Clearblue Fertility Monitor Support Group Buddies Vol 5!!

Hi All
I have finally peaked! Peaked today which is day 15, if im honest i thought it was never going to happen. Over the last 2 years i have found it hard to believe that i even ovulate as tests only ever had a very faint line on rare occassions and i never have CM just a few pains. So i feel quite reassured!

Question though that i cant get my head around. The CBFM says that it needs a few cycles to be able to predicte it correctly. How come? Surely it detects what ever the hormone is and if its there its there if its not its not?

Any ideas?

Kitty No idea on your q. My ov pains only last for about 12 - 24 hours. Sorry. Maybe someone else can advise? Are they definitely ov pains, do you think. Sometimes the bowel can spasm a bit and cause discomfort.

I used to feel the same as you around the time of ov, but now it' just a bit of a chore as we're doing it because we have to, rather than we want to.

Lychees Just read back through the posts. How are your hives? Have they subsided?

Essence Really sorry to hear you've been feeling low. I know exactly what you mean. It's just so soul destroying when AF arrives YET again. Grrr.

Right I am off to make cranberry and apple chutney now.

knackered (also known to me as guru of all things reproductive); does it mean anything that my Ov pains go on so long? is it something i should be concerned by?

im trying to be conservative in my due date estimation and taking it as 15 days from today (rather than 14 days from saturday!)....

i swear i actually used to feel horny around the time i was ovulating; these days not so much....

My pleasure.

It sounds like your ov pains are actually due to the follicle enlarging, which is reallly helpful as you'll know in future that's the time to start 'marinating' - loved your description

Anyway, now you know you've ovulated you can calculate roughly when to expect AF.

Actually I should have said that it's really unlikely that you have ovulated twice on two separate occassions. Of course two eggs can come from the same or different follicles in a single ovulation....

thanks knackered for a great explanation....yes it must be a long surge. is been a weird month i started O pains last monday (they often last several days with me); i finally got a peak saturday and yesterday. i felt a sharp twinge on my left side saturday which made me think i had ovulated but perhaps not, maybe it was the follicle about to pop!

now for two weeks of trying not to be obsessed and consumed -wish me luck with that!

Just updating - mine had slipped a day behind.

In School
AnytimeNOW TTC#3, Cycle #6, CBFM Cycle 6, age 38, UCL 28, CD55
Michelle2222 TTC#2, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL?, CD52
Birdietimesthree TTC#1, Cycle #3, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 24-25, CD45
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy TTC#3 Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 4, age 34, UCL 26-30 CD45
Missyraines TTC#1, Cycle #13, CBFM Cycle 8, age 33, UCL 32, CD37
Sufferingbabyfever TTC#1, Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL 28 , CD36
wantbaby TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM cycle 6, age 38, UCL 30, CD32
CrazyAlien TTCno.1 cycle 5 CBFM Cycle 2 age 28 UCL 31-35??! CD30
Lychees TTC#2, Cycle #14, CBFM cycle 10, Aged 36, UCL 30-35, CD28
Twowoulddo TTC#2, Cycle #6, CBFM cycle 1?, Aged 31, UCL 31, CD27
Keziah TTC#1, Cycle #28, CBFM Cycle 16, age 35, ucl 28-31, CD4
ZebedeetheZebra TTC#2, age 43, UCL TMI!, CD22
PinkCustard TTC#2, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 7, age 34, UCL 30-32, CD22
KnackeredCow TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM Cycle 4, age 31, UCL 28, CD22
IloveKittyElise TTC#1, Cycle 2, CBFM Cycle 2, age 34, UCL 28, CD20
Rosieposey TTC#5, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 6, age 38, UCL 29-35, CD19
Fr00tbat TTC#1, Cycle 6, CBFM Cycle 2, age 32, UCL 30-38 (av 34), CD18
Boba82 TTC#1 Cycle 19, CBFM cycle 6, age 28, UCL 30 (FX), CD18
Roastie TTC#1, Cycle #23, CBFM Cycle 1, age 32, UCL 29, CD15
Ses TTC#2, cycle #6, CBFM cycle #8, age 37, UCL 28-30, CD12

