Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your cake, wine and tightie whities and join us for more ranting, weeping and most of all, laughing. All welcome (Part 6)

WHOOP nickster - it sucks that DH isn't around for you to make the most of it, but v. good that you know what your body's up to this month! Yay! Am even excited about my pee stick machinery's immenent arrival now! Going on your experience I'm going to drink juice like it's going out of fashion from now on! Pineapple or grapefruit right? Any particular time of the month or just all the way through?

Hey kat and wombat hope you're both ok.

izzy not pathetic at all, it's not an easy thing to put out there but like you say, I think it is a very positive thing to do

Hello to everyone else, hope you've all had good days!

hi nickster that is good news about your opk but shame you can't make the most of it! Still at least you know it is working for the next time.

MA you must be at the end of your tether with all the frustration about no AF. Go away and don't come back till pg is not the most helpful advice from the doctor. Can you get a second opinion?

inbetweener hope it is less icky tomorrow. What a pointlessly unhelpful comment from your GP! Glad you are getting the referral for tests though.

PFF I also had everything shift by nearly a week for no reason last month. Therefore missed the window despite having put lots of effort in when I thought the window should have been. Very annoying. Hope it will be normal this month as that would mean the crucial days fall over next weekend. Much easier!

LADIES ! my faith in OPKS is restored. We have an OVULATION ON day 23!!!!!!!!! WHOOP WHOOP shame DH is in brighton :( Im also very hot.!!

It would seem that fruit juice of any kind can increase cervical mucas?!

4 hours, i only cut and pasted & deleted it a few times before posting it :)

pink - glad it was a bfn in the circumstances, I think mc does funny things to your body. My periods have been shorter but heavier for example. I've only had a brief conversation with acupuncturist but she said sometimes it takes longer for your body to get back to normal after a mc than after a full term pg, because the natural process has been "interrupted" partway through.

velvet - any news? (and while we're here has anyone heard from BrownB ?)

mummyabroad sorry AF is taking so long to arrive. That must be so frustrating. Could you get to see someone else? It would probably be a good idea to get a second opinion, just to put your mind at rest, otherwise google will drive you crazy imagining portents of doom from dawn to dusk. Fx you don't have to wait too long.

inbetweener - pleased you've managed to get a referral, sorry your gp was unhelpful re age!! Like we don't all know it gets harder with time!!!

mamap enjoy westonbirt, it is truly lovely in Autumn

nicks sorry you're feeling rubbish too. I agree re temping etc, it is a good idea if for no other reason than at least you start to feel like you have some semblance of control. Hope you manage to work out your cycle soon.

Re facebook: do you know it took me about 4 hours of pasting then deleting before I got the courage to post that - how pathetic is that?! But I do feel better about it now, not everyone will assume I'm referring to myself anyway, and it's really quite enlightening and quite sad to see how many people "like" it because you know most of them have suffered through it too

Ah god it seems today everyone needs a bloody great big hoofing cuddle

Mummy i dont know what to say except wait it out another few days? Im so sorry you are still in bloody limbo :( I can feel your frustration from here :( perhaps your lining is just taking an extra long time its time to grow back ? Mind you saying that, its taken a while already! Googling should be banned.... i would have self diagnosed myself with uterine cancer as an interpretation of mid cycle spotting if it were up to google Is there any other fertility specialist you can possibly see privately out there? What alternatives are there to progesterone? Could they scan you to check the lining? I dont know what other options are - but god i bet you are frustrated :( Thinking of you toots mwah!

Hmm thanks for your comments, MA If my body is trying to ov, its taking a bloody long time to do it (without SWI too!!) and day 23 for OV? Hmmmmm... going home to POAS in a min...
Keep feeling my cervix it does seem high today, and softer, but then it felt like that a week ago

Guess none of our bodies are doing what they should be but that would be of course according to betweeners doctor that we are all old goats

Big hugs for mummya - google is scary but at least it empowers us to not just have to have blind trust in what the drs are saying. I think a second opinion is a great idea. I hope the massages are lovely!

I am just watching Jeremy Kyle - definitely puts things in perspective!

Right, I'm off to do a bit of work and then to try and get some sleep - this cold is pure evil, I feel horrible!! sooo going to have more sympathy for DH next time he has man flu if he's feeling like this!

Ok getting quite excited about the TTC classes I think I'd have a course for GPs making them read the pages here so they can understand the impact of there words and also so they can get a better idea of what is normal!!
inbetweener how unnecessary on the age front I'm 36 this year and I beat myself up enough on the age thing but on the otherhand I was one of the youngest in my ante natal class and my sister is having her second at 42. Yes the risks are higher but still on the low side. I hate the continuous dual messages sent by society ... wait until you have your career sorted etc and then don't wait too long ... I think there is a very small window of about 4 years where you can pop out babies

Oh Mummya so sorry to hear you are down. Big hugs xxx Did they not say, or did you not read somewhere that it can take up to two weeks for your period to return after you finish the progesterone?? So it could happen yet? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick?

