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Some questions abou the Narnia books.

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nkf · 17/01/2009 17:43

If you are a fan of them, can I ask?
When did you read them first?
Did you notice the Christian message?
If not on first reading, then when?

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wheresthehamster · 19/01/2009 22:09

Never realised the Christian connection until a few years ago when I went to a christening and the vicar had bought the child LWW as a present.

They were read to us in primary school. Our teacher did a fantastic Eustace Scrubb voice which is why I love the Dawn Treader and Silver Chair best.

nkf · 19/01/2009 21:59

I agree Edam.The Screwtape Letters is very good.

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fuzzywuzzy · 19/01/2009 17:53

9 or 10

Nope, altho I did notice that 'the horse and his boy' had characters which were blatently middle eastern and the author was obviously demonizing them, which took the shine off the books for me.

I only realised the books had a Christian message when I read another book which said so [daft emoticon]. BUT I've not been bought up in the Christian faith, and didn't know about the trinity and the second coming until I was a lot older and had got round to reading more.

MissM · 19/01/2009 17:42

Oo, and I also LOVED the Magician's Nephew and Silver Chair. Although 'The Voyage of the Dawn Treader' was my absolute favourite. And I lvoed 'The Horse and His Boy' cos Aravis was so cool and I loved horses. Oh darn it, I loved them all!

MissM · 19/01/2009 17:40

This is such an interesting thread! I read the Narnia books from about the age of 6 upwards and they made such a huge impression on my life (still have really). I grew up in a non-religious Jewish household and saw nothing symbolic in them whatsoever until I re-read them as an adult and found it quite an eye-opener. But so what? They didn't convert me, I didn't feel preached to, I loved them for the adventures they are. I think 'betrayed' is a bit OTT. They're certainly much better than a lot of books of that era in terms of strong women, diverse neighbourhoods etc, even if there are a few dodgy bits (the Tarkaans and Tarkhinas are bordering on racist depictions for example, although again, I never 'got' that as a kid).

nkf · 18/01/2009 14:44

It's called The Magician's Book. It's by Laura Miller. I would recommend it. It's quite a dense read but worth it. Thought provoking. Only read it if you love the Chronicles and best if you know them quite well.

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Bink · 18/01/2009 13:23

LittleBella - good comment there! Definitely worth looking out for the negative propaganda too.

edam · 18/01/2009 00:40

Thinking about it some more, part of the reason it was so obvious and non-contentious to me was that being at a CofE school I was very familiar with parables - we had proper Assembly every day, with the local Vicar taking at least one service a week and lots of RE. Although we did study other religions too, it was very much 'this is what some exotic people in far away places believe' rather than anything related to our own lives. The only child who was really different from the herd was in the Sally Army!

edam · 18/01/2009 00:07

what's the book called, nkf? Would you recommend it?

When I was older, I read some of CS Lewis's other work - remember The Screwtape Letters was v. good (letters from the Devil).

LittleBella · 17/01/2009 23:49

I read them between about 7 and 9. Immediately noticed the parallels between Aslan and Jesus, but I was at a convent school, so pretty unavoidable. The anti-Islamic imagery in Horse and his Boy was pretty obvious as well tbh - Tash is a frightening, unloving god, unlike the loving Aslan - I really got that one.

nkf · 17/01/2009 23:38

KingCanute - the reason I'm asking is because I'm in the middle of a rather fascinating book about the Narnia series. And the writer talks of feeling "betrayed" by the realisation that the books had a Christian message. And that seemed a little extreme to me. So I wondered how other people had found the books. I think I saw the parallels later but was pleased to see them there. Also, my memory is that not all the books are equally religous. The Last Battle is but I think The Silver Chair is less so. And The Horse and HIs boy has all that Eastern exocticism going on.

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bloss · 17/01/2009 22:04

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abraid · 17/01/2009 21:28

I picked up the parallels between Aslan and Christ on first reading, when I was eight or nine. But I was in a catholic primary school so very attuned to the symbolism.

llareggub · 17/01/2009 21:18

We read "The Magician's Nephew" and LWW at primary school, and I don't recall any discussion of Christian imagery. I think my teacher missed a trick there! But she also introduced us to The Dark is Rising series, so I shall forgive her.

cyteen · 17/01/2009 21:08

notcitrus I loved The Magician's Nephew as well...the between-worlds woods with all the pools was so brilliantly evocative and the dying world where the original witch came from was just spooky as fuck. Like most people I read LWW first and for several years didn't know it was part of a series; I remember being quite blown away when I found out about the others and read The Magician's Nephew.

Also really enjoyed The Silver Chair - I've always hankered after a bath you could swim in

seeker · 17/01/2009 21:05

I read them early - at 6 or 7. My parents were lentil weaving liberals who explained the Christian allegory to me, and explained how wrong it was to mask propaganda in that way. I have tried to pass the same message (which I believe very strongly) on to my own children. They tend to ignore me on this - and many other - matters!

KingCanuteIAm · 17/01/2009 21:01

Was about 8 when I read the series first time. Didn't notice the link until I was about 12 or 13. I am not religious but no it didn't bother me, in fact I thought it added another element to look out for as I read them again IYSWIM.

Why do you ask?

freakypenguin · 17/01/2009 20:56

was obsessed with them when aged about 11 or 12. yes, got the religious element. that was why i liked them.

think my favourite was voyage of the dawn treader.

noonki · 17/01/2009 20:55

I loved them 6-10

complete atheist upbringing

only heard about the christian thing when the Pullman books where discussed along side narnia on the radio!

Takver · 17/01/2009 20:52

Around age 6 or 7
Never noticed the Christian subtext until much older - maybe 10 or so
Didn't bother me - CofE primary school but atheist parents including mother who had a tendency to go church for the music and atmosphere, so was quite used to taking in Christianity as an interesting story IYKWIM

rachels103 · 17/01/2009 20:49

I read them over and over again between the ages of about 7 or 8 and 10 and didn't notice the Christian messages at all. I'm now a teacher of 9-11 year olds and they are still fairly popular...I think with children's classics, as with any classic novel, the old fashioned language becomes part of the book rather than making it seem dated.

Clary · 17/01/2009 20:45

Interested that some of you say age 7 when you read them.

Could I give them to DD (good reader) who is 7 then?

I personally think that, like the William books, the language and mores of the time have dated very rapidly - what I mean is I read Narnia and William 35 years ago, not so long (relatively) after they were written, so talk of shillings and maids and jolly good show was not so distant if that makes sense, as it seems to be on reading them to the DC now...

llareggub · 17/01/2009 20:05

I read them at about 9 or 10, I think. The Christianity message became obvious in my teens when I re-read them. I think it is telling that the last few books were my least favourite.

I'd like to re-read them again now to see what I make of it all. I have recently become interested in Christianity, and I wonder what I would make of it?

nkf · 17/01/2009 20:02

if you aren't Christian, did it bother you when you realised that there was an evangelical message?

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NimChimpsky · 17/01/2009 19:04

Read them aged 7. Was aware of the religious connotations but the magic seemed so much bigger back then. I read them now and while I still love them, the magic is hidden behind the overt Christianity.