The Dog Ate My Homework
EmmaC29 TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM Cycle 1, age 29, UCL 26-29, CD71
Starlet22 TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM cycle 9, age 34, ucl 25, CD63
Littlefan TTC#1, Cycle 9, CBFM cycle 2 , age 31, UCL 32-38, CD56

Graduates
Emmylou30 BFP 22/10/10
MissLolita BFP 30/10/20
Notnearly BFP 6/11/10
StormBird BFP 10/11/10

Kitty Sorry to hear about your car accident. That's frightening. I had an horrendous journey up to Scotland in December '09 and I remember really sliding on the M74. I was petrified. I really feel for you.

As to your results it's really unlikely you've had two eggs. If you place the stick in front of you so that the end you pee on is on the left, the line on the left is LH, the one on the right is oestrogen. The LH line gets darker the more LH is in your system, and will trigger a peak at a pre-determined level. The one on the right is oestrogen. This uses a negative assay and so the colour fades out the more oestrogen is in your system. At a pre-set level it triggers the monitor to read 'high'.

The dark line you can see this morning is showing there's very little oestrogen in your system, which is what I'd expect. The pale line is showing there's very little LH in your system.

Two dark lines yesterday mean very little oestrogen (as ylu'd expect as that surge has lready happend) and a lot of LH, your LH surge.

On Saturnday, the monitor has picked up the LH fading IN as it begins to surge, and it seems you've got quite a long surge.

CBFM doesn't work like a normal OPK. As there's a monitor to read the 'darkness' or 'paleness' of the line there's no need for a control line agains which to compare the result.

ladies i think i have cocked up some of the stats can you please check yours.

I think I have had two eggs this month. Let me share!

Saturday - peak on monitor and slippery 'pant snot'.
sunday - peak but not just because of it being programmed to do so - two dark lines again (usually one lighter the second peak day)....and CM back to usual. this morning - more slippery CM (monitor 'high' and the sticks were one dark one light).
anyone had this experience of thinking they have released two eggs a day or two apart?

In School
AnytimeNOW TTC#3, Cycle #6, CBFM Cycle 6, age 38, UCL 28, CD55
Michelle2222 TTC#2, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL?, CD52
Birdietimesthree TTC#1, Cycle #3, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 24-25, CD45
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy TTC#3 Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 4, age 34, UCL 26-30 CD45
Missyraines TTC#1, Cycle #13, CBFM Cycle 8, age 33, UCL 32, CD37
Sufferingbabyfever TTC#1, Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL 28 , CD36
wantbaby TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM cycle 6, age 38, UCL 30, CD32
CrazyAlien TTCno.1 cycle 5 CBFM Cycle 2 age 28 UCL 31-35??! CD30
Lychees TTC#2, Cycle #14, CBFM cycle 10, Aged 36, UCL 30-35, CD28
Twowoulddo TTC#2, Cycle #6, CBFM cycle 1?, Aged 31, UCL 31, CD27
Keziah TTC#1, Cycle #28, CBFM Cycle 16, age 35, ucl 28-31, CD4
ZebedeetheZebra TTC#2, age 43, UCL TMI!, CD22
PinkCustard TTC#2, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 7, age 34, UCL 30-32, CD22
KnackeredCow TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM Cycle 4, age 31, UCL 28, CD21
IloveKittyElise TTC#1, Cycle 2, CBFM Cycle 2, age 34, UCL 28, CD20
Rosieposey TTC#5, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 6, age 38, UCL 29-35, CD19
Fr00tbat TTC#1, Cycle 6, CBFM Cycle 2, age 32, UCL 30-38 (av 34), CD18
Boba82 TTC#1 Cycle 19, CBFM cycle 6, age 28, UCL 30 (FX), CD18
Roastie TTC#1, Cycle #23, CBFM Cycle 1, age 32, UCL 29, CD15
Ses TTC#2, cycle #6, CBFM cycle #8, age 37, UCL 28-30, CD12

The Dog Ate My Homework
EmmaC29 TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM Cycle 1, age 29, UCL 26-29, CD71
Starlet22 TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM cycle 9, age 34, ucl 25, CD63
Littlefan TTC#1, Cycle 9, CBFM cycle 2 , age 31, UCL 32-38, CD56

Graduates
Emmylou30 BFP 22/10/10
MissLolita BFP 30/10/20
Notnearly BFP 6/11/10
StormBird BFP 10/11/10

Kitty - LOL at 24 hours of marinating
Also, must have been scary spinning in the car. I hate the snow and ice and always feel like I'm a real grumpypants about it but I hate the disruption it causes!

