Feisty Fabulous Forty somethings - part 2

sorry - all running late in Jollsterhouse tonight.

Bistro order; tonight I fancy Seafood Fajitas! With extra Guacamole pls. And then I would like Creme Brulee... Raspberry. And not the little ones they serve in restaurants, I want an industrial size pls. And then some G&B Butterscotch. Tvm, diege you are so kind.

curly ... wasn't sure whether to post this as I didn't want to sound all "me too, me too, let me have the spotlight" But I have also been wondering whether I have dipped into depression. Very unusually for me I have a really short fuse, and have to count to ten a LOT. I have also been crying a lot. Most days I cry once or twice, often at legitimate sad things, but also at lesser ones. I've also avoided some situations/people where I know I can't get away with floating in and out IYKWIM. So I only post to say I know how you're feeling and I sympathise. I don't have any clever answers :(. Do you have anyone you can talk to? Do you have a sympathetic GP? How do you feel tonight? Where abouts are you in your cycle? Are you about to Ov? Does that make you tearful? Big Sussex squeeze to you tonight.

Love to all.

Off to watch EE as missed it earlier. xx

Oh Curly It does sound from your description that you might be a tad depressed. Obvously you know yourself better than anyone else, but the thing about not wanting to see anyone etc does ring a bell.
On a happier note I declare the Friday bistro open! Curly has first orders today
I have a bit of a migraine brewing so am keeping it simple. Homemade chicken pie with shortcrust pastry, with mash and gravey, followed by rice pudding with a homemade shortbread biscuit on the side. White wine spritzer to drink.

Hi BB no smiley face yet but only cd9 so not freaking out YET!!!!

Jolls you sound crap....Hope you start to pick up soon X

Hippy and Jolls sorry to upset you but Georgie is worthy of your tears.

Much what cd you on now? Hope you got LOADS of swi in

Diege Hi welcome back.Well done on all your extra work XX

Panashe hope you had a nice break.Where did you go?

Had a lovely time last night.Saw my possey of personal midwives.The remembrance book is gorgeous my family all made their entries.They are spending the rest of the charity money on furnishing a room away from the ward for women like me experiencing a stillbirth.They [theres 3 midwives i had a lot to do with and delivered Georgie] and the ward manager all want to care for me when i go in for Gbos.They are truely lovely.

hello

quickly read through messages and will respond properly tomorrow. lovely dm had children and lovely dp took me away for couple days but he back at work tomorrow so heading home soon

:) x

thanks for this mummyabroad I have emailed Dr Lower (nothing like acting quickly!) - my lining was apparently 9.2mm just before ovulation. I spoke to my clinic too and they say this would indicate ashermans wasn't a problem, or if it was it would be mild. But I do wonder if my womb lining is so good, where does it all go to??

jolls arseicles! (as hippy would say!). its a bugger isn't it when rtd turns up. Then a day or two later, back comes the optimism.

Sat through a meeting yesterday looking at a colleague's swollen tummy. Another newly pregnant person (or she had put on alot of weight in one place). and then went for coffee with my friend who had mcs last year and is now 34 weeks pregnant. it's very hard.

hippy how did your interview go?

lou any smiley faces yet? I'm only cd 3, but looking forward to opk time!

BB, you see, told you she was good!

Morning all - throat still like razor blades and sticky sore eyes. All tres attractive. CD23 and think bastard arse bollocks feckin' RTD is on her merry way. Trace of caramel CM last night. Hey ho, let's not think about it...

Hi Beattie I now how scary it is, but just remember that AS IS treatable as long as you get yourself in the right hands, sadly lots of doctors who have no experience will tell you they can treat you (when they are only likely to make things worse) and lots will tell you cant be treated at all (which is BS), they are the ones to run from!

re questions

1. Yes, you can have a "good" lining and still have AS. Lining measurements can be inaccurate - were three measurements taken? How many times have you been measured? Also keep in mind scar tissue does not show up on an ordinary ultrasound scan, and sometimes the walls of the uterus can be stuck together, this also doesnt show up unless some kind of liquid (saline or contrast dye) is used to show the uterus in a 3d state. Finally, scar tissue can be localised to the cervix area so the lining builds up but the blood cant escape during your period. However a thick lining midcycle (7mm or greater) would indicate a lesser problem, either there is not much damage to your endometrium and/or you havent had AS for a long time.

