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mortalcoils · 14/02/2010 17:50

Sorry if this is the wrong place (or, indeed, thing) to post, but I'm after some advice. I'm perhaps best known as an author of slightly edgy/very edgy teenage novels, e.g. Hellbent, Henry Tumour and The Knife That Killed Me. Over the last couple of years I've also written 4 books for younger children, beginning with The Bare Bum Gang and The Football Face-Off. All 4 books are about the same group of children, and are aimed at 7-10 year olds. They are published by Random House, and got really nice reviews from all of the broadsheets. However, they haven't exactly set the world on fire, commercially, and I've been told it's because the titles, which all feature the dreaded words 'Bare bum Gang', have been putting people off. I've been told as a fact that book clubs won't have them because of the 'bum'. The books are really quite sweet, albeit rather rude, in a fart/poo kind of way. So, what do you reckon - should I ditch the bum, or keep on trying?
Regards
Anthony McGowan
(apologies again if this isn;'t the kind of thing that belongs here.)

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mistlethrush · 17/02/2010 11:04

Thank you for bringing my attention to your books MC - I've certainly not seen them around anywhere yet. My ds is only in reception and just getting to grips with reading. However, based on both dh's and my voracious appetite for reading (mine particularly when I was a child) I am sure we'll get onto that sort of stuff soon. I think ds would probably like the title, but not be impressed with the art-work. However, I am sure that people would not buy him one of the series as a present due to the title.

However, based on dh's and my experience, I would also second the call for some 'advanced readers' matter for the younger reader... Enid Blyton only goes so far.

I think that this thread has got back onto a more even keel - please be aware that MN has been getting in the press a lot lately, normally portrayed as place to come for a bust-up. Whilst there are some threads that attract very opposing beliefs, and some people will champion 'their' cause very vociferously, my experience is that these are relatively few and far between. But because of the general press comments, I think quite a few people are ready to jump in quite quickly. Thanks for sticking with it - and for adapting your style of posting to suit the site and contributors much better!

Pogleswood · 17/02/2010 10:35

Well,reading this thread was a bit of a rollercoaster ride!
I have a 9yr old DS,he loves books but is not a brilliant reader,and I'm always looking for books he will read that are within his capabilities.I wouldn't have looked at this series because of the title and cartoony covers(if DS fancies a book I get it,but often it's me choosing) BUT having read your description about where the gang's name came from,and reviews on Amazon,I'm now thinking we'll give them a try.
I think part of the problem is that they merge into a vast mass of possibly funny/rude books with similiarly styled covers aimed at boys...

mortalcoils · 17/02/2010 09:49

Madame - Due out on 1st April. I'll be doing a publicity tour, so if any mumsnetters want me to do a free school visit, get in touch with my publicist at Random House [email protected] I've done thousands of school/library visits, and I'm fully CRB checked. The book's aimed at years 5-7.

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madamehooch · 17/02/2010 08:00

When is 'Einstein's Underpants' due to be published?

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mortalcoils · 16/02/2010 16:40

K - yeah, i know. Hated writing an underpant book. The trouble is it's about, well, Einstein's Underpants. It would have been perverse to call it anything else. It's aimed at an older readership than the Captain Underpants type stuff. Tweenagery, I suppose. It's a sort of Terry Pratchett type thing. It's really about friendship. And learning to love people, even if they are annoying. Which reminds me of something ....

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Katisha · 16/02/2010 16:33

I have to say there is an absolute deluge of children's books with underpants in the title now.

Is it because they are sure-fire sellers or what? Because it's getting a bit ...well... meh...

Pofacedagain · 16/02/2010 16:31

Mumsnet is the bum
Bare and hairless
Craved by the polyester underpants.

Swedesy · 16/02/2010 16:07

The bare bum man came,
Laughed at us with lacky trews:
Haiku pants. Winner.

Swedesy · 16/02/2010 15:59

Mortal - I'd love you to win the Haiku compeition. It would make me laugh like an old drain ... something I try to avoid, what with wearing polyester trews and all.