Lychees - sorry for your hives. So uncomfortable! IME, it normally is an allergy that causes it but could take a while to work out what. Sometimes patients do randomly start to become allergic to something they have always tolerated in the past.

Hello to everyone else! I'm meant to be working from home this morning (couldn't get in due to the snow!) so I'd better get on with my tackling my inbox which is almost full to capacity!

Hi Ladies! Another wanderer returns! Apologies for being AWOL, AF came and I had dreadful PMT combined with the disapointment and I was not in a good place!
CD10 now and my first high today so here's to a week of GOFing

In School
AnytimeNOW TTC#3, Cycle #6, CBFM Cycle 5, age 38, UCL 28, CD53
Michelle2222 TTC#2, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL?, CD50
Birdietimesthree TTC#1, Cycle #3, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 24-25, CD43
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy TTC#3 Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 4, age 34, UCL 26-30 CD43
Missyraines TTC#1, Cycle #13, CBFM Cycle 8, age 33, UCL 32, CD35
Sufferingbabyfever TTC#1, Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL 28 , CD34
wantbaby TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM cycle 6, age 38, UCL 30, CD30
CrazyAlien TTCno.1 cycle 5 CBFM Cycle 2 age 28 UCL 31-35??! CD28
Lychees TTC#2, Cycle #14, CBFM cycle 10, Aged 36, UCL 30-35, CD26
Twowoulddo TTC#2, Cycle #6, CBFM cycle 1?, Aged 31, UCL 31, CD25
Keziah TTC#1, Cycle #28, CBFM Cycle 16, age 35, ucl 28-31, CD22
ZebedeetheZebra TTC#2, age 43, UCL TMI!, CD21
PinkCustard TTC#2, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 7, age 34, UCL 30-32, CD20
KnackeredCow TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM Cycle 4, age 31, UCL 28, CD19
IloveKittyElise TTC#1, Cycle 2, CBFM Cycle 2, age 34, UCL 28, CD17
Rosieposey TTC#5, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 6, age 38, UCL 29-35, CD17
Fr00tbat TTC#1, Cycle 6, CBFM Cycle 2, age 32, UCL 30-38 (av 34), CD16
Boba82 TTC#1 Cycle 19, CBFM cycle 6, age 28, UCL 30 (FX), CD15
Roastie TTC#1, Cycle #23, CBFM Cycle 1, age 32, UCL 29, CD12
Ses TTC#2, cycle #6, CBFM cycle #8, age 37, UCL 28-30, CD10

The Dog Ate My Homework
EmmaC29 TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM Cycle 1, age 29, UCL 26-29, CD69
Starlet22 TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM cycle 9, age 34, ucl 25, CD61
Littlefan TTC#1, Cycle 9, CBFM cycle 2 , age 31, UCL 32-38, CD54

Graduates
Emmylou30 BFP 22/10/10
MissLolita BFP 30/10/20
Notnearly BFP 6/11/10
StormBird BFP 10/11/10

day 18 and i finally 'got an egg' (husband was really pleased with the 630 on a saturday POAS/clash around routine); will spend next 24 hours 'marinating' and then the 2ww. i did think of one good thing about the 2ww tho....no sex unless you actually want to!

my car totally spun around earlier - crazy days!

lychees im sorry to hear about your hives. i had that once before. i think it probably was a big stress thing for me. i hope you are ok; these are stressful times. thinking of you xxx

Agree, no such thing as "fun" here either!

Ouch to hives Lychees - though what with weather and cold and all the horrible coldy/flu/viral things going around maybe it is not stress after all. I have found a lot of dark purple spots on my right thigh - random comment I know, no idea what it is!!

No snow here, but it is so so cold.

Yes Kitty we rarely do it for fun now .