2 The yahoo group keeps lists of doctors. The A list are considered the best, they are doctors who follow a recognised protocol for treating AS, and generally know each other. The only two A listers in the UK are Dr Lower (private only) and Dr Trew (private and NHS) B list are doctors recommened by A listers, and C listers are ones who have treated other AS members, all the phone numbers/contact details are available as well as members comments about the treatment they received and the outcome. Some A listers will answer emails/phone calls for free too. Dr March is one of the best in the world and he has helped me lots of times via email, you can send him your scan pictures to review and see what he says (although he will probably recommend you do an HSG)

Once again, I know its scary as hell reading anything about AS, but it is really worth doing your research before agreeing to any treatment plans. Take care xxx

hi there, thanks mummyabroad I'll come to the thread (just had a quick look) and look round the yahoo group.

Can I ask you something - I had a scan and my womb lining was apparently good. could I still have asherman's syndrome with this? Also, the dr referred to in that thread - you all seem pretty certain that he is the only/best dr. Do we avoid local doctors? Sorry all those questions - i'll come and read the thread properly soon I promise. (a bit scared that this is my problem tbh and not sure that I will go ahead anymore now).

Hello BeatieBow (and jolls ) Sorry to hear you think you might have AS. I started a thread about AS over here happy to answer any questions. If you havent found it already, please get yourself signed up to this yahoo group - the ladies on here have been collecting info about AS for 10 years, the files section is very informative and there are thousands of women with AS who can answers questions too. Feel free to PM too is that is easier.

BB MummyAbroad has already replied to my post on MC thread and she'll be in touch - she's a diamond! Very knowledgable and totally lovely! x

thanks jolls. am thinking I won't go to scary clinic woman for that treatment - it will bankrupt me. I can get some treatment on Bupa apparently (through my company)so I will look into somewhere that is recognised by bupa (scary clinic lady isn't )

BB there's a woman on the MC thread who knows a LOT about Ashermann's. Will ask her to pop by and get in touch with you. She lives in Costa Rica so not sure what her posting hours are.

hello all, yes diege i stop taking vit b at ovulation.

Anyway, I've been researching light periods and have decided I've got Asherman's syndrome. All my symptoms fit in - light periods, cramping, botched mc (forceps involved and the cps. I'm going to mention it to scary clinic boss on Monday, but I feel a bit cross that they should have thought about this.

sorry all about me. It's a bugger if its that because operations and stuff are involved I think. and many more months waiting. and time off work. and risks. Not good. eek.

Who is coming up for testing now? muchlove? we need some good news on this thread very soon I think.

Hello, I'm still here! Just peeking from behind a pile of scripts . Will be back on tomorrow night for bistro - only 137 scripts left to mark!
Have skimmed and seen the sad post from Gum - you will be missed; please don't disappear
Oh and quick question, am taking vit B6 along with agnus, and wondering if it should be stopped after temp rise (ie. ovulation) like AC?

lou like Hippy I always cry when I read about Georgie. I read your post earlier and had to log off.

In fact now I'm crying typing about her too :(

lou I'm in bloody tears again - just reading about Georgie always does that to me. So sorry for you, my love - it should have been so different.

On a brighter note - hurray for lunatic - glad to hear her little lad is safely here. I was 4 pounds 7 ounces at birth - proof that premature babies get bigger (much bloody bigger in my case ).

tank hooray for you - 19 weeks. Fabulous news. I miss your posts BUT i do understand why you are so quiet at the moment - you don't need all that shit right now!

I am so excited. Have been doing loads of research on IOW and really feel like we are gonna be living there THIS SUMMER!