Nicks sorry you are also feeling down. hope you get more luck with PFF's private doc. And you to PFF sorry to hear AF turned up. FWIW I also get clots, both before and after MC

Inbetweener glad your GP was helpful but about the age comments. That was definitely not necessary. Good luck when you go back to work.

AandRmum at TTC lessons! They are so necessary. One the one hand I'm spotting all sorts of symptoms now that I've never noticed before but are probably totally normal, and on the other hand I'm discovering that things I've been aware of/worried about for years that I thought were abnormal are not! Argh!

Mammap have a lovely trip!!

Good luck Velvet! Keeping everything crossed that the nausea is 'good' nausea and not just some bug.

Hello to Jam, apple, caribou, Izzy, choccy, mousebacon, ladyBee (Chutney sounds fab!!) and anyone else I've missed!

Hello ladies

Big hugs for Pink Nickster Inbetweener and anyone else who needs one today. Sorry that you are all suffering.

Qucik moan from me:
I spent last light crying into my wine glass because AF hasnt arrived. Its been 14 weeks since the ERPC and the progesterone course hasnt worked. Even worse, because I temped, I KNOW I ovulated and got period pain and temps dropped around the time I should have had my period. Google says this is a sign of scarring of the uterus. I know google often says scary things to me that arent true, but I cant find ANY OTHER explanation. I dont want to go back to the gynecologist who did the ERPC, he checked me a month ago, said I was ovulating (when I wasnt) and that the lining was growing back and told me I was fine and not to come back until I was pregnant. So he is either crap or a liar. I think I will try and find a new gyne (again!) because I just dont trust this one anymore. I feel really angry that I tried to do everything I could to avoid an ERPC specifically because I was scared of something like this happening and now it has happened!!

end of moan.

On the bright side I am getting massage today, and another one tomorrow and another one the day after

Nickster - my random unqualified guesstheory is that your body is trying to ov - what about a cervix check to see if its open?

nicks I didn't get referral - GP thinks it's a rubbish idea. I self-referred to one private clinic but I didn't like the dr there and he wasn't suggesting a very broad range of tests. I was talking to a colleague at work who's wife has had several miscarriages (now successfully 30+ weeks!) and he recommended a clinic in London that follows a Dr Beer approach of testing for a broad spectrum including looking for NK cells etc. as well. I've only just completed application form so I'l let you know if they'll give me an appointment without referral. xx

betweener i wouldnt worry too much about the age thing, there are a few women on here who have conceived at 40+ and many of us who have MC who are under 30 (myself i am 34)

Good that you went to GP and WHOOP WHOOP for the referral....(my GP wont even refer me for a blood test after i conceived again... I was at the time being sent for tests due to long cycles) I am seriously thinking about going for bloods. Fondant how do you go about the private bloods? My doc wont refer me!

nicksteroo sorry, misunderstood about dtd - DH and I dtd a lot this month, but managed to have a week's break during the frikking critical window this month due to everything shifting by a week for absolutely no reason!! Ok so I know naff-all about EWCM but I would have thought without the back-up of the temps and OPKs you might well be ov-ing at the time you think you are but the CM is just doing its own thing? Chin-up hun, maybe the overwhelming urge to cry and screama and shout is a good thing - hormones gearing up for something exciting???

Hehe AandR thinking about my non-existent sex-ed lessons at school this really would have been quite extreme!!! TTC classes are a good idea - I completely thought chucking away the pill packet was all I needed to do....

Hey inbetweener glad GP was a semi-success - good news on the miscarriage clinic, at her going on and on at you about your age, what exactly was the need for that?! Fingers crossed bleeding will slow right down v. soon - mine was only very heavy for a couple of days, it's so much easier to cope with when it calms down.

KT how are you doing?

Hello all,
Wow all your posts make or really interesting reading , you all seem so wise and clued up !!

Well went to my GP this morning after dropping kids at school and she was nice. Am really bleeding loads so that was my main reason. She referred me to EPU where they did bloods and I have to go back thursday for more. She also referred me to the miscarriage clinic as this is the second time this has happened.

Soooo, I guess now just get back on he rollercoaster and try again. She went on and on about my age ( 36) and how if Im going to get pg I should do it soon or it will be too late. Er, yeah I know thats what im trying to do !!!
Anyway, will need to go back to work tommorrow and just hope the bleeding calms down as its really icky.

Thaks for your support and I guess here I am with you guys now trying again.
Well, in about 2 weeks

I know exactly what you mean AR we shouldnt have to resort to biology books at this age but where would we be without MN? Sat in the closet not knowing that anyone else is the same!

