Feisty Fabulous Forty somethings - part 2

WOW! how things move on while you have a few busy days hello Mitzi three cheers to you for being fantastically brave and sticking with it I can only guess at what you have been through heres to a lucky egg for you soon. I too found temping bent me out of shape mentally but for what its worth my temp was lower the earlier I took it too ...in fact it would vary within a few mins of waking up when I tried taking it multiple times

BB we are heading off skiing with the kids next week but Vietnam the sun and the warmth would be amazing enjoy enjoy and give yourself a conception holiday ...
Hippy is that selling thing to do with Aloe Vera cos I had it sold to me by selling lady person and she looked fabulous on it ....but it was horrible and I couldn't choke it down every day so sadly remained a non glossy manky person ......I think you would have to be very committed, this lady even claimed she had her kids drinking the berry flavoured muck every morning "Bleuuuch!" looking back I don't think I belive it, even my dog wouldn't have eaten it and he likes horse poo ....
lol I too had the brown slime thing after mc I hope it settles down to the nornal AF sooner rather than later... oh and never google health stuff both my DC have had hospital issues in the last month ( broken hand and double vision ) and both when googled have brought up horrible potential conditions...both are fine
Deige Lou and Brinjal keep the good news coming nothing better than having people proving the gruesome stats wrong, hope you are all blooming soon
Tina099 all things crossed for you
nothing happening here I am CDsomething and trying to relax ( but have bought some smiley face whatsits cos they sounded lovely ...yes I am a marketing dream and obviously not as relaxed as I think) ...have taken up swimming every day and feel much better about things in general. Also, I read in the paper the other day that if you walk 45 mins a day 5 days a week you will lose 18 pounds in a year. The dog finished being a puppy and has needed a 1 hour walk every day for about a year now. On the basis I am not even 1lb lighter yet, in the next few days I should suddenly become Claudia Schiffer but not blond or as pretty ....what do you think my chances are ?
love to everybody else and best luck too you whatever stage you are at

brinjal - congrats. How funny that you've been reading all our mad ramblings for so long. Fingers crossed that all is good at the scan.

BB sorry to hear about the other losses. I had no idea (I think I sounded like I was doubting you and that was not my intention at all - I was just surprised as I thought your last loss was in that dreaded month of Feb 2010 - when loads of people had bad news) Hope you see what I mean [paranoid hippy face]

mitzi I had 2 weeks off with my MMC and about 1 week off with my MC. I just needed that time to adjust. You are perfectly entitled to have the time and NO ONE should think any less of you - it is such a sad time when all our hopes are dashed and you need to do whatever suits you.

min I think it is a double kick in the teeth when you've managed to get past the dreaded 12 weeks only to lose a baby (or babies) to somehting else. I know that's how we felt for lou as well. So many MC's and then you think you've finally done it and bam a stillbirth. I have no experince of this myself but can only hassard a guess at how cheated you and she must feel. My heart goes out to you. I also get what ou said about - if you don't try then there is NO chance at all. And I do agree, my mantra is you've gotta be in it to win it! But I still marvel at your strength. Did your hubbie like my cuddle I gave him???

Well the day has finally arrived. I am calling the Estate Agnent today and the house will go on the market tomorrow (if he can take the photos). I am scared and excited all at once. I have to clean up the house today which is not helped by the fact that I had hardly any sleep last night for thinking about what i needed to clean and finish today - also I feel a bit emotional and back achey and am sure this means I have not gotten preggers again this month.

Hippy runs off to clean the house - will report back tomorrow.

Hello everyone, I feel like I know you all so please excuse any familiarity. I've been lurking on this thread for the last two years. I even posted a couple of times as modernart, my old nickname.

I just wanted to let you all know that I am pregnant at the grand old age of 45. I'm 7+2 and going for a scan tomorrow. I'm very scared but excited. If all goes well this will be baby no. 6, my others are all older (22-14) but I have remarried and DH has no children of his own so it will be his first. I haven't used any fertility aids as my DH wanted it to happen naturally. I personally would have done anything(!) but was happy to go along with his wishes. I temped for about a year but gave up as it was making me a bit obsessive. I take Dr Marilyn Glenville's Fertility+ and that's about it.

