TTC after MC, ERPC anyone want to join me??

Morning!

Really sorry I didn't get back the other day, I'm really struggling atm. It's 7 weeks today since our horrible scan, and I feel worse than I did 2-3 weeks ago. Is it normal, or am I a complete freak??!

I had yesterday am off to get my hair done, but pulled a sickie in the afternoon and just sat on the sofa and moped really. I did phone the Miscarriage Association and have the number of a peer to peer lady. Just need to phone her I guess....... I'm now on 2ww, and I really don't know which would be worse, bfp or bfn.

worm - sounds promising!!!

yellow - I'll second your drunken binges theory. When I had dd I got a bfn so had a hugely drunken girls night out. Felt a little weird the next despite the hangover so poas again and got a bfp!

I'm out tomorrow, but think it's more of a sedate evening. Plus not had a drink since November...

Wombat - enjoy your shopping.

Wellie wow, lots of pma!

In work today, then tonight I need to do some housework. Tomorrow I have ebay stuff to post, and an appointment with out letting agent. Our landlord has decided to sell the house and offered us first refusal. No way!! Nice house, but needs a lot of work, and they want too much for it. Plus my savvy father says to hang on again! So need to find out how this is going to work. Typically dh is working tomorrow.

ah wellie sorry that the witch got you.....sounds like it would have been a difficult month to conceive anyway. Have some not sure what time it is there but I think if it is the opposite of here it must be wine drinking time!

wombat That weekend thing would take a bit of getting used to, it's so ingrained. And starting the week on Sunday too.....how long have you been there? Would you still like to move to NZ or did the events put you off?

worm any more news/symptoms? So if af doesn't come you can POAS Sat/Sun? Come on, we need another win!

Morning wombat and whoever else may come along later,

well I am back to CD1 today and trying too hard to see it as an opportunity :)

we really didn't have a hope this month with the move and dh's grandma dying and the NZ trip which was lovely but was all spent staying in other people's houses [wink}

anyhow - it's looking good for worm so I shall hang out for news!

waves to everyone else!

ooooooh worm - I don't know if I can hang on til tomorrow to find out...! Sweet of your DH to let you sit out on the rides .

yellow - yes, the weekend here is Fri/Sat. In Saudi it's Thu/Fri which is even weirder. It probably took me 3 years to get used to it and kept referring to saturday as sunday and sunday as monday - old habits die hard! Only got stuck into 1 glass of as I was driving last night. Went with a friend to see her gorgeous 7 year old at her riding lesson and had such a nice time chatting to the other mums and I got to drive the daughter back to their place and we had so much fun chatting in the car - it made me realise that I really, really want one of our own.... sigh.....

Here's to your drunken binge theory!

Off shopping now (need a few bits and bobs as most of it is still in Christchurch!) - hope you all have a great Friday.

oooh worm that does sound promising.....keep us updated please.

mana like wombat says that seems to have gone by so fast but I'm sure it doesn't feel like that for you.

So I'm a bit slow wombat but does that mean your weekend is Friday and Saturday? So it's like Friday night there for you now and you're probably getting stuck into some vino? Even though it's Thurs here, I'll be having some vino too.....because Thurs is the new Friday..but I'll have some Friday too! (sticking to my drunken binges=pregnancy theory)

sparkly where are yoooouuu...

Excuse my bad spelling there.......

Hi Ladies
You all seem to be getting to know your bodies very well the temping stuff is facinating!
Well I am now on knicker alert. AF due on fri/sat, and we travel back on sat.
My boobs have definately been bigger and firmer every night when I go to bed, not sore though, but by morning they are back to golf balls in socks, so I dunno!!! If I had been at home I would have caved in an POAS but can't go and buy one and kids not see while I am here. DH thinks I am though and even let me sit out some of the rides yesterday "just in case".
Also I felt sick on some rides on week 3 of cycle, but fine now ??? weird. I am pretty sure we fertalized an egg but whether it sticks I am doubting......
But you never know ey?
Hope you are all ok
xxx

11 weeks mana ! Wow, that seems to have gone quick (although I'm sure super slow for you). Let us know when you get your scan date so we can do virtual hand-holding for you.

sparkly - all ok with you? It's been a bit quiet from down your way of late and I would have thought you'd have a thing or two to say about fanjo-cam!

worm - are you back yet? I think AF is due for you fri / sat and with your super on-time-to-the-hour cycle, we will all be sitting here with bated breath....

1 hour til the weekend for me - it can't come quick enough....

excellent - loving the fanjo exploration in work loos and fanjo cam on work desktop! I am in the safety of work at home mode but off to catch a train soon so my cervix eductation will have to wait ;-)

erotic dream about gandalf.... surely the weirdness of that qualifies as a pg symptom!

wombat, am 11 weeks now so should hopefully get a scan in next couple of weeks that should be reassuring if good news.

