Charter's Anonymous: Volume 3, here's to better luck this time for us all!

Oh no - had a rubbish nights sleep and DS woke up at 5.30am and I was so shocked he had slept the whole night that I jumped out of bed and forgot to take my temp.

Will this mess it all up?!?!

Evening all.

MrsA I check my cervix but it always seems to be the same (if I am thinking its the right thing ) - same place and v slightly open. RE SWI-ing, don't worry about just SWI-ing, look at it as a good excuse!!

digi I am very sorry the book made you feel depressed. I did some work a couple of years ago with the Recurrent Miscarriage Centre and St Mary's Hospital in Paddington which have a very high success rate with RMC. Just in case you are interested! I wish you the best of luck with it all and hope to see your story have a happy ending on here one day!

mousebacon I think blood streaked EWCM could be from egg bursting IIRC. Someone cleverer than me can probably confirm/rubbish that!

batteryhen is your DH in Germany??

My temps are still up so still waiting. DH away now until Thursday so have to wait for him to test. Still, means I won't waste and PG tests if AF arrives before then - I was a bit moody today so AF probably on her way, will see if I feel like bursting into tears in the next few days, that's usually a surefire sign. Right DS regressing to sleep pattern of a newborn so I'm off to bed.

If LadyG is lurking - what a lovely temp rise you have!! &

DG never been able to check my cervix - can't seem to master it/arms too short!

I had more EWCM today too, plus more ov pain, so am sure FF has it wrong and I will ov tomorrow or tues i think. That'll be CD22 and 23 though, which is late for me like last cycle.
Have warned DP more is needed! Given we've been SWI since last Saturday, he's feeling fairly knackered and we're starting to only SWI when it's my fertile week(s), which is not good.

I did have another question but can't remember it.
Happy Sunday everyone..

Hello :) have finally surfaced after a lovely weekend .....

So my temps have not gone up so no ov for me this weekend - it was a long shot though. I have thoroughly confused FF - I feel it accusing me that I always OV on cd15 - and am now 17 with no sign.... I am quite up beat, once I get into a pattern I can arrange flights accordingly. I have warned work that there may be a time where I need to drop everything and fly off to germany for a couple of days - I don't think anyone would dare argue with that at the moment!

mrsa have you given yourself a talking to yet? I think our bodies just fling a bit of EWCM at us every so often to confuse the hell out of us.

I hope everyone had a good weekend x

mouse got this during my last WTF cycle. Might have been ewcm but I didn't ovulate following it. However I did get pink ewcm in my last cycle - and got a bfp. So I guess the moral of the story is to take it as potential fertile sign, but don't be surprised if you get lots of weird spotting this cycle.

Do you know if that woman finally got a diagnosis and treatment after her 7 mc's (how heartbreaking) or whether she just kept trying?

I'd probably feel that way too digi it seems like the next step for you really. I was told about a woman I know through a friend who'd had her DS then had 7 miscarriages and is now 25 weeks with a healthy pregnancy. Apparently she was told she was unable to carry girls and to just hope for another boy. What's she having? A girl. Just goes to show; there are little glimmers of hope out there.

I've just noticed I've got blood streaked cm. Had this the other day and thought it might have been a post sex thing but defo not the case today so am a bit confused

hope everyone else is well x

mrsa cant see your chart, but are you checking your cervix position at all? I always found that when it was really obviously closed, combined with no ewcm and some sort of temp shift that i had definitely ovulated.

I think DH would go with whatever I wanted to do, obviously wouldn't force me to keep trying if I said let's wait. So we probably need to have another chat. All of which is currently beside the point as I did a test this morning and it came up with a very faint positive. So still need to get these hcg hormones out.

I went for another run this morning and thought about wanting to try and catch that post-mc fertility and maybe that combined with aspirin might be the magic formula. The only actual prescribed treatment out there that may benefit me if I have tests to prove it is daily injections of heparin combined with aspirin. Seems so medicalised. I'm still desperately hoping that my body can sustain a pregnancy on it's own. Which makes me think I want to give it one more try but using aspirin. Again this is all assuming I can even get pg again in the next two cycles. We've been ttc for so long now that I don't think we know how to not. How do you ignore the ewcm?

I think I need to take my body outside and give it a stern talking to!

I got a big glob of EWCM and ov pain yesterday and this morning (pain, not EWCM) and my temps shifted slightly up. FF now says I ov CD14!!
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All my opks have been -ve, though last Sunday I got a faint 2nd line and then agaain on Friday night - officially -ve but confusing!

As my LP is never more than 12 days, that can't be right. The EWCM is the sort I normally see around ov - no mistaking it. I have had a drink Fri and Sat night but no more than normal - just a glass with tea.
Getting quite frustrated......

DG only you can know what is best for you but sometimes having too much information can overload you when you are a bit fragile. Some people would advise you to wait and be armed with what is going on, others would say keep going, especially if it would be 6months for the tests.
Only you know but as you said, you have time on your side as you're still young.
What does your DH think? Perhaps give yourselves a break until the new year and eat drinkl and be merry at xmas? But that's possibly what I would do (but have never had a mc so don't rally know) - go by your instincts.

Think it's robuitissin. But the active ingredient is guafeni-something which can be found in uk cough medicine. But surely with an abundance of ewcm you don't need it mrsa!

Started charting today as I thought bleeding had stopped. But no am still spotting quite a bit so prob a long long way off from egg appearing.

Also read the book I ordered which, as a recurrent miscarrier, has made me feel quite depressed. Am now wondering if I should wait for the tests as being armed with knowledge (even if that is knowing there are no answers) is supposed to help me deal with my next pregnancy. Bugger.