Does your Haiku have underpants in it?

LeninGrad · 16/02/2010 15:50

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Swedesy · 16/02/2010 15:50

Mortal So equals then? That's nice. And quite a relief that she doesn't wear the elasticated polyester trousers, I should imagine?

MmeLindt · 16/02/2010 15:49

Ha!

I suspect that you are hooked, Mortal. No escaping MN now.

Welcome.

If you can survive the pasting on here, then you are going to fit right in.

mortalcoils · 16/02/2010 15:46

misced - thanks for that thoughtful intervention. The point was made by several posters, and I've totally accepted it (and thanked the correspondents, repeatedly above). We (me and/or the publisher) should have spotted it. But you know how it is - sometimes you're too close to something to see the obvious. I've one out in April called Einstein's Underpants, which I hope will be a bit less controversial.

By the way, just entered the haiku contest, so maybe I'll get to meet some of you in the flesh at the mumsnet party! I'll make sure I wear my cricket box...

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missced · 16/02/2010 15:39

Oh, and I know what you mean about the mumsnetter press - loved Janet Street Porter's piece in the mail over the weekend. And I will never ever ever wear boden!

missced · 16/02/2010 15:36

This is an interesting thread - I am a pretty open minded person, and like/understand the slightly subversive/edgy element to some children's fiction. Unfortunately though, I just think the title gives your potential audience the wrong impression. I can see that you are aiming for rude/innocent but if I didn't know anything about the book, having the sort of free-associating mind I do, I would read it as having some sort of vaguely veiled sexual/homo-erotic or paedophilic association.
I am sorry, I know that isn't your intention, but in today's non-innocent media-savvy world, and with parents' concerns with paedeophilia, etc, I think it could be construed in this way, and I would simply ditch the "bare bum" to lose all its unintended connotations. You need something silly and rude, but not that rude, if you get my meaning!

LeninGrad · 16/02/2010 15:30

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MmeLindt · 16/02/2010 15:28

Well, I did find this thread amusing, Flight. Maybe I have a strange SOH.

The elasticated trousers comment was a bit too close to comfort perhaps. I will admit to lolling around in my PJs too often for sartorial elegance, even if they are rather smart PJs.

I changed into Boden for the school run. Naturally.

mumonthenet · 16/02/2010 15:27

totally fair Lenin, (though I missed that - having seen this thread this morning and when I came back I just skimmed the newest posts)

Quintessential12belowZero · 16/02/2010 15:23

I aim to please!

Or, should that be "Amuse" ?

Flightattendant · 16/02/2010 15:22

I hate it when people say they found an argument/confrontation 'amusing'

it makes me think they are just posturing and afraid of admitting it upset them a bit.

But really, I'm not sure why I am wating my time on this thread.

LeninGrad · 16/02/2010 15:14

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mumonthenet · 16/02/2010 15:11

Hi, Mortal.

This thread is quite surreal, with its proprietorial mners telling you the rules, and the threats, the flounces, and the inevitable troll accusations.

I have to say, your elasticated trousers comment didn't come over quite as amusingly as you intended it, but that's the dynamics of an internet chat forum for ya!

Still, I think you got what you originally came on for - insight into the effect that the Bare Bum stuff might have upon the commercial success, or otherwise, of your book. Did ya?

Best wishes.

mortalcoils · 16/02/2010 15:09

Odd thing to ask, Swedesy. She works harder, but we both earn about the same - In the way of authors, I have fat years and fallow - she's more steady. Having said that, she runs her own fashion company, and it's been a tricky year ... But I've always been the, er, primary carer. Wrote a book about it, once.

And Quint has succeeded where everyone else failed, in annoying me. Trolls waste everyone's time, and that really wasn't my intention. I was here for edification and amusement - got both in spades.
Perhaps i can leave you with the first line in my just-completed novel, Death Be Not Proud:

How do you titillate an ocelot?

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