Thanks pecka and good going on the SWI front - here's to perseverance paying off.

I know, I know yellow - wtf indeed! All I will say is that what he was doing with his hands was pretty magic. I have had erotic dreams about all sorts of random people before, but this one is a first for me too..... - I saw a pic of him yesterday on a news article which must be what triggered it. Might keep the dreams to myself in future

Thanks for that v helpful summary on temps yellow - hope that's not what has lead to the headache. Most impressed with your fitness trail at the moment.

Blimey! Just taken a look at the fanjo-cam pics and text. It really is fascinating - trying to sneak a look while I'm at work is a bit tricky though - hand hovering by the minimise button all the time!

Morning all

wombat Gandalf??? wtf? How odd......have you watched the film recently? I really cannot imagine how that can be arousing but I think it's probably best left that way!

re temping as I understand it......the cycle is in two halves, pre and post ov. Pre ov temps are lower, on the day you ov you may have a dip but straight after ov they rise. If temps rise and stay risen for 3 consecutive days this is a sign that ov occurred. Temps go down again from up to 5 days before your period........or not if you a pg.

so in terms of ov, temps are not that good for predicting but can tell when/if it happened. And then over the months that should be a pattern so it can help to pin point the exact time.

well, that's my understanding anyway.

and here is the cervix photo thing cervix

What CD you on pecka? what is normal cycle length...let's have a look at your chart?

good work on the SWI wombat

I had a headache all day yesterday and it seems to be the same today so far. Acupuncturist said it is to do with neck tension/stiffness so I'm going to Pilates in a bit to see if that helps.

ahhhh thanks wombat, im not sure whats going on, but feel like ive covered all bases, swi from day 8 right up until i think i ovulate, then every other day till af arrives if it doesnt show!!talk about commited!!! Good luck with ur swi.... X

yellow - just took a look at your chart - a very clear rise in temps - rather interesting.

pecka - v v sorry, I have just done a bit more reading and it's not rising temps but temps that remain high for 18 days or more post ov that are a good sign - I've copied and pasted this from an ovulation website:

"Post-ovulatory temps will remain high for a period usually 12 to 16 days until they drop again when your cycle ends and menstrual period begins. If pregnancy takes place temperatures will remain elevated throughout the entire pregnancy."

I am slapping myself now for being so stupid as to think I knew what I was talking about re: temps - sorry again pecka.

Morning all - trust you all had good beauty sleeps! Mine was a bit interrupted by weird but rather arousing dreams about Gandalf (from Lord of the Rings....!) - bit to give any more details!

The good news is that I got a smiley face on the ov stick this morning post early morning SWI so we will SWI again tomorrow morning to up our chances. Very odd as no EWCM around at all since the unexpected lot on Sunday.

pecka - sounds as if your body is confused too. Could you have ov'd a couple of days ago? Don't want to raise any false hopes, but rising temps can be a v good sign post ov....

hi all, hope your all well?? God what an intersting conversation uve all been having, i think the web sites called my beautiful cervix, one word!! Amazing!!!
yellow cant get my head round that ff web site going to look on the weeknd when i have more time, my temps have risen the last three days 97,97.5 and today 98, still no ov lines on the pos yet??? And no cm??? Confused.com xxx

Interesting reading about the mooncup yellow - I have to confess to being a bit squeamish about them before but I think they could be very valuable. Loving the expression "familiar with the fanjo" - talking of which, i tried the squatting thing, but it just made entry all that more difficult as everything seemed to squash together, IYKWIM - sorry if TMI. Perhaps me and my cervix opening are never meant to meet....! Will perhaps try again in the comfort of my own bathroom rather than work toilets!

Morning all

pecka in case you didn't find it the mooncup is here mooncup I found it a bit tricksy to begin with but think I've got the hang of it now......I do much prefer it. But you have not to be squeamish about your flow and not adverse to getting familiar with the fanjo

Re charting, it usually only tells you when you have ov'd it's not good at predicting it. So you essentially have a slight temp drop and then your temp goes up and stays up. When the temp has been raised for 3 days then ff will confirm ovulation. But it does get a bit confused sometimes. But my EWCM, cycle dates and temps all said the same thing this month. If it helps here is my chart you can see cos of a dip on day 11 ff initially thought I'd ov'd on that day then after 3 temps over 98 it changed it's mind an agreed with what I'd thought of day 13. What day are you on? What is normal cycle length? Have you have EWCM.

And another thing regarding ov sticks it happened to me that i'd get a +ve in the am and a -ve in the afternoon or the other way round. Was most confusing.