Had it all worked out in my head. Now I'm wondering if I'm being stupidly impatient.

Quick qn - what is the cough medicine that encourages EWCM? It begins with R I tink?

Still no definite temp rise here, sigh, so SWI continues. Shouldn't complain really but it becomes so clinical after a bit.

But, got loads of EWCM today, so expect to ov in next few days. Still a longer pre ov phase than usual.

And I find it quite easy to tell the difference between EWCM and sperm - my EWCM is very thick and not very clear but very stretchy. Sperm is much thinner and does smell a bit stonger!

Any thoughts on my chart here?

Good sweet lord above -I miss one day and come back to a tissue sniffing conversation

Actually, it is good timing..... I had a look when I went to the loo today and thought - now is that me or DH?

Well I don't think ovulation is happening any time soon - I got some creamy cm for about a day then nothing. Anyhow - I had my HCG done on thursday and it was 12 (should be below 5) so I think maybe another 2 weeks - which may work out ok as I will be with DP by then too.... god I am exhausted making all these plans!!

It is lovely having dp home- I am busy doing the domestic godess thing so had better dash - hope everyone is ok xxxxx

In my defence I've gotta say that it started cos someone thought her DH might be faking cos he was tired and he wanted to stop. I said wouldn't there be evidence if he hadn't achieved his goal and that's how we got into the difference between EW and sperm.

See, even old bird can have quite cheeky conversations!

Told you we were all grossed out when we discussed it. The things we talk about on MN!!!

ooooh, I'm not that obsessed that I'll start sniffing tissues

Suffering - can you also adjust the temps on day 7/8 as that is effecting where your coverline should be and it may move it back again if you change those?

Also I conceived last time from a SWI two days before ov so all is not lost! Those sperm can hang around for a while!

I take Evening Primrose oil for EWCM in lead up to ovulation (not after though as can interfere with implantation)

Ifat not sure. I'm quite poor at identifying cm when semen is around. End up putting down as "Watery" and then putting in my notes that I suspect was a bit spermy. You can tell proper egg white as it clumps togeteher in a glass of water and you can still fish it out and stretch it whereas semen will dissipate.

I think it would have to be a good 24 hours or so. We had a really gross conversation on the over 40's thread about how to tell the difference. To cut a long story short it came down to smelling the tissue (sperm has a more pungent smell). Oh God I can't believe I'm bringing that conversation up again. We we're all totally embarrassed on the other thread .

There is also a trick you can do with a glass of water. One floats and one sinks but I don't know which is which - you could google.

Lastly, sperm is a bit more of a creamy colour whereas EWCM is clear. Having said all that, they are difficult to tell apart. Basically I start SWI once i get EW and then just keep going 'til i think i've Ov'd.

good luck.

Yep - I'm on the grapefruit juice this month as my CM is never anything to get excited about.

How long do you reckon after SWI can you safely assume that it's CM you are finding and not left over semen?

ladygg thanks for the advice. Changed those temps. And it moved it to day 16. Not so good for me. Oh well better luck next month I guess!

hippy I know what you mean I never thought I would ever be discussing the consistency of my CM with anyone. Actually I never thought I'd be paying so much attention to it!

Might give the grapefruit juice a go. But I personally hate it. Might hold my nose and force it though!

sufferingbabyfever I was reading on another thread that a glass of grapefruit juice a day will help you to make the good kind of mucus. The juice can't be from concentrate apparently (but i don't see why).

Might be worth a go. I was gonna buy some fresh grapefruit juice but I forgot and then got plenty of EWCM anyway. I am lucky that I do seem to get lots of that (something I never thought I'd be so pleased about ).

Basically just get some on your finger and thumb and then open them up - if the fluid stretched from one to the other without breaking - it's the good kind. HTH.

XX

I think it's dead funny that you all share charts with each other and by doing so you tell each other when you shagged!! Ha Ha.

We do things on here we'd never do in real life. I can't imagine wandering into the playgound at school pick up time and saying, "We'll we shagged this morning cos I had stretchy cervical mucus."

At least when I charted it was on a piece of paper by the side of the bed so you lot couldn't see what a nympho I was - (that's a joke by the way!)

I still think 12 or 13 looking at it given temps before day 12 may be aberrant (I guess these were weekend lie ins?). Were you also drinking quite a bit night before as this can affect your temps?

To adjust temps go to data/temperature Correcter. Would just do it for those weekend wake ups to see what it does.

This is good link for defining your mucus type. I have to check internally for it by the way as not much seems to come out. You're looking out for stuff that is stretchy, hopefully clear but think stretchiness is the key.

Also does anyone know of anything anywhere that can help you decide what type of CM you have? I find this quite difficult and it worries me that maybe I don't get enough EWCM. But then potentially I've had it but ont realise?

I put the temps back in. Without adjustment as Im not really sure how to do that.

Now it has changed the Ov day to day 13. But I now have a weird below the coverline area in the chart post ovulation!

Im sure I just need more practise at charting to get it right in future!

Hi there. I think you are discarding too many temperatures to be sure of the interpretation. You shouldn't discard them unless you've been sick or something - as long as you've had three hours sleep before. If they are way off i.e if you woke up 2 or 3 hours later than normal there is a temp adjuster on there that you could use but use with caution. FF is unsure as you're not feeding it enough data!

It will also be unsure as you have reported EWCM after ovulation.

I think you should put the discarded temps back in (with adjustment if necessary) as you may have spiked and then had a fallback rise pattern, potentially ovving on cd12? But that isn't quite consitent with your cm pattern - day 15 wet could be semen residue though. Not sure about day 18 although you can have a second surge of oestrogen in Luteal phase that may account for that.

Hope that helps, am sure others will ahve more thoughts!