Huge congratulations to Diege and Louisesh. I love everyone's posts and they have really kept me going through everything.

Curly no you haven t offended me at all.

hi all. mitzi I took 3 weeks off with my mmc last year. I lost alot of blood and was just too anaemic to go back earlier, but I think that 2 weeks or more is perfectly reasonable (unless your way of coping is to throw yourself back into work). On temping, I had to stop doing this in the end - my waking up time was too erratic, and really affected my temperature. And the more I thought about temping, the more I woke up in the night to take my temperature - you need to have 3 hours solid sleep to get a good temperature I think, so it would worry me if I woke up at 4 that I wouldn't then be getting another 3 hours! So I stopped. I do miss not knowing when I ovulated though.

min In my case Clomid (or something else?) delayed ovulation this month, and the nurse said to me that that could be good - the eggs might be better quality if they're not released too early. But we'll see.

hippy I did have a couple of cps last year - got up to about cd40-43 or something and had bfps, but then it all went wrong. Nothing in the past few months though.

No I'm not packed, or ready. We don't have visas yet! But getting quite excited - booked our hotel on the beach last night - can't wait! Working like a maniac in the meantime, so hardly getting time to do anything, but it'll all be worth it I hope.

tina fingers crossed for you!

Italian yes, that's me.

I'm getting a referral to the recurrent mc thread, I hope (got consultant app next Tues)

Mitzi the AMH test, combined with the FSH/LH 3 day test will give some idea of your egg reserve. It tells you nothing about egg quality, just whether you have eggs, and if you are 'normal', 'reduced', 'low' or 'very low'.

I have had the above tests done privately as they couldn't be done on the NHS.

Italian - we lost our twins to a very specific id twin problem - TTTS and also suspected IUGR. They are our reason to keep going as if we got them past early mc then I can do it again. Yes my dh has had tests - his sperm has motility problems and a slight low count but 9 pregnancies in 4 years means they are moving quick enough! We have had all tests and nothing comes up. You may ask me anything

Hippy - I am not sure that clomid gives you better eggs - it makes you produce more of them so hopefully the good ones that are waiting down the line get pushed to the front with a few others. I am on 100mg so will wait to see what happens.

Thanks for all your welcomes, let's hope that we all get to fulfill our dreams.

Mitzi you need to take as long as you need.For my first MMC i had 5 weeks off for my 2 nd MC i had a week after the erpc off but everyon'e individual.Why carry on at work? A job's only a job.

Obviously post Georgie i ve had 5 months off and went back at what would have been the end of my mat leave if i hadn t changed it to sick leave IYSWIM.

Thanks hippychick66 and hopefulgum for the advice about temp recording. I'm finding that the earlier I do it (05:20 this morning) the lower the temp is. I went back to sleep and took it again when my alarm went off and it was quite a bit higher.

The main reason I'm doing it is that my progesterone was very low (8) when I was pregnant. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that it's progesterone that drives the temp increase in the 2nd half of the cycle (luteal phase?) so I thought temping would help me know if the low progesterone was specific to the pg or an ongoing problem. Is this right?

I saw the Womens Health Counsellor for the first time this morning. I asked her if she thought it would be OK for me to take a few days off work to try to process what's happened to me and come to terms with it. I feel like a bit of a fraud wanting time off now because I worked all through the mc. She said I'm not being a fraud at all, often we "crack" when the pressure is released, not when it's all piling up on us, and that (from her experience working with other women after mc) she recommends at least two weeks off! I almost fell off my chair. I'd love that but it seems excessive - I do always tend to rush back to work too soon, though. What does anyone else think?

