.

I'm going away with the girls this weekend so I'm considering testing in the morning - I'm not a heavy drinker but I do like a few glasses over the weekend, and would want to reconsider if indeed up the spout. Tomorrow is CD 26 and UCL is 26-28 days.

I spent last weekend with friends who have a beautiful 1 year old so am especially broody right now! Also, April was the month that DH and I had originally planned to start TTC, so I'm hoping that everything will just fall into place.

Keeping fx for everyone too!

DreamingOfABump · 05/05/2011 10:10

dum deed dum no af yet. normally spotting on cd27 and af on 28. day 28 and nothing yet, just clear cm. fingers crossed!

Poppyjen · 05/05/2011 08:15

Hi ladies, wouldbe I feel your pain, long variable cycles just add to the insanity don't they Confused

Well today I finally got the red cross on fertility friend giving ovulation date of 2nd May (CD29 Shock ) so I guess I am starting another 2ww! I will change my stats (using Weimy's very lovely neat and tidy new lists Smile )

Because of being away with in laws/ grandparents etc over the bank holidays we didn't get chance to do much SWI unfortunately, but did manage to DTD on ovulation day more by luck than judgement so who knows...only another 11 days to go then....

Counting

Liliana (31) TTC#1 Cycle 5 ucl 28 (ish) AF due 1st May
MollyDefoe (31) TTC#1, Cycle 2 UCL 31-34 days, AF due 1st May
Naynay80(30)ttc baby 2 circle 2 ucl28 days AF due 3rd ma
Dreamingofabump (28) TTC#1 Cycle1 ucl27days Af due 5th May
Eurochick (35) ttc#1 Cycle 5, UCL 25-30 days, AF due 5/6 May(ish)
Woody17 TTC#1 UCL36days AF due 7th May
Ghosteditor (27) ttc#1 cycle 4 ucl 26-28 days due 7th May
Emmaloupolman (28) ttc#2 cycle 20 28 - 35 day due 7th may
Tanif (25) TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL 30 days AF due 8th May
Orangehead (33) TTC#3 cycle 4 UCL 25-27 AF DUE 10th May
Fr00tbat TTC#1, Cycle ? ucl 31-38 due 12th May.
Poppyjen (29) TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL ? AF due 17th May
Whitegold (26) ttc#1 cycle3 ucl 30days AF due 19th May
Carlitawantsababy (29) TTC#1 cycle 1 UCL 30 days AF due 19th May
UtterlyMonkey (34), TTC#1, cycle 2 UCL 31-32 days, still BD - now on alternate days; AF due 15 or 22 May? I think?
Toddle (20) ttc#1 cycle 4 ucl 24days AF due 22nd May
Trope, (32) ttc#1 cycle2 ucl 23-27 days AF due circa 22nd May
Peapop (29) TTC #1 cycle 2 UCL 28-35? AF due 24-31 May?
Levana (31) TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL 30days AF 25th May
OBeSomeOtherName (23) TTC#2 Cycle2 UCL 38days AF due 26th May
BraveGirl (37) TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL 28 daysish AF due 28th May
Wgm72 (34) TTC#3 cyle 3 ucl 30days AF due 1st June
BoogiesBunny (28) TTC#1 cycle2 UCL30days AF due 2nd June
Gonerogue TTC#2 Cycle1 UCL-28days AFdue-?
Shobbs 24, TTC 1, 33DY cycle,

Not Counting
Summerbird73 TTC#2 Awaiting next AF after recent MC - will then update MorningCoffee (29) TTC#3 cycle 1 UCL 28 days - awaiting AF after stopping pill
D0gface(24)ttc#1 Had an early mc late last month, so not sure when af will arrive
Weimy TTC1 (35)

MIA
JustShaggingForNow (28) TTC#1, Cycle -1 UCL 29/30 days, AF due 15th April
EsmeWeatherwax (39) ttc #3, cycle 1, ucl 31 days, AF due 19th April.
TreacleChops TTC#1 cycle 2 UCL god knows! estimated AF 20th April (ish- will be able to up date stats once i've noticed Luteal phase)
MickyLee TTC#3 Cycle2 UCL-28days AFdue-22nd April
BabysadeTTC#1 cycle 4,UCL 31-33 days, AF is due 24th april (ish).
Kittycat(25) TTC#3, cycle 1, UCL ?, AF due 24h April
75sarah (35) ttc#1 cycle 3 UCL 28 days AF dues 27th April
Byrnsie30 (30) TTC #1, AF due 28th April
Wouldbemumandotherstuff (32) TTC#1, cycle 4, ucl 26-39, AF due April 30th??

