Freak out room for those newly updiffed after MC to hold hands and support each other...

Wow I love you ladies, until recently I thought all MN-etters were like you but now I realise just how lovely you are. Well put you too, you are much more articulate than the pink rage monster! I'm over it though-the rage monster has gone away to digest its delicious roast lamb dinner and ifthey want to complain about this time in their life, that's their problem. Im not so naive to think this is going to be a walk in the park but i fully intend to use this as an exercise in trying to see silver linings and not complaining about niggly stuff. Actually that's another thing the MC taught me-I read in a chinese medicine book that complaining gets you stuck in a rut and blocks your energy-hippy dippy stuff I know but I really found that when I stopped whinging and tried to find the bright side of things I felt a lot better, and before the MC I was quite a whingy person.

velvet I quite like a selection from digestive biscuits, orange juice, tinned pears, grapes and yogurts when I'm feeling Bleugh. There's a mini supermarket round the corner from work and in the mornings I wander around the shop looking at each item, and if it doesn't make me want to puke on it, I buy it, stash it in my drawer at work and pick at it as and when. Don't know anything about fanjo twinges though!!

Go velvet and mummyA - now feeling like a complete wus to have not commented!! That woman was just plain mean! And double yeah re symptoms MummyA.

I keep popping over to the grads thread and hoping to see my name at the top of their list and then to look down at my belly and realise I am actually 35 weeks pregnant rather than 5 (+4)! Can't believe how much I want it to be the case!!!

Noted and will do nickstermum. Apologies

Inbetweener, from any of you??? Please exclude me from that comment thanks :)

Waggles haddock! Why on earth are you reading about I hate pregnancy when it's something you so close to your heart? Step away from them ! People post on there for discussion debate and argument in most cases.

Also it's an assumption that everyone on there has had an easy ride. Not everyone who has had the worst time conceiving loves being pregnant.

Like the bump rubbing thing. Others may very well have struggled for much longer than you or had a more turbulent ride, you dont know, bump rubbing is a natural reflex!

I hate listening to people moan about pg, but... People do! Don't take it personally and perhaps ignore it?

I am not particularly a fan of being pg, it is a means to an end to get the one thing I want the most in the world, I dont moan about it

Sorry I am probably breaking protocol by transfering issues from another thread ( although you appear to be doing that anyway ) but how can you say that the people on the " I hate pregnancy thread " are being mean when you have referred to them on this thread as " selfish, ungrateful cows "

Im not sure thats terribly productive either.

those people have explained that they want their babies just as much as you want yours and have explained over and over that its just as this moment in time that they are fed up/feel rough etc.

I shall be interested so see how you feel in the run up to week 40 and shall expect not a murmer of discontent from any of you clearly !!

Yours was very well put Velvet I'm feeling OK, I'm "enjoying" pregnancy symptoms tired, little bit queasy, and it feels like I can feel my boobs growing. No more bleeding so thats good.

tunnocks I had two pantyliners worth of blood + some stringy clots over a three hour period 2 days ago. Got my HCG bloods done afterwards and all is fine.

lol mummya I couldnt resist posting in there just now too! How are you feeling today?

tunnocks how are you? I had an mmc so have no idea about quantities of blood but only 3 pant liners is a small amount - I was filling them up with brown goo last week!

Those people are mean!! Pink and TT cant believe how rude they were to you, I just typed a piece of my mind because I was so on your behalf I think I just learned a really valuable lesson - that no matter how tired and fed up I get I am really going to try not to take it out on innocent bystanders - I dont want to end up like those people!

Tunnocks thinking of you, hope you are OK.

Anyone seen coconuts in here recently? - how are you feeling now?

... and I went back to a negative a day after I finished bleeding (first time I tried testing)

Oooo how sad - am having symptom envy velvet ! I lived on ham sandwiches on white bread for number 1 and steaks for number 2! Fizzy drinks (which I normally don't like much) were in hot demand. This time it seems to be vegemite on toast. I keep thinking I am having what feels like milk let down so possibly your ducts are tuning up!