I am v impressed with the SWI efforts ladies, gold stars and custard creams all round. (except for me, day 2 on the diet!)

mana so glad things are progressing well, hopefully you'll be able to start relaxing a little bit soon.

wombat i didn't for one moment think you've be checking your fanjo at your desk! whatever next! have you had another try? Do keep us updated...

sparkly what CD are you on? I think you're slightly ahead of me?

Ah - have just re-read about the shiny floor and cubicles - I mean in the toilets rather than our desk cubicles!

yellow - forgot to say that glad you and ff are in agreement. Fingers crossed for the herbs!

Well, I thought we were all getting a bit too sensible on here in worm's absence so thought it only right to bring us down to base level again!

Anyhoo, thanks for all the tips. At work now so will try and see if I can get a chance to do the squat-feel later if there's no-one else around - we have an unfortunately shiny floor with a gap at the bottom separating the cubicles so you can end up seeing more than you bargained for .....! Makes sense re: the shorter / longer squatting / standing thing. at sparkly description of "unfeasibly large" fanjo - I prefer to think of it as "lean and slender"....! Ha - who am I kidding?! I guess length is prefarable to width? Re: the drunk tampon thing - tick from me - have you ever accidentally forgotten you have one there and end up with two? Tick from me again! Hmm.... just realised that doesn't help quash the unfeasibly large wombat fanjo rumour does it?!

Mana - fab to hear from you and soooo glad the spotting has abated. Will you get your dating scan this friday at your appt? Can you remind me of your dates - brain like a sieve? Thanks and also for sending your pg hormones - keep 'em coming

pecka - v glad to hear that charting is working well so far and your DH sounds like a real trooper. re: the fanjo cam - do you have the link? I'm weirdly fascinated by it

worm - glad you found the power cut and fireman rescue so funny (were the firemen dead sexy?) - were there any over-dramatic Americans there too threatening to sue and all sorts? When are you back in the UK? Fingers crossed you won't be needing that sanitary ware!

I seem to be all over the place right now - haven't had any more EWCM since the unexpected lot on Sunday and 3 POAS and no smiley face.... have no idea if I have ov'd or not. We are still at it daily though in vain hope.....

Lovely to hear from you mana and the spotting has stopped, here's to an un-eventfull rest of your pregnancy...nyt all, swi again tonight x

hello all and WELCOME BACK WOMBAT
Sorry, have lost track of things on here, been hiding from MNet recently to avoid panicking myself again. Really nice to catch-up with everyone.
Glad you NZ adventureres were all OK in the end despite going through the mill. Glad to hear that the wedding still went ahead - so right about valuing family and friends in times like that. Must all seem v surreal for you both to have been there and now feel far away.
Very excited re talk of symptoms and 2wws, am keeping my fingers crossed and sending all my pg hormones your way. Not heard from any of my fellow nervously pg posters recently, hope you're ok if you're lurking.
mmmmmmm worm, American food.. love it. Good to hear you've all had fun despite the sleeping arrangements ;-) Hope you get plenty of SWI action in to make up for your abstinence.
Liking the drunken wedding tale and the determination of dh making the most of the opportunity - he's obviously been reading the boards ;-)
Great job news - fingers v firmly crossed.
V interesting cervix talk, thanks...erm... i think ;-)

Well update from me is that today I had no spotting at all - only the 4th or 5th day clear in last month. Thanks for all supportive messages, am not cross with mw or consultant. Mw was worried, consultant wasn't, just glad i got to see them both and have the scan all within a few days. am having my proper booking appt on Friday which i am quite excited about and she says i can still have a dating scan in the next couple of weeks. Was worried i wouldn't get one. Not having nuchal as haven't done so with last 3 pgs and really have had enough of worrying over unknown risks. Just want to make sure the heart is still beating. Then we can tell more people although someone at work today guessed cos i do look pretty pregnant! Am experimenting with a variety of baggy clothes but it isn't working that well.

Anyway, sorry for rambling and weary post. Should be in bed as I have no energy after approx 3pm.

Take care all xxx

not sure yellow my first month of charting, did another ov stick and it was just one line, so maybe my eyes are deceiving me..... also did ov sticks for the last two days and nothing, so maybe i haven't ov'd yet?? so yes swi continues tonight, even though im not feeling too well, diarea, my poor hubby, he really has to put up with alot from me!!! bless....

im googling moon cups as we speak, thanks yellow. x

Whoo hoo does that mean you need to do another SWI or has the ship sailed?

Mooncup is a silicon type egg cup you can use instead of tampax. Will link tomorrow when I am not on my phone!

two lines on the ov sticks!!! Slightly more exciting especially as my temps has risen this morning!!! Charting seems to be working....

sorry yellow