Recent Graduates
Poulette

wouldbemumandotherstuff · 04/05/2011 23:18

hello all and sorry for total radio silence! congrats to those with BFPs!!

had basically written this month off as combination of DH's travel, illness and relatives visiting has meant very little SWI this month, and then I seemed to have EWCM twice which makes little sense Confused. I came off the pill about 15 months ago, and my cycle is still very variable, so last month was only 26 days, but I have had a 39 day, and so today is CD30, and no AF yet, so I am trying not to get my hopes up as it is probably just going for a new personal best of 41 or something really annoying! POASed yesterday evening as I couldn't bear it any longer and a BFN, but still no AF. may crack and POAS again tomorrow, but will try to hold out til Fri or Sat.

Have been keeping up with the posts, and it is so great to know you guys are here and understand the madness! Grin I don't write much, but I like being on this bus (though liked the Orient Express idea too..!)

eurochick · 04/05/2011 22:39

Missing in action....

DreamingOfABump · 04/05/2011 22:26

what is MiA?

OBeSomeOtherName · 04/05/2011 21:49

Three cheers for Weimy! Thank you! we're sooo the best coach in town Grin

weimy · 04/05/2011 21:45

Hi just organised columns please update and shuffle if I have put you in the wrong place or if you know about BFPs I've missed xxxxxx

Counting

Liliana (31) TTC#1 Cycle 5 ucl 28 (ish) AF due 1st May
MollyDefoe (31) TTC#1, Cycle 2 UCL 31-34 days, AF due 1st May
Poppyjen (29) TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL ? AF due 2nd May (ish)
Naynay80(30)ttc baby 2 circle 2 ucl28 days AF due 3rd may
Dreamingofabump (28) TTC#1 Cycle1 ucl27days Af due 5th May
Eurochick (35) ttc#1 Cycle 5, UCL 25-30 days, AF due 5/6 May(ish)
Woody17 TTC#1 UCL36days AF due 7th May
Ghosteditor (27) ttc#1 cycle 4 ucl 26-28 days due 7th May
Emmaloupolman (28) ttc#2 cycle 20 28 - 35 day due 7th may
Tanif (25) TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL 30 days AF due 8th May
Orangehead (33) TTC#3 cycle 4 UCL 25-27 AF DUE 10th May
Fr00tbat TTC#1, Cycle ? ucl 31-38 due 12th May.
Whitegold (26) ttc#1 cycle3 ucl 30days AF due 19th May
Carlitawantsababy (29) TTC#1 cycle 1 UCL 30 days AF due 19th May
UtterlyMonkey (34), TTC#1, cycle 2 UCL 31-32 days, still BD - now on alternate days; AF due 15 or 22 May? I think?
Toddle (20) ttc#1 cycle 4 ucl 24days AF due 22nd May
Trope, (32) ttc#1 cycle2 ucl 23-27 days AF due circa 22nd May
Peapop (29) TTC #1 cycle 2 UCL 28-35? AF due 24-31 May?
Levana (31) TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL 30days AF 25th May
OBeSomeOtherName (23) TTC#2 Cycle2 UCL 38days AF due 26th May
BraveGirl (37) TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL 28 daysish AF due 28th May
Wgm72 (34) TTC#3 cyle 3 ucl 30days AF due 1st June
BoogiesBunny (28) TTC#1 cycle2 UCL30days AF due 2nd June
Gonerogue TTC#2 Cycle1 UCL-28days AFdue-?
Shobbs 24, TTC 1, 33DY cycle,

Not Counting
Summerbird73 TTC#2 Awaiting next AF after recent MC - will then update MorningCoffee (29) TTC#3 cycle 1 UCL 28 days - awaiting AF after stopping pill
D0gface(24)ttc#1 Had an early mc late last month, so not sure when af will arrive
Weimy TTC1 (35)

MIA
JustShaggingForNow (28) TTC#1, Cycle -1 UCL 29/30 days, AF due 15th April
EsmeWeatherwax (39) ttc #3, cycle 1, ucl 31 days, AF due 19th April.
TreacleChops TTC#1 cycle 2 UCL god knows! estimated AF 20th April (ish- will be able to up date stats once i've noticed Luteal phase)
MickyLee TTC#3 Cycle2 UCL-28days AFdue-22nd April
BabysadeTTC#1 cycle 4,UCL 31-33 days, AF is due 24th april (ish).
Kittycat(25) TTC#3, cycle 1, UCL ?, AF due 24h April
75sarah (35) ttc#1 cycle 3 UCL 28 days AF dues 27th April
Byrnsie30 (30) TTC #1, AF due 28th April
Wouldbemumandotherstuff (32) TTC#1, cycle 4, ucl 26-39, AF due April 30th??

Recent Graduates
Poulette

OP posts:
OBeSomeOtherName · 04/05/2011 21:42

Haha Trope major fail! I on the other hand didn't even make an attempt to pounce, as suspected I fell into bed at stupid o'clock this morning after an undisclosed amount of wine Grin
You've definately redeemed yourself with the gingerbread biscuits though

weimy the lists sound exciting! (yes I'm one of them sorts who love lists)

emmaloupolman · 04/05/2011 21:19

Will your doctor not give you clomid?
Its been ok i get bad head aches when i'm taking the tablets Sad
I am also getting married in June Smile

Poppyjen · 04/05/2011 21:10

emmalou - yes just spotted it Smile Its good that your GP is being supportive, although it must have been awful having to wait for a year before you got any real help! How are you getting on with Clomid?

