Charters Anonymous : Volume 2

theteason As long as the one time you SWI was close to the day you released the egg - once is still enough.

Good luck for the morning.

digi The current discussion on the old bag's thread is this.... Orgasms are good when you are trying to fertilize the egg (contractions give the boys a leg up) but are those same contractions a problem when the embryo is trying to implant- could they dis-courage implantation????

One lady said we had to keep SWI after we've Ov'd to do the whole 'the man is still around - it's ok to get pregnant' thing.

BUT she thinks maybe we shouldn't have an orgasm That sounds a bit harsh to me. But it has got me thinking. I nearly always enjoy myself - well it's only fair, now I'm wondering if those same orgasm contractions that I am so pleased are helping things along at fertilization are causing trouble about 10 days later

I'm spotting again... rusty coloured when I wipe.

Terrified.

I've got a FR stashed away and will use it in the morn. I'm starting to get my hopes up! FFS we only had SWI once. Nope. It's impossible, I'm not pg. It'd be an immaculate conception! God I'm gonna be miserable tomorrow xx

teason go get another test and get peeing girl. You know the very faint squinter rules - it's when it gets to soap opera level in here when that happens! (And I'd drank 2 bottles of wine before I got my BFP because I was sulking over sister in law being upduffed)

Hippy that is very interesting indeed! Was worried post ov shagging would dislodge bean, but now can keep on guilt-free.

newyearsday sorry I missed your post. Sorry to hear about the surgery - good luck with it.

teason - sounds like you could be just a teeny tiny bit UP THE DUFF!!

Thanks for the list spilt - you clever thing.

It shows that charting is definitely the way to go.

On the 40+ thread one of the regulars has been saying how we have to keep SWI even after we've ovulated as there is evidence that semen helps with implantation.

In natural terms it kind of means that the body says, "Ahhh the man is still around it will be ok to go ahead with this pregnancy - he'll provide for the child!"

This is what she said:-

"...intercourse may act to assist implantation. Animal studies reveal that exposure to seminal plasma, the fluid component of the ejaculate, is particularly important for achieving normal embryo development and implantation. Animals that become pregnant through artificial insemination or embryo transfer without being exposed to seminal plasma have substantially lower rates of implantation than those exposed to seminal plasma."

"...When the data from the two treatment centres were pooled...a significant improvement in the proportion of transferred embryos viable at 6?8 weeks gestation was seen in the intercourse group compared with the abstain group."

"...women exposed to semen via sexual intercourse exhibited a significant improvement in the proportion of transferred embryos that remained viable by 6?8 weeks gestation."

So now I have to keep SWI even after the temp shift .... busy, busy, busy this month.

good luck teasonme and ell11 sounds v promising

I think it'll be a while till I get a bfp...I found out recently I've got uterine fibroids and only one tube works. Our consultant is convinced the fibroids are stopping me conceiving so I'm having day surgery in October, to check things out and hopefully remove them. Gulp.

I'll have a go at sharing my FF chart...

teason omg!!!! Do proper test with proper words and everyfink! (and don't worry about wine, won't affect bean till 6 weeks).

LittleSilver, DC4, months TTC2, BFP 08/06/2010 at 14DPO, EDD 16th Feb 2011
BabyValentine, DC2, cycles TTC 3 ovulatory (1 AO), BFP 10/06/2010 at 18DPO (nerves of steel!), EDD 13th Feb 2011
BUnderTheBonnet, DC2, months TTC 2, BFP 20/06/2010 at 12DPO, EDD 1st Mar 2011
Spilt, DC1, cycles TTC 3, BFP 24/06/2010 at 13DPO, EDD 25th Feb 2011
Emptyshell, DC1, 3+ years TTC(!), BFP 04/08/2010 at 14DPO, EDD 11 April 2011
Bessie26, DC?, BFP 12/08/2010 at 13DPO, EDD?
LadyGoneGaga, DC2, BFP 17/08/2010 at 14DPO, EDD 26th April 2011

Added mine in. Should know better if this is all OK after the 7 week scan next week.

In other news Ikea have finally agreed to replace our borked mattress so I might get a decent night's sleep for once!

Have not tested - too chicken. Have only got 2 other charts to go on - one Luteal phase was definitely 12 days but the other is inconclusive due to thermometer 'going missing' (DD2 who is 2 'borrowed' it) for 2 days. I think that phase would have been 13 or 14 but FF says 16. It's not helpful is it!

Ell11 - chart looks good. Did you test? Apparntly if temps stay up for 18 days you are defo pregnant. How long is your luteal phase normally?

Salad - clicked your link to your chart and it just seems to take me to my own chart!! Not sure if this happens when others click? It shouldn't take long to create a home page and then you can just copy and paste the link in here (unless I'm doing something wrong too!)

Oooh Teason sounds promising! how many DPO are you?

Rosie - Hi! I can't help with CBFM as I don't know what it is! However I do take my temperature as soon as I wake up in the morning which is variable by 2 hours but I always put the same time into FF as I have discovered it doesn't make any difference and I can clearly see when I've had a rise - though I also seem to have flat temps which also makes it easier. I know lots of people fluctuate more than I do!

