Freak out room for those newly updiffed after MC to hold hands and support each other...

hairy it sounds like on balance you can take heart from the scan then: the hcg being within the realms of 'normal' by wombats post, and you also now know the baby is in the right place. I meant to say earlier that I was told at my 6 week scan that the only thing they are looking for is to see if it's in the right place. And when we booked a private scan the private clinic refused to see anyone unless they were 7 weeks or more. So I think very early scans have enormous potential to freak people out. I am so glad that yours seems to have gone as reasonably well as one can hope for at this stage, and will be holding out huge hope for your bloods on Sunday. Hang in there.

The consultant also talked about us not knowing the date of conception (just meeting sperm, and even that is an unknown really).

He said that sperm can live for seven days and eggs up to four (news to me) - and he said 'so do you think you can tell me the exact date of conception' and I said 'I'd be a very rich lady if I could'.

Clutching at straws any?

woops, was always crap at maths. a 66% rise every three days would be about 5,900 so it's not that far off.

Hairy well that is good news and must give you hope lovely... glad they are monitoring you, try and get plenty of rest and look after yourself over the coming days x

Hi, everyone. I've got hcg of 5,372.

They've asked me to speak to the consultant in the morning, and think they will probably book me in for more bloods on Sunday.

Fingers crossed. It seems from what I've found online that that's a normal level for 6 weeks (well, within the incredibly differing range that is normal).

And I've worked out that a 33 percent rise since the last one every three days would put it at 6,900, so I am slow rising.

Will just have to wait and see what the next result says.

Just dropping by to say Hairy, am thinking of you and hoping as everyone has said that this afternoon's results will give you some reassurance.

Hairy just wanted to drop in and say I'm so sorry you're in this situation. To look at the positives, there was something there, so don't give up hope. I hope they get your blood test results to you speedily, the waiting is agonising I know.

Hairy I think the 'doubling every two days' thing is a gross over-generalisation. I'm an 'information is power' kind of girl and when I'm stressed I tend to try to inform myselkf as muchas possible. I did a lot of research when I was fretting a few weeks ago and read several medicial papers on it and it really does seem to be less absolute than that. The more detailed conclusion seems to be that 85% of normal pregnancies will have an early HCG level that increases by at least 66% every 48-72 hours (bear in mind that that means that 15% of normal pregnancies won't increase that quickly - which seems quite a lot to me). Then as the numbers get higher the rate usually slows down. Once the levels get to about 6,000 or you get to 6 wks pg, levels will take on average 4.75 days to double.

Hope that helps. I'm keeping everything crossed that you get some more encouraging news this afternoon xxx

Thanks hon that's a really lovely message x

hairy I'm sorry the scan wasn't more reassuring. I think this space of 'not knowing' that you now find yourself in is cripplingly stressful and my heart really goes out to you. I hope so much that the hcg levels give you some comfort.

But I do remember once posting up my own hcg levels in a previous pg, asking people on mumsnet if they were 'normal', and someone came on and said her hcg levels had been in triple digits for most of her first trimester, and climbed very slowly much to disbelief of doctors, and she had a a healthy baby. So I guess I'm echoing wombat and suggesting that maybe there isn't a 'correct' target to reach, but only averages, and we're all different.

I'm not sure if sizes and growth begins with ovulation or really starts to kick-off after implantation? (Can someone clarify this....?) Another lady in a thread I was on was absolutely certain of her dates too (we use a clearblue fertility monitor and SWI when the machine says so so its fairly rigid) and found at her scan that the bean was measuring a week earlier than she thought she should be. Or maybe that backs up what owl says and early scans generally.

It might be that another scan in a week gives a clearer indication. Regardless, I'm thinking of you and hope you're holding up.

Also, just to say that when you posted a few days ago that you've managed 3 BFPs in 9 months at 42 you gave me real hope (I'm nearly 40). I actually ran off to tell my DH. I think you have a lot to hope for for the future - don't give up hairy. x

Thanks. Fucking fucking fucking hell. I wish i'd not gone and just waited. I did ask dp whether he would mind if we didn't go. But he was worried
about ectopic.

Oh Hairy so sorry you've got yet more uncertainty :(

The more I see of early scans the more I'm becoming convinced that between about 5 and 8 weeks they have no fecking clue how far along you actually are - because it varies so wildly and so do the sizes/development. I am so, so hoping you're just looking at a late starter there

Wombat, I thought it had to double in forty eight hours?

Thanks all. I am realising just how much what happened to me last year has taken out of me. I am no longer the same carefree person I was. I just don't know if I can take any more of this. I think this will be it for me if it goes wrong, and I will have to find a way to live childless.

I really appreciate all your kind words, but I'm fairly sure I ovulated when I think I did (I use a clear blue monitor and the last peak day was 8th of Jan). Had sex on 8th and 16th.
that would put me at four weeks plus six days since ovulation, so by now surely they should be able to see something. Unless I ovulated twice in the month (thinking about it, and I didn't note it down, I did have ewcn at an unexpected time).

Although even then, my positive pregnancy test was on 17th January so no, I think my dates are right.

Hairy im so sorry it wasnt the news you had hoped for... mama is right though... orange had the same at a similar time.. I really really do hope that when you are re-scanned(?) there is someting more than a 'sac like area'.

Hideous wait you have, and my heart goes out to you xx

Hairy I am virtually squeezing you ((((hugs))))
From memory, you are only 6 weeks today aren't you? If you ovulated late in your last cycle, you could conceivabley only be 5 weeks in gestational age and on a scan at that stage you are unlikely to see much, sometimes the sac isn't even visible until 5+3/4 fx crossed the HCG level's reveal that you are progressing xxx

1,307 to 21,000 would be a massive increase! Are you sure it needs to increase that much? I was told 66% increase every 48-72 hours is fine and once it gets about about 6,000 it can take 4-5 days to double.

last hcg was 1,307, that was last week. I am calculatingit will need to be 21,000 today to be viable.

Hugs Hairy we'll all be keeping everything crossed for the HCG results and that you're just a bit earlier than you thought you were xxx

Thanks. the abdominal scan couldn't see anything (I was really glad I had picked a spot on the ceiling to stare at).

The trans-vaginal scan picked up this blob - my notes say 'sac-like area'.

Can't help holding out some hope, but I can't help feeling pretty devastated too.

I think if this doesn't work out that will be it for me until I've had further tests and see if my eggs are actually any good or not.

Hairy - so sorry the news is not reassuring yet, and I'm keeping fingers crossed it's just too early to see much yet. When was your last hCG to compare?

(( Hairy )) there is still hope - fx for you - will be thinking of you x

((((hairy))) fingers crossed HCG is climbing nicely and it's just that you ov'ed later than you thought. Try and get lots of rest-am thinking of you xx

Hairy so sorry to hear that. All you can do now is sit tight and see what happens. Could your dates be wrong?

Hi.

It's not great news, Im afraid, from me.

The have seen a 'blob' - not an egg sac, but a 'sac like' object.

a potential small bleed is also present, but no 'free fluid' in the womb.

They are re-testing HCG and I'll know the outcome later today.

Had decided it was definately not viable, but the consultant says there is the possibility that I am less pregnant than I thought and he does not yet want to write it off as non-viable.