Must be extra, extra tough ttc with diabetes, ladies.

I'm not sure what's going on with body lately. I seem to have developed hives these past few weeks. So I'm on anti-histamines. I don't feel stressed but I wonder if its underlying stress. I've never been allergic to anything before so I don't think its a new allergy.

Earlier, the sky suddenly went black and then white and we had a mini blizzard and it settled [about 1cm] so we were all looking forward to heading home early but it's stopped now ... boooo! So it'll be a 6pm finish for me as usual.

ps sorry - i meant 'just' a background insulin.

yes its snowing but the boss isnt showing any signs of giving us early parole (so im making do surfing the net instead of doing any work).

Hey guys

Im cool today...just been swimming which always fixes me mentally! still no bloody egg this morning; i have ordered another box of sticks from amazon im hoping that tempts fate (fag at bus stop logic LOL)

rosie to be honest i eat fairly well anyway but not like a hero, i eat plenty of chocolate and cake etc. the things i have most difficulty with on insulin are things like curry and fish and chips which breakdown so slowly (and are really hard to carb count!); luckily i have a pump and can do an 'extended bolus' which helps. please don't be scared of insulin, i know moments like that can be terrifying but with time you get to understand your body really well and how insulin and day to day life interact (not very well some of the time LOL!). losing weight might help tho - even as type 1 gaining a lot of weight has made a huge difference to my insulin resistance; by getting your weight down and moving around plenty it might allow you just to take a background insulin which would be much easier to manage that all the carb counting and stuff (to me its part of my routine like brushing my teeth but if i could avoid it i would!); i dont know if you can do personal messaging on this site but if you want to chat about the diabetes stuff please feel free to get in touch its quite a challenge and support helps

So to any of you ladies who are finding that TTC is taking the romance and spontaneity out of your love life - try this incredible line on your other half, it works a treat:

'shall we do it this morning; then we won't have to do it tonight'.

to think that its something we used to do for fun!

Kitty im on metformin at the moment 1 in the morning and two at night but my BG's arent that stable so my dose needs adjusting again - i have a horrid feeling that me taking isulin permanently is looming as my last hba1c was high (thats my own fault i only wish i had your dedication to eating properly)I do have to go straight on to insulin the minute im pg because of my BG's. I really admire how dedicated you are about keeping yours stable, i guess its because you have type 1. Im still a little bit in denial i suppose as i only found out after DS was born 22 months ago that i have it permanently now after having 4 bouts of gestational diabetes in my pgs. Im going to address the weight thing this coming year and hopefully that will help matters too. Im scared of insulin as i got some really nasty hypo's at the end of my pg with DS - my placenta was starting to deteriorate and so the insulin requirement was lessening and i was getting middle of the night hypo's - scary!

Any snow yet? We had a little last night and it was lovely but thats all so far - it sure is cold now though! Im trying not to think about being on the 2ww at the moment and just concentrating on the rest of the month, i think im pretty organised now though - just a few last minute bits and bobs to buy foodwise next week and thats it.

DD's broke up from school today and eldest DD from college - hooray! Im looking forward to a few weeks off the school run thats for sure.

Hope you are all doing ok today and no one is snowed in!

Hello Ilovekitty, hope you had a nice relaxing evening with some wine and your feet up - you were having such a bad day yesterday. Let us know how you're getting on.

Weekend's here!!

Thanks ladies for your kind words....really i just need to maintain a better attitude...life isn't easy and isnt't meant to be. Sometimes I take things for granted and I know from past experience that every time something doesnt run smoothly there is something to be learnt from it; maybe in this case its going to be appreciate what you have now as babies might not happen; equally it could be appreciate your babies when you have them. listen to me trying to be all pragmatic...who am kidding?!

rosie just saw your bit about BG and knowing you are pregnant...no pissing about with diabetes is there !! are you on insulin or 'lucky' enough to manage with diet?! (much as i would prefer not to have insulin in my life at least i can eat what i want...)