Sorry to be "me, me, me" but this is all still very new to me and I don't really feel as if I can help any of you with stuff because you're all much more knowledgeable than me! I will get better, honest! Fingers crossed for TinaO99 though.

tina let's hope your colleague is right and has a spooky insight into these things.

italian thanks for th advise about the selling - I do agree actually. I don't really want to arrive in the IOW and instead of making friends for me and my DC's just be trying to flog expensive stuff to everyone - they'll all start avoiding me - which is not the plan. I have 3 'friends' in the IOW already. They are all virtual. 2 I met on MN (I posted on a Portsmouth and the Island thread) and one person whose sister I used to work with and who I now know on FB. So i have 3 friends and DH has none - unsociable git

lou glad all is ok with you. Look after GBOS for us - you know we are all gonna wanna meet him/her

mitzi - yes I think the time you take the temp can matter. I temped for a few months but found I was getting bloody obsessed, eg. dreaming I had woken up and taken it! Also, I found that one of the boys would have a bad dream and call out, I'd jump out of bed run in there and see that they were alright and then realise that it was too late to take my temp now cos I'd got out of bed but I didn't have 3 hours left to get more sleep (does that make any sense??) Anyway, I do think temping is good for finding out what's going on and for confirming ovulation but for me it was a bit too obssesive. I only ever did it on paper and have not tried the thing gum mentioned. Might be worth you doing that if it has an adjustment facility.

lol I hope the brown gloopy stuff is calming down - blimey the things we go through - yuck.

italian yes hairylights is indeed hairy triangle, she change dher name for christmas. I'm quite glad she did cos every time i read hairy triangle I imagined pubes (sorry hairy, couldn't help it ). I know that you did explain the real reason for the name and it was NOTHING to do with pubes.

min and BB I will follow your success with clomid with interest. I have been thinking that i might try it for a couple of months before giving up. Can you get it from a GP. I like the idea of it giving you better eggs - they need all the help they can get.

Nothing to report here. Don't think I've been successful this month - just a hunch, I have nothing to base it on. Except the fact that my endo is quite bad at the moment- but that could mean anything.

jolls I'll bet you're at the beach today - you lucky begger.

XXXXXX - love to all

morning all newbies, oldies and italian and lou thanks for the good wishes, AF is due today still on a bloomin high on the monitor, it's been so weird this month, I've had no sore boobs which i normally get before it's due but I'm guessing if i didn't ovulate my period may well have gotten delayed or messed up somehow

my colleague at work is convinced I'm preggers as she is getting all the symptoms (but is convinced she isn't herself) she had the same thing with a friend of hers who didn't know she was pregnant as soon as she found out my colleague lost all the symptoms

I'm sure I'm not but we'll see maybe the BFNs I'm getting are because I've been testing too early - fingers crossed

have a great day all - it's beautiful again outside

Hi all I m here1!!!!!!
Was very busy Monday then at work yesterday,absolutley shattered last night and very sick so passed out early!!!! Thank god got today off my friend has just cancelled lunch so i m chilling today.
Hippy still loving my Kindle but not had time to use it!!!!! I too would steer well clear of any selling all sounds a bit dodgy to me.FX for [biscuits][biscuits] oh, here we go again boobs,boobs,boobs!!!!!!!
Hi italian hope you re well?
Hi Gum all well with you?
BB Hi
Hi Tina,Lol,Panashe and Curly hope all are ok?

Welcome newbies Mini and Hairey we ve all been there unfortunately sorry XXX
Hi Diege any news on a scan date? My buddy.....Sorry you re feeling crap.I have intermeittent bouts of nasuea grim but managable.

Good day at work yesterday was nice to get back in to all the gossip and trival crap.Had a long conversation about Georgie with our new band 5 nurse he was appointed when I was off but had obviously heard all about what had happened and said he wanted to talk to me but didn t know what to say.As i told him i m always more than happy to talk about Georgie and would rather people ask as opposed to being ignored/avoided.
Ended up telling 2 more of my colleagues about GBOS they are so happy.Arh.......X

min welcome, so sorry to hear of your losses. May you get what you are hoping for. I hope we can help with hand holding/hugging and sprinkling baby-dust. Just curious and tell me to butt out but has your hubby been checked for anything. It sounds like the miscarriages and your tragic loss of your baby girls has all happened with your new husband, could it be that there is something in relation to his contribution to the pregnancy. Please ignore that question if you prefer.

Tina sorry to hear about your BFN but glad you can at least feel some cheer from the sunshine. Thinking of you.