Pink TTC brave attempt but ultimately pointless I feel - I think it is all about the bigger picture. I love being pregnant as I feel incredibly special and connected to the amazingness of my body to create something out of nothing. I think it is a real shame men don't get to do this, as we get 9 months to get to know every hiccup and every wiggle and when they come out it is like 'Oh there you are ...' Poor guys have to start with a 9 month lag. I am not a fan of the added bonuses of ms, cramps, needing a forklift to turn over at night etc. etc. but even then it is like running a marathon - it hurts like hell but boy what a feeling when you cross the finish line (not that I would know anything about that - does a 5k run count!) and it just wouldn't be so special if it didn't take a bit of effort and self-sacrifice. I think it is the blank statements of 'I hate being pregnant' which gets up my nose rather than any of the complaints and as I think you bravely tried to point out - complain away - but just remember the bigger picture.

Tunnocks pantliners rather than pads sounds like you have reason to be hopeful. When I had my CP in December, which was earlier than you are now, it was (TMI) dark, thick and copious - really gross. It lasted for a good 5 days and there was no doubt about what was happening. fx bean is hanging on tight!!

am at your attempts to get through to the idiots on that thread! It is the fact that they have put 'hate' in their thread title that annoys me.

Rage monster seems to be asleep this morning - maybe thats because both DH and BIL were out all night and still havent returned so its just me and the dog :)

I'm starting to get a bit queasy in the mornings and my appetite is on and off - I'm really hungry this morning but I feel sick and I can't actually think of any food that I fancy eating. I'm off of tea and everything smells funny (I went off on one yesterday about how the house stinks as DH quickly escaped to football). What do you guys eat when you really dont want to?

I'm almost out of my bras already and I'm sure my nipples are leaking something as I have white flakey bits - is this even possible so early??

I didnt even test til I was 7 weeks last time so can't possibly have had all of these symptoms - either that or I was completely oblivious to everything!

Oh, one last thing - I have some twinges which I know are normal but some of them go right down my fanjo (still love that word!) - is this normal too??

Pink I swore after the mc I would never whinge about any unpleasant pg symptoms. Fair enough I haven't had the full-on version of morning sickness (and I've seen people hospitalized with that so fair enough) but like you lot it's generally been happiness at feeling queasy/bloaty/grotty/hormonal etc.

I think they'll just never understand what it's like; we can't expect them to because I know full well that I was equally idiotic/optimistic before the mc. You just can't get that state of mind back (lobotomy, anyone?).

Add to that the unfortunate fact that people are far more likely to behave like arseholes on the internet than in RL and, well, Tony is right, best not to go near them. I also avoid the 'omg am i pregnant???' ones as they fill me with (non-hormonal) rage. :)

Hugs to teacake and moo

velvet ask away - this is exactly what this thread is for. The dafter the better :)

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I'm not bothering with that thread any more I know enough moaning idiots delightful pregnant women in RL to hear similar things if I so desire. No need to seek out internet versions.

I am in a middle of a fight with my HR in Poland about their failure to produce a correct letter for me. Does that count as rage? One of the better lines in my response to their response to my complaint was that they had used the facts of complaint 1 to answer their entry about complaint 2. Did I need to raise a new complaint for poor accuracy?

I think we're both at the same stage and the hormones are going strong. Haven't burst into tears yet though. I get slightly worried when I'm not sufficiently hormonal as feel that may be a sign it's all gone away.

I'm not bothering with that thread any more I know enough moaning idiots delightful pregnant women in RL to hear similar things if I so desire. No need to seek out internet versions.

MN is like that. The conception and miscarriage boards do seem to be very supportive as is the multiples on the one time I've posted. I've tended to go more for childbirth than pregnancy board as there are a few people who regularly post round there who are quite sensible.

Jeez sorry TTT you shouldn't have got involved-I think I've officially discovered the most vile spiteful corner of MN yet. I am going to retreat back to just this thread and hope like hell a) pregnancy doesn't make me that mean and b) I never encounter people like that in real life....