Interview tomorrow. It's an open-day thing cos they are looking for lots of people - so there is some interacting and role play type stuff - curly I can't wait for an excuse to make 'em laugh!

panache to save you stalking here are my details:- 2 X DSs aged 10 and 7. No probs with conception or pregnancy and birth. We decided the year before last to try for a cheeky last baby. Got pregnant at aged 43 but was one of the unlucky February 10 ladies. MMC 12th feb(1 year anniversary on Saturday ) (I was 11.5 weeks but feotus was about 8 weeks). Had eprc. 3 months later was pregnant again but had a spontanious complete MC at 7 weeks. It's now been 8 months since I was pregnant and I am wondering if I should keep going???? (I'm 44 and a half now!!! )

I hope you're keeping notes on us all .
I know it's only been 2 weeks since your MC and i just wanted to re-assure you that it does get easier and whilst I still get sad about it - I do feel like I've moved on from it.

jolls ((())) Hate to think of you ill, sweetie. XX

Big wave to my mate nicole.

Bad lost very long post!!!! Sh laptop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right here we go again!!!!

Italian tut tut!!!! However, i hope you enjoyed yourself last night.

Jolls hope things improve soon.I always think things can t get any worse then they do!!!!!!

Hi Curly

BB sorry rtd got you.At least you re seeing your consultant soon and hopefully get some answers.You had a stalker?????

Much i m totally with you.I would love to 20 weeks pregnant.Keep thinking that next time i ll try and enjoy it all.Probably won t work like that but i didn t enjoy Georgie as was too worried.[turns out i didn t need to worry about the pregnancy though!!!!].We will get to that point again.

Hi Panashe I m 40, just,2 months ago.I m one of the spring chickens on here!!!!.I stopped the ocp in Jan 08 ,had a MMC in Oct 08 diagnosed at 12 week scan baby died at 8/9 weeks had medical management.That was awful.2nd Mc in Sept 09 had erpc ,much better.CP in Dec09.Concieved Georgie in Jan 10 with a due date of 1st October.Pregnancy well monitored had 2 weekly scans and pregnanyl twice weekly up to 13 weeks.Was on asprin,consultant led due to my history.At 40 weeks + 5 days i had my first sweep started off contractions.2 days later i lost my mucus plug and had my 2 nd sweep.Within 20 hours Georgie was dead.No movement felt so went to hospital on 9th October advised no heartbeat heard/felt.Delivered Georgie on 10th October.She was perfect weighed 7lbs,12 ozs.Pm showed Georgie died of choriamitios[sp] which is inflamation of the membranes due to an infection.The placental swabs showed E coli which we, deduced was in my vagina and via the 2 nd sweep infiltrated the placenta.Georgie died of hypoxia [lack of oxygen] and went to sleep .

All very ,very, very bad luck and timing.Had Georgie have come on her due date or earlier the outcome would have been totally different.Another CP in Jan 11.Thats my story and how i ended up here!!!!

Well, cd8 here so swi this am.Yeh here we go again!!!! This month with a venegance.

Hi to everyone ,hope all are well.[apart from poor Jolls] XXXX

Blimey alot of us had mcs in Feb 2010. What a horrible month that was!

jolls hope you're feeling a bit better today. My ds2 is nearly the same age as yours - 2y10 months (April 20008) - such a cute age isn't it?

Anyway, feel shit today too. Thought it was a good idea to go out after work and drink too much wine and then get the very late train home. Never again! (well until tomorrow night anyway). have decided to cut down on caffeine this month - so just one cup a day (apart from today obviously), and am taking agnus castus religiously.

Any other ideas about what you can take to boost womb lining?

saw the lunatic news, but went to bed at 7.30 as felt so rough... HOOOOORARRRRR for baby boy lunatic! Good to see you TTT, such great news that you are motoring along the road to 40 weeks.

panashe I am 42, 43 in a couple of weeks. Conceived DS by accident at 39, he's now 2y8m. Started TTC#2 when he turned one, got pg first month of trying, but had a MMC at 13 week scan August 09 (11+6). Then another MMC at 11 week scan Feb 10 (9+0). Then another MMC at 12 week scan August 10 (10+1). Have just had lots of recurrent MC tests, all came back clear. Trying again to find that elusive golden egg! CD 22 for me today.

can't sleep hence up at this stupid o'clock... but feel horrible, sore throat, achy, hot and cold all at once. pants :(

Lou well the sex with intent went out the window. Seem my hubby was more interested in reading Ewan McGregor's motor biking book until bed time! So, no, I did not take my own advice and dance in my frilly undies! Instead I said gruffly, OK tomorrow then!

So I am on a promise for tonight.

Love to all.