In fact Sorry to hear about the BFNs ladies.

lolfactor can your doctor not do a test on the discharge?

hairylights were you hairytriangle? Sorry if this has been discussed, I pop in and out and don?t manage to keep up well! If you have had several losses are they now checking this out.

Curlylox Disneyland! Wow, actually Euro Disney has kids go free up to 12 so if they repeat that offer in the next 6 years, we will probably/possibly go! Just might need to leave DH behind as he hates spending money!

Hippy Hamster happy and surviving life with my rough-handed DD!

Hippy re the business idea, personally, I would be wary of trying to sell anything! I was a Phoenix trader for a year and made about £70 in a year clear profit... yes you read that right! I think if you are wanting to really throw yourself into it then do but if you are just toying with it, then you will possibly not make much money. If you are self-employed you will need to do tax returns, which are a pain! Will you have to put some money in at the start? You could possibly find your house is full of stock and bits of paper. I think being self-employed can be quite a lonely business. Also, I think if something is expensive it can be harder to sell, I sold cheap cards and it was a struggle, are these expensive products? My job has developed a lot and I now love it and so if you like being around people and stuff I would say paid employment beats being self-employed. But if you want to go for it and would enjoy it then go for it.

Muchlove how you doing?

Beattie yes, Comic Relief was emotional! Did you watch the Witney storyline on Easter Enders on Comic Relief, very upsetting.

Louise hugs to you.

Tank how are you?

Lia any developments?

Hugs to Nicole, OooohShiny, Shandybass, Jolls, Alba, Diege, Hopefulgum, and panshe.

Waves, baby-dust and hugs to all.

Hello ladies!
Mitzi, I temp everyday, and I just do it when I wake. But I do wake pretty much at the same time everyday. My "default" time is 6 a.m, but I temp half an hour either side of it. You can also adjust the temperature (there's an adjuster on fertility friend) if your time is way out. But they suggest you don't use that too often. I guess if you are woken before your alarm, and you won't get three hours sleep after that, then take your temp at the earlier time.

It has become second nature to me now (been doing it for about three- four years). I think it is a great tool, not only because it shows when you have ovulated (taking the guess work out) but also shows patterns in your cycle. It can also help to diagnose specific problems like progesterone deficiency or short luteal phase etc.

Beattie, I'm afraid my symptoms really aren't all that hopeful.Temperature dropped today. Fully expect RTD on Friday or Saturday, unless my LP has lengthened.

Nice to think someone else will be awake when I am - in Vietnam. How long are you going for?

Deige - I'm so sorry you are feeling so awful. I'm guessing you've tried everything to help, and that drugs are the only thing that helps? I have heard that acupuncture and reflexology can help, but I'm not sure how it would go with your full-on hyperemesis. I did acupuncture to help with morning sickness, it was helpful, but didn't make it go away.My acupuncturist loves to tell the story of the woman who was hospitalised with her sickness, but then had acupuncture three times a week and stayed out of hospital. That's all very well, but I'm guessing that it cost a pretty penny doing it that often!

I've heard of a reflexologist here who also practices hot rock massage and Reiki. I'm thinking I might give it a try. You liked the reflexology, didn't you Hippy? I especially like the sound of the hot rock massage. Sounds very relaxing.

I'll do anything if it will help implant a take home baby!

Wow you've all posted so much since I was last here I don't think I can catch up.

Diege sorry you're so sick & hope it settles soon but it's a good thing really, apart from making you feel so bad, isn't it?

Sorry for everyone who's had bad news and yay! for those with good news - really, really sorry can't remember all the names - and min you poor love, on your 8th mc.

How do you go about getting your eggs checked, hairy? Was that the AMH test you mentioned? Sorry for all the stupid questions; I'm new to all this (which means: expect more stupid questions from me.)