knackered...you know so much about everything! it wasn't until all this occured that i found out that a child with down's has a hugely increased likelihood of type 1. to be fair to myself i manage mine obsessively to the extent that if a doctor took a sample of my blood and measured the glycolated haemoglobin percentage(a measure of blood glucose levels over the past 3 months) he or she would not suspect that i had diabetes; it takes a lot of hard work and micromanagement to get to that state and i know many perfectly intelligent individuals that struggle with that; i cringe at the thought of how an individual with special needs would manage the condition without a plethora of horrible side effects.

i still maintain that if someone here would get a sticky bun in the oven quick smart we would all be a lot happier and more hopeful!!!

big hugs to all

Welcome back Rosie

Kitty - echo what KC posted above. I have 2 autoimmune conditions and got referred to an obstetrician to look at managing my health in pregnancy (am not pg, but it reassured me) and although I may have to take lots of meds and potentially spend more time in hospital than I would wish to (but again I may not at all) at least I know that.

Enjoy that wine KC. Am in 2ww also, but apart from enjoying no baby making sex, am just going to carry on as normal!!

Welcome back Rosie.

We are not here to judge Kitty. We are here to support and lend an ear.

Kitty It is a very personal choice and nobody should judge you. If I was in your position I would have made the same difficult decision. Type 1 diabetes as a co-morbidity to Down's could be very serious indeed.

Understand about your diabetes. One of DH's close friends is a Type 1 diabetic and in both her pregnancies she's been really quite unwell and control has been poor.

I really feel for you. You're having such a hard time of it at the moment.

Thanks for the welcome knackered :) Ive missed you all!

So sorry to read about your pg that ended at 14 weeks kitty i left these threads for a couple of months because i had a couple of chemical pregnancys (early ms) and i was really disheartened. Im definately not going to test (unless i get some really full on symptoms) until the day after AF is due from now on - ive even made sure that there are no htp's in the house.

By charting too i can tell exactly when AF is coming as every morning my temp has dropped i go to the loo, wipe and there she is. I can really understand your mindset about thinking that something will go wrong almost automatically if you do find that you are pg but statistically it might but there again it might not. I had a horrid ms at 11.5 weeks 2.5 years ago and that really made me wary but 8 months later i was pg again and have lovely ds now so i guess it really does go to show that not every pg is the same. BTW i get the same with my BG levels as im a type 2 - they go nuts really quickly - are you on a higher dose of Folic Acid? I expect so - FWIW i tested in my second pg and got a really high chance of having downs with DD2 luckily it was ok for me but like you i wouldnt (and havent) had any tests again (have had two children since).

kitty i think you made the best choice for you, and i hope, like for all of us that the need for making such a devastating choice never arises again xx

knackered cow - i generally prefer not to share this because i feel like i will be judged because it was 'only downs' but it was T21 - downs, and she wasnt doing well. I had opted not to have a nuchal scan because i always felt that i would never have a termination if it was downs (we actually all thought it was going to be a 'not compatible with life' condition as our chance of downs was only 1 in 5 and it as obvious from nuchal and lack of nasal bone that something was very wrong)...anyhow, things changed and we just didnt want to bring that little girl into the world and live with constant health problems and prejudices; and the fact that i have type 1 diabetes and a child with downs is more likely to get type 1 meant that her chances of having that would be pretty bad...

im sorry if this upsets anyone; i know many of you have been trying forever and would make a very different choice to me. i dont think i would make the same choice again; not because i think i did the wrong thing, but somehow things can happen once by accident, but twice it is more a destiny thing to my mind (genetics tests showed the T21 in our baby was non hereditary but lightening can strike twice cant it?)

next time im not testing... trouble is, both times i have known within days of conception; the main thing is actually the diabetes, my hormones go wild and it affects my insulin requirements pratically the moment i conceive so its bloody obvious!

i know what we have experienced so far is probably just pure bad luck, but you know how it gets when you have a lot of bad things happen in quick succession, the 'normal' pattern becomes the abnormal one and you get to this mindset that you'd actually be more surprised if something went right....

poor you in that 2 week wait it sucks; dont feel guilty about carrying on as normal, its easier said than done but putting life on hold puts even more pressure on...