I think I am going to try some natural supplements, maybe Agnus Castus and we'll see what happens.

trope · 04/05/2011 21:07

yay for weimy doing the lists!

I've got gingerbread biscuits here if anyone wants one! Home made, no less!

Last nights attempts at SWI seduction failed rather miserably as I accidentally poisoned DP with an undercooked sausage roll. My domestic goddess halo is definitely a tad wonky now... but the biscuits are fine, honest!

BraveGirl · 04/05/2011 20:53

Think I got missed on an update somewhere...so...
Poulette ttc1, cycle 2, UCL 28?days, BFP
JustShaggingForNow (28) TTC#1, Cycle -1 UCL 29/30 days, AF due 15th April
EsmeWeatherwax (39) ttc #3, cycle 1, ucl 31 days, AF due 19th April.
TreacleChops TTC#1 cycle 2 UCL god knows! estimated AF 20th April (ish- will be able to up date stats once i've noticed Luteal phase)
MickyLee TTC#3 Cycle2 UCL-28days AFdue-22nd April
BabysadeTTC#1 cycle 4,UCL 31-33 days, AF is due 24th april (ish).
Kittycat(25) TTC#3, cycle 1, UCL ?, AF due 24h April
75sarah (35) ttc#1 cycle 3 UCL 28 days AF dues 27th April
Byrnsie30 (30) TTC #1, AF due 28th April
Wouldbemumandotherstuff (32) TTC#1, cycle 4, ucl 26-39, AF due April 30th??
Liliana (31) TTC#1 Cycle 5 ucl 28 (ish) AF due 1st May
MollyDefoe (31) TTC#1, Cycle 2 UCL 31-34 days, AF due 1st May
Poppyjen (29) TTC#2 Cycle 2 UCL ? AF due 2nd May (ish)
Naynay80(30)ttc baby 2 circle 2 ucl28 days AF due 3rd may
Dreamingofabump (28) TTC#1 Cycle1 ucl27days Af due 5th May
Eurochick (35) ttc#1 Cycle 5, UCL 25-30 days, AF due 5/6 May(ish)
Woody17 TTC#1 UCL36days AF due 7th May
Ghosteditor (27) ttc#1 cycle 4 ucl 26-28 days due 7th May
Emmaloupolman (28) ttc#2 cycle 20 28 - 35 day due 7th may
Tanif (25) TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL 30 days AF due 8th May
Orangehead (33) TTC#3 cycle 4 UCL 25-27 AF DUE 10th May
Fr00tbat TTC#1, Cycle ? ucl 31-38 due 12th May.
Whitegold (26) ttc#1 cycle3 ucl 30days AF due 19th May
Carlitawantsababy (29) TTC#1 cycle 1 UCL 30 days AF due 19th May
UtterlyMonkey (34), TTC#1, cycle 2 UCL 31-32 days, still BD - now on alternate days; AF due 15 or 22 May? I think?
Toddle (20) ttc#1 cycle 4 ucl 24days AF due 22nd May
Trope, (32) ttc#1 cycle2 ucl 23-27 days AF due circa 22nd May
Peapop (29) TTC #1 cycle 2 UCL 28-35? AF due 24-31 May?
Levana (31) TTC#1 Cycle 3 UCL 30days AF 25th May
OBeSomeOtherName (23) TTC#2 Cycle2 UCL 38days AF due 26th May
BraveGirl (37) TTC#2 Cycle 1 UCL 28 daysish AF due 28th May
Wgm72 (34) TTC#3 cyle 3 ucl 30days AF due 1st June
BoogiesBunny (28) TTC#1 cycle2 UCL30days AF due 2nd June
Summerbird73 TTC#2 Awaiting next AF after recent MC - will then update stats
Gonerogue TTC#2 Cycle1 UCL-28days AFdue-?
D0gface(24)ttc#1 Had an early mc late last month, so not sure when af will arrive
Shobbs 24, TTC 1, 33DY cycle,
MorningCoffee (29) TTC#3 cycle 1 UCL 28 days - awaiting AF after stopping pill

Have to say I'm very intruiged by some of your devotion to conception and the level of study and planning effort going into some of your attempts...I'm starting to think I'm not trying hard enough. I have no idea about luteal phases!

emmaloupolman · 04/05/2011 20:38

poppyjen did u c my last post

Poppyjen · 04/05/2011 20:26

Hi ladies still no news from me, BFN this morning and now on CD 31. Temps have been rising the past couple of days so outside chance that I ovulated really late (i.e. CD 29 Shock ) but otherwise still thoroughly fed up with not knowing what's going on.

Just ordered some more internet cheapies, I know they aren't the best things to use and definitely promote POAS obsession but as I have no idea of my cycle length I guess I am just going to have to POAS every week or so to make sure.....

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