Swear to god, i am sitting it a hotel business lounge, tapping away on the old craptop wanting to cry such is my frustration. I WANT TO SHOUT AND SCREAM AT MY FUCKING BODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There thats better :) and am i a nutjob? Yes i think i am quite possibly turning into one.
Glad i am not alone, but sorry you are drowning too! I think i am turning into a SNAIL (far nicer than slugs)
Why do you think its PF? Mine are shot i know that :( cant remember the last time i slept through without peeing all night

Hum.... actually i have been eating loads of brazil nuts.... wonder if that has influenced anything.... have loads of selenium in them apparently! Selenium helps swimmers but i dont think that it increases the amount of fluid unless i am mistaken!

Hi nicks almost relieved to see your post as I have been suffering from an excess of pant snot. I am starting to worry that it is pelvic floor related (I think mine is in the basement). BTW I love this thread - where else can you have an in-depth discussion about ps. It is such a bewildering but sort of informative thing. We should really be taught more about these things in school > possibly more in ante- natal classes or TTC classes - does such a thing exist. If not I'll start one and invite you all along as guest speakers!!!

Sadly fondant we only dtd once on day 15 (hence the comments about missing the window this month :( so i dont think its by products) Swear to god i feel like crying. I know am being pathetic, but have always pretty much known when have ov'd before :(

Have bought a basel thermometre, TCOYF, not going there with CBFM just yet as i dont want to spend an absolute fortune!! A great big pack of OPKS and a pack of 25 pg tests for a fiver... fed up of paying tesco outrageous prices!!! Oh yes and pre-ordered a copy of toystory 3!! due out 22nd Nov (for DS of course!)... but forgot Eclipse... how could i forget Edward ?!?! ... now if only i was at home i could go POAS to get clarity!

Thanks everyone, good to know the clots post MC thing is relatively normal! mamap have fab couple of days away, sounds v. chilled out!

nicksteroony I am finding this cycles thing baffling as well - I wonder if it was always like this but I never paid any attention before?? Hehehe what are you buying from Amazon that will make it all better - I want in! My pre-seed and BBT thermometer arrived today, yay! Expecting book and fertility monitor tomorrow! Just a thought, could it actually be a by-product of DH no longer withholding services?? TMI but I find it impossible to distinguish between the two!

Hey Mamap have a great time :) I will be in brissle again tomorrow GRRRR! Wish they did the equivelant of UK motorway airmiles!

TMI Alert
FFS i am totally fecking bewildered! Right, i havent drank any gf juice since last week, just pineapple and orange. I said i was drowning in stuff yest, not EWCM just normal, but again today i have tons of EWCM again! Have had this on and off since day 16 and its now day 23 - surely not?!?! Maybe i just imagined it at day 15/16/17 It is bonkers! Perhaps it is an ov and i am in line for a very long cycle again!? I have no clue about wot the hell my body is doing now...more so than last wk!
But i am not going to obsess, no no not me ...!!

Having said all that.... i used to get EWCM around day 12 and then again around day 18 so maybe its the same ish thing and its just my body doing it at a different time?!

So bloody baffled.... RIGHT - lets take the bull by the horns... AMAZON and credit card!!!

Pink so glad its a bfn - sorry its not a bfp but glad its not a MC if that makes snese :)

Morning all

Pink, sorry about your SIL's insensitivity hon, rude!! Also, I never passed clots pre-mc, now happens all the time! Seems this is a post mc treat for all of us to get used too!! Boo!

Right, bucket load of meetings then sneaking off early to go down to Somerset with DH for the night (who is not being bad patient actually and op went well!), seeing my mum and dad and taking them to Westonbirt arboretum tomorrow... will be beautiful this time of year.

Catch up with you on Thurs
Love to all x

fondant i get clots post MC.....:( only ocasionally before!

Izzy i think fanjo is cool too! Well done on the bookface post BTW very well done!!! I hope you feel liberated :)

Yes, I've always had clots. Just when it's at its heaviest, first few days.

Hi to all x

I get little clots normally only on one day - day 1 or 2 - Periods have definitely changed since pregnancy/mc and my ones when on the pill were very light in comparison.

Hello all, thanks so much for checking up on me - was a BFN at 2am so while my cycle is still a complete mystery to me, at least I haven't got another MC thrown into the mix.... Also I'm wondering if what I thought was a clot yesterday could have actually just been a shed-load of blood gathered in the bottom of the bowl.

Ok so this is a weird question but I've only really had non-pill periods since the MC - do you other ladies get lots of little clots along with the blood during your period when you go to the loo? Or do you only get blood? I didn't used to examine the contents of the bowl so closely when I was 16......

SORRY - this is VERY gross for 8am! Hope you all have a fab day, will catch up properly tonight. Also, thanks all so much for SIL comfort, you ladies are all FABULOUS!!! xx

I love "fanjo" and use with gusto online, but have never dared try out in RL!

pink - hope you're doing ok this morning x

had never heard that before

Bee tomato chutney hey? FAB i managed a freezer full of pasta sauce with mine.. but what a good idea! Mm may have to try!

Fondant how are you this morning chicky?

have a great day xx