My chart looks like this today. I am too frightened to test even though I know it looks really promising. We've been trying for 3 weeks shy of a year and I have begun to think I can't have any more (am very lucky to have 2DCs and I had an EP between the two so have only 1 tube). I've had too many BFN due to long cycles hence starting to chart 3 months ago. They are so disappointing. Only have internet cheapies to test with. Won't be able to sleep tonight if I don't test today but sooo don't think I can look at another -

Hello just got a v feint second line on Internet cheapy. Don't actually believe I'm pg but what if I am?! Have been drinking plenty of wine to console myself for not being pg! Aaaggh!!

Hi ladies, i posted on your last thread but would like to join you on this one if i may. I havent joined FF yet and only started charting this month with a Boots bbt and little booklet that you can get - my temps seemed all over the place (mostly really quite low) but yesterday and today they appeared to have gone up. Im not sure if thats because i only got 2.5 hours sleep after DS woke me up though at 4am last night and the night before - i am hoping its because i ovulated though.

Also doing CBFM but not having much luck. It might be faulty as has only ever given me high days (not a single low or peak) and i spoke to CB yesterday and they said it will continue to give me highs now till AF as its waiting for a surge. I got a very short one on CD 15 which the monitor didnt pick up in the morning - i tested with an old CB digi opk and it gave me a :) (was negative by the evening again though) so it must have been a super short surge and the monitor missed it - still is very odd to be getting highs on day 6 though ... will persevere for one more month then send it back as they have suggested.

I would like to join FF and i will use their charts from next month but im a little worried about being able to chart at the same time each day - mine is variable by a couple of hours - im probably doing it wrong.

There is alot of successes on this thread - three since you started it! :) Congratulations to you all - what a lovely way to start. Heres to plenty more bfp's.

Thanks for all the kind wishes, everyone! Just adding my EDD.

LittleSilver, DC4, months TTC2, BFP 08/06/2010 at 14DPO, EDD 16th Feb 2011
BabyValentine, DC2, cycles TTC 3 ovulatory (1 AO), BFP 10/06/2010 at 18DPO (nerves of steel!), EDD 13th Feb 2011
BUnderTheBonnet, DC2, months TTC 2, BFP 20/06/2010 at 12DPO, EDD 1st Mar 2011
Spilt, DC1, cycles TTC 3, BFP 24/06/2010 at 13DPO, EDD 25th Feb 2011
Emptyshell, DC1, BFP 04/08/2010 at 14DPO, EDD?
Bessie26, DC?, BFP 12/08/2010 at 13DPO, EDD?
LadyGoneGaga, DC2, BFP 17/08/2010 at 14DPO, EDD 26th April 2011

Ladies, I would have BD'ed more but DP was away! According to some, I might have inadvertently optimised chances of having a girl becuase we SWI'ed two days before ov. Will be interesting to see if tis so in 9 months time. DC1 is a boy so would be nice to have a girl but really I'm totally not fussed either way.

Never got on with the cervix checking because as a veteran of a vaginal birth it always feels a bit open! Felt it today though and is mega firm and gone high and as closed as it ever does.

Back to normal I think. It rises up during the 2-3 days you are most fertile then drops back down after OV.

Evening all,

As we seem to be on the subject of our cervix's where should it be during the luteal phase?

Hello again, gets busy round here on a monday doesn't it? Congrates again LadyGG :o rooting for you.

Bessie, you asked to see my chart a while ago, it should be here

i did it by right clicking and opening new tab as i haven't got round to setting up a home page yet so i hope this works. My temps seem VERY static compared to other peoples, especially after OV, so not sure if that os super swotty or a bit too good to be true, very early days anyway.

Ifatfirst I've only just started checking my cervix too (found it on the hunt for CM) If you start checking early enough in your cycle, assume that it is Low, Closed and Firm at that point and then you can chart any changes from there. Think the first cycle is going to a learning curve, and I couldn't tell if it was more open around Ov as it was almost out of reach! TBH I think the height is a dead give away as it shoots right up out of reach the days i got + OPKs.

Chocciechip I definitely think you should get your GP to refer you, thats such a cop out to just say 'sorry cant help' Unfortunately with some of them you have to hustle to get anything!

ifatfirst I'm a cervix charter. Basically had to do it for two cycles before I could confidently interpret it's position. Once you've felt how soft and open it is during your fertile period, there will be a significant change once it decides to close. But agree you have to do it every day at the same time. It's not for everyone, I only do it because I can never tell the difference between semen and cm. Plus I've been known to get a positive opk and not ovulate for another 2 weeks - so a quick check in the shower each morning reassures me that I'm definitely in the luteal phase.

Feeling progesterone-induced crampiness today. Nothing particularly unusual about that...

Thanks Bessie- helpful link! I chickened out of buying a test- didn't want to wake up tomorrow to AF and regret buying it. Will just have to wait!

I struggle with checking my cervix too- it always seems to feel the same and I can generally only just tickle it with the tip of my finger. I have given up. My CM is also pretty poor so I just 'go for it' every other day til I see the temp rise!

Agree that this is a good thread- thanks for welcoming me!

All I can say is I'm glad it wasn't me having twins etc... I had several nightmares about that!

Someone else can have that pleasure

Glad to hear it hon, am itching for one of you preggos to be having multiples

I love bump bands - best invention ever!

Pleased you're doing so well xxx

I'm doing ok thanks teason. Had my 12 week scan last Friday which showed one nice little wriggly baby

I did pretty much cry after my blood test though

Sickness receeding, waistbands getting tighter so I've just ordered some bump bands and mat jeans.

Welcome storm and Ell, this is a great thread