I'M WAITING TO BE ASKED TO GIVE UP MY SEAT TOO!!!! I Sooo want to be asked, I can't wait!!!

Are you a double diffed version of me??? Do you have bump rubbing rage too???

Ooh TTT we're almost exactly the same way along-I'm 10 weeks on Monday! FWIW I think hypnotherapy is fab-I got a couple of CDs off the Internet and I find them really helpful. MIL is a hypnotherapist and says it still works even if you fall asleep-bonus!! I really hope you don't get flamed on the other thread-they are quite ranty over there!! I think you hit the nail onthe head, it's the word "hate" that has been grating....

It's crazy-I only discovered MN during the MC and came across nothing but lovely, supportive women who are incredibly kind to each other. I've since discovered that there are many dark corners here too though, and some really spiteful trolls!! For example, there is a hilarious thread by a woman who thinks it's funny that she's growing a willy as she's pregnant with DS. 90% of people think it's funny, the other 10% are unbelievably harsh and pointlessly mean. I don't get it!! I have to wonder if MN makes them brave or if they are that vile in real life too.

Ok pink I give up. It's not worth it. They're not helping my still strong antipathy to anyone pregnant . I'm still waiting for someone pg to ask me to give up a seat on the tube (TTT rubs hands at thoughts of response, while sincerely hoping won't have to put planned response into action)

Oh teacake that does sound reassuring. When I was bleeding (lots and lots) back in October lots of people posted about red/pink/clotty bleeds that turned out fine. I really hope that's the case for you xxx

Hi Pink - I've found it and supported you. I doubt it will do much good. I have to say I never go anywhere near the GD threads (no offence to anyone here who may get it) as compared with type 1 diabetes I find it such a simple thing to deal with and have no patience for people saying "I can't have mars bars life is so unfair!". FFS I can't have most of the food I like or crave but I live with it because there's no other option, if I want a chance at a healthy baby. At least GD is just for pregnancy. Type 1 is for life. Rant over. It's a bit like someone being hospitalised for pregnancy sickness and on a drip being complained to by someone else about how they feel a little queasy and don't quite fancy a full fry up.

I'll be 10 weeks on tues. I'm still feeling quite tired and that's my main symptom. Little bump as well but I'm not putting any emphasis on that as had that the last time - sac kept on growing when baby died. Queasiness appears to have gone away. I'm moving house on weds as well so a little stressed about that.

Thanks for your comments on the scan. That was my theory but I would have liked one more just for reassurance. However, I don't have time to go haunting the EPU and persuading them to give me reassurance scans. I just need to practice zen calm. I did suggest to dh that I should try hypnotherapy to increase calm, particularly as I was getting worked up about the idea of having another c-sec. He thought I was doing quite well and should leave it for a while. (Plus I don't think he really believes in it and thinks I just slept through all the sessions because I was tired )

Waves to teacake.

TTT you really are the best-I just read your lovely, articulate post.

tunnocks hmmm i don't have any experience of this but I'm sure some ofthe others do-if it's just pant liners it sounds hopeful to me. I can imagine how exhausting the hope/despair cycle is. I really would try to go to gp and convince him to do you some blood tests-you'd know within a few days definitively how things are.

Waves to mrs pretty how are you doing without the roids?

TTT mwah you are the best. I don't want the little tygers stressed out though, and none of the women seem to get it anyway so I think it's a waste of your time, but it's on the 'discussions of the day' list under 'sick and tired of being pregnant' or on the pregnancy topics under 'hate being pregnant'. I was potentially a lettttle bit harsh with them but find it incredible you find these posts just a couple of clicks away from the doom on the conceptions boards. TBH they seem to all agree that RL complaining isn't on, but complaining here is. Maybe it is-my state of mind isn't v stable right now!!

Hugs on the worrying theyre not there front-I find scans help but the zen they give me evaporates within about a day and then I start worrying again!!! I'm trying to chant "no news is good news" over and over in my head but it's hard to convince myself as we all know that's not necessarily the case..... how are your symptoms going? Are you about 9 weeks now?