E.g. I've just started temp charting, (too soon because I'm still bleeding a bit from my mc but I thought I should get used to doing it.) I read that it's important to do it at the same time each morning, but it must be done after at least 3 hours solid sleep. It says you must set your alarm at weekends so as not to sleep in. So usually (not lately but I blame the pg / mc for that) I sleep through to the alarm at 8am. But if I'm woken by the next door neighbour's door slamming at 5.30 am or the bin men at 6.30 am then I have to take my temp then, because even if I get back to sleep, it won't be 3 hours before my alarm goes off. How important is the time you do it?

diege sorry crossed posts with you. Sorry you're still sick but I guess if it suddenly stopped now you'd be more worried. It was the one where Jez got married and then his bride buggered off for an interview.

BB I didn't realise you'd had more losses since the MC in feb. were they CP's - sorry I don't remember you announcing a BFP - so assume they were very early losses. I hope you get a BFP on your hols. Do you know how to buy a preggo test there (remembers Bridget Jones trying to mime a preggo test in the film).

lou where are you? Ever since she got that flippin' Kindle she's never on here .

lia any news??????

Just popping in quickly befoe bed - tough day, but looking forward to my bed. Welcome min
Will post more tomorrow - still sick sick sick but getting through and counting down the days (does improve for me after 14 wks or so).
Which episode of the Peep Show did you watch Hippy?

Hello min sorry about all your losses. How old are your children? I am on clomid - but 50mg and this is my first month. now on cd18. I did ovulate a bit later than I normally do, (I am taking it for the same reason as you - I do ovulate, but this is to produce better eggs/more lining/a longer LP). I had to be scanned for this cycle and the nurse at the clinic said that later ovulation might mean a better quality of eggs. I also might have had 2 eggs released, which is a bit scary for me! I didn't have any symptoms of anything when I took the clomid (maybe a bit of nausea) - i think it is vision disturbance that is more of an issue. But i did have very bad cramping after ovulation which I then googled and seems quite normal. (didn't know whether it was ovulation so made dh dtd again!). Anyway, a few days to go to see if it worked.

hairy sorry you've had 3 miscarriages. I remember you joining the tighty whitey thread when I was there (possibly under a different name). Hope the testing helps. I have had a couple of early mcs since mine in Feb, but investigations haven't showed any reason for it. I'm trying clomid now.

gum sounds hopeful! lol don't google!!

tina sorry about your bfn - I know what you mean about just wishing it all over to get to the next swi time

Hippy you must be getting close to testing time now?

curly any news from you?

Hello Italian panashe Mitzi isaboo muchlove lou" and diege and anyone else I've missed - but definitely not forgetting lia*

Oh go to V on sunday, but will taking an array of technology so will probably be logging on to tell you all about my bfp and worrying about tummy bugs etc . I'll be nearly in the same time zone as you gum!

lol sorry I didn't answer your question about the brown gloop. alba has shamed me by coming on and answering and I realised that I was too busy banging on about selling stuff. Sorry, honey. I hope it is natures way of clearing the decks - good luck for next month.

min I see, living children - makes sense. Big squeeze for your DH ((())) - blimey, he doesn't even know me

diege - ok?? lou - ok?? nicole haven't 'seen' you for a while.

Hope all the other newbies are ok. Please forgive me if I don't name check you all - I can only remmeber about 4 people at a time (I sound like my mother).

italian how is the prize winning hamster??

Nothing to report here - 's have begun being tender and bless them they do try to convince me that we've been successful but I know it means nothing. I'll start getting hopeful paranoid next week.

Hairy - yes I have had every test going under a good recurrent miscarriage specialist. Until they can give me a reason why we can't have a happy ending we will keep trying. Although my dh is happy to have 2 step sons he would love to have a child call him Daddy. My heart breaks for him when he says things like that :-(

However, onwards and upwards - we have to find the strength from somewhere.

Hippy - lc living children - that's what we use on the SANDS forum - I guess all the abbreviations differ. Not sure if I am strong or stupid but if we don't keep trying there is then no chance.

Lol - my af seems to be much heavier too and really bad backache. Hopefully it's just a good clear out.

Thanks Alba. I was quite worried. I think you're right. That must be what's happening. The actual MC was a breeze compared to this. All that cramping - well, at least it's nature's way of providing me with a D and C. It would explain it. Let's hope it all goes soon.