Hi Ladies

Stats for today, including RosiePosey. Welcome Back! Nice to see you again

In School
AnytimeNOW TTC#3, Cycle #6, CBFM Cycle 5, age 38, UCL 28, CD52
Michelle2222 TTC#2, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL?, CD49
Birdietimesthree TTC#1, Cycle #3, CBFM Cycle 2, age 36, UCL 24-25, CD42
IzzyWizzyletsgetbusy TTC#3 Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 4, age 34, UCL 26-30 CD42
Ses TTC#2, cycle #5, CBFM cycle #7, age 37, UCL 28-30, CD39
Missyraines TTC#1, Cycle #13, CBFM Cycle 8, age 33, UCL 32, CD34
Sufferingbabyfever TTC#1, Cycle #4, CBFM Cycle 1, age 27, UCL 28 , CD33
wantbaby TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM cycle 6, age 38, UCL 30, CD29
CrazyAlien TTCno.1 cycle 5 CBFM Cycle 2 age 28 UCL 31-35??! CD27
Lychees TTC#2, Cycle #14, CBFM cycle 10, Aged 36, UCL 30-35, CD25
Twowoulddo TTC#2, Cycle #6, CBFM cycle 1?, Aged 31, UCL 31, CD24
Keziah TTC#1, Cycle #28, CBFM Cycle 16, age 35, ucl 28-31, CD21
ZebedeetheZebra TTC#2, age 43, UCL TMI!, CD20
PinkCustard TTC#2, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 7, age 34, UCL 30-32, CD19
KnackeredCow TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM Cycle 4, age 31, UCL 28, CD18
IloveKittyElise TTC#1, Cycle 2, CBFM Cycle 2, age 34, UCL 28, CD16
Rosieposey TTC#5, Cycle #12, CBFM Cycle 6, age 38, UCL 29-35, CD16
Fr00tbat TTC#1, Cycle 6, CBFM Cycle 2, age 32, UCL 30-38 (av 34), CD15
Boba82 TTC#1 Cycle 19, CBFM cycle 6, age 28, UCL 30 (FX), CD14
Roastie TTC#1, Cycle #23, CBFM Cycle 1, age 32, UCL 29, CD11

The Dog Ate My Homework
EmmaC29 TTC#1, Cycle #11, CBFM Cycle 1, age 29, UCL 26-29, CD69
Starlet22 TTC#1, Cycle #15, CBFM cycle 9, age 34, ucl 25, CD61
Littlefan TTC#1, Cycle 9, CBFM cycle 2 , age 31, UCL 32-38, CD54

Graduates
Emmylou30 BFP 22/10/10
MissLolita BFP 30/10/20
Notnearly BFP 6/11/10
StormBird BFP 10/11/10

Kitty I'm goingto have some wine tonight. And I'm on the 2ww - past caring now. Sounds awful....

With respect to the trisomy, which chromosome was it? Have you been referred for genetic counselling? Where I live there's a good genetics service and women can be referred for screening with respect to the risks for future pregnancies. Maybe something like that might reassure you?

My best friend had a DS nearly two years ago and he has a very rare genetic condition caused by a gene mutation. It can be spontaneous (ie mutation occurs during the development of an egg or sperm) or inherited meaning the parents would be carriers. After he was diagnosed when he was 4 months old they took a sample of his blood to locate the mutation. Once they had this, they then tested her blood and her DH's blood to establish if they were carriers. Fortunatly, they aren't. However, they were referred for counselling with respect to the risk of having another affected child when they decided to try for number 2. She found the counselling really useful as it clarified the exact risks of being affected again. In their case, they were told their chance of having another child with the condition was no more than any other couple and that was very reassuring for her. She's expecting number 2 in February and all the scans have been normal

Please try not to worry too much. 50 - 60% of conceptions miscarry very early without the woman even knowing she was pregnant. You've just been unlucky and I am sure nothing untoward has happened due to the D&C. Perhaps it might be a good idea for you to try to avoid early testing in your circumstances (If you can). Don't want to patronise. I'd ignore that advice and test anyway, but I am just too impatient!

I agree that alcohol in moderation isn't going to do any harm. Look how many pregnancies are unplanned while people are happily carrying with their moderate drinking habits. 9 months (almost)without alcohol is quite sufficient thank you very much!