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What was your favourite Noel Streatfeild book?

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Deminism · 24/01/2022 09:05

Have been reading some to DD and we’re loving them. I realise however she wrote loads and I had only read a few as a kid. Ballet shoes, White Boots and Thursday’s Child.

Of the others which did you love the most?

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RoobarbandCustud · 10/07/2022 22:59

Ballet Shoes for Anna.

Peregrina · 24/03/2022 14:12

For me Party Frock and Apple Bough.

Like others I am annoyed that they renamed them to be ....Shoes in the titles. OK the party frock does have matching shoes, but there are no shoes at all in Apple Bough. I didn't really get on with Ballet Shoes, not having read it until after some of the others.

As for EB and the Put-Em Rights. I read that when I was about nine, thought it ghastly then, and never want to read it again.

languagelover96 · 31/01/2022 15:15

Ballet Shoes
Party Shoes

Latenightreader · 30/01/2022 08:54

I remember cringing with secondhand embarrassment over Santa's violin solo and really struggled with parts of the book as a child - I just wanted them to settle in and be happy. As an adult I was far more impressed by the characterisation!

Stookeen · 29/01/2022 15:29

Your post reminded me about the magic of The Circus is Coming. And I will start reading it to my two primary children this evening. I hope they are not too old.

My nine year old declared he preferred Enid Blyton's Mr Galliano's Circus books, the little horror. I think he liked the wish-fulfilment 'ordinary boy all animals love joins circus and is immediately acclaimed as new circus star with genius' dog that barely needed training stuff rather than the 'snobbish misfit spends months gradually getting better at horse-riding and will eventually be good enough to go into the ring' storyline. Grin

TrashyPanda · 29/01/2022 15:17

Many thanks for the explanations about Sir Garnet.
I’ve never come across that before.
It’s like “shipshape and Bristol fashion”

Cissyandflora · 29/01/2022 12:50

@Deminism

Just saw your post *@Cissyandflora* - did you meet her? I see she died in 1986
And I only just saw this reply. Yes I met her! It was in the 70s. I was in The Puffin Book Club and met lots of authors. It was a fantastic part of my childhood. So I have many signed books and I came across my Noel Streatfield books recently. Some just with her beautiful signature and some she has written my name in too. Your post reminded me about the magic of The Circus is Coming. And I will start reading it to my two primary children this evening. I hope they are not too old. I would have met her between 1972- 1977. Possibly more than once.
Doubleraspberry · 28/01/2022 18:31

This one in fact.

www.abebooks.co.uk/9780583300322/Twins-St.Clares-Dragon-Books-Blyton-0583300324/plp

KingscoteStaff · 28/01/2022 18:31

There was a Field Marshal in the British army (just pre WW1?) called Sir Garnet Wolseley who was very successful and very keen on efficiency in the military organisation. 'It's all Sir Garnet' came to mean 'It's all in order'.

Doubleraspberry · 28/01/2022 18:26

@TrashyPanda

Am probably being a bit dense, but I don’t get the “Sir Garnett” references.
Not dense. It's very much of its time!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garnet_Wolseley,_1st_Viscount_Wolseley

@Stookeen I was thinking the same; Blyton needed to create the 'new girl' situation somehow. I remember being very puzzled by the O'Sullivan twins, not helped by the PB cover I had in which they looked about 17 in their first term!

TrashyPanda · 28/01/2022 18:12

Am probably being a bit dense, but I don’t get the “Sir Garnett” references.

SorrelForbes · 28/01/2022 17:42

[quote mumsiedarlingrevolta]@SorrelForbes You are probably right based on your user name alone I wasn't sure which one-wonder if it is said by the Nana/Peaseblossom character that appears in every book more than once?

But I love the little nuggets of info on the background and the changes.

DD and I watch Ballet Shoes (the one with Emma Watson) as a Christmas tradition.

You def have to get back the ridiculous plot changes but some of the casting brilliant -like the brilliant Academics Miss Smith and Miss Jones but I find Petrova's casting so wrong I apparently according to DD mention it throughout.
I had a quick look at the early BBC version on youtube and thought that Petrova wrong as well. I think she was so well described in the book I wanted her to be more like the character.

Am def pulling my books out and having a visit!!![/quote]
The casting in the 70s version was so much more appropriate.

SorrelForbes · 28/01/2022 17:41

@KingscoteStaff

That is so interesting about the cuts from TPG! I must have read the original hardback at some point, because I remember the scene when Jane is photographed with the lamb.
Ah, now I'm sure that scene is in the paperback that I have!
Stookeen · 28/01/2022 17:36

[quote Doubleraspberry]@SuperSocks I don't remember the exact amount of time, but Felicity was definitely late to school, wasn't she? A bad cold can be so debilitating![/quote]
I thought EB regularly did quite odd things with school chronology in order to avoid having her main characters arrive at school in the autumn term of the lowest form with all the other girls also being new.

In the St Clare's series, Pat and Isabel go into the first, and lowest form in the autumn term, aged 14. The vast majority of their classmates, people like Janet and Hilary, have already been in the first form for some time but are somehow staying on in the first form again. I think we're actually told that Miss Roberts scolds Janet for something saying she's already been in her form for two terms -- and yet she stays another full year in order to go up into the second form with the twins, having apparently been in the first form for two entire years!

It makes more sense in Malory Towers (though Darrell is only twelve starting in the first form), because Darrell doesn't start until the summer term, so it makes sense that Alicia, Mary-Lou, Irene and co have already been at the school for a while.

Presumably she wants to concentrate on her POV characters being new, and everyone else being old hands.

Latenightreader · 28/01/2022 17:36

I think the elderly Nanny (Gran Nannie?) also says It'll all be Sir Garnett in The Vicarage Family? It is a while since I read it though...

110APiccadilly · 28/01/2022 17:24

Possibly inspired by this thread, I have been re-reading Ballet Shoes, and have just realised how odd it is that when they run out of money to pay school fees they don't even consider sending the girls to state school. Even though Garnie doesn't want to teach them and in fact can't. It's never suggested as an option.

Doubleraspberry · 28/01/2022 17:19

@SuperSocks I don't remember the exact amount of time, but Felicity was definitely late to school, wasn't she? A bad cold can be so debilitating!

mumsiedarlingrevolta · 28/01/2022 16:16

@SorrelForbes You are probably right based on your user name alone I wasn't sure which one-wonder if it is said by the Nana/Peaseblossom character that appears in every book more than once?

But I love the little nuggets of info on the background and the changes.

DD and I watch Ballet Shoes (the one with Emma Watson) as a Christmas tradition.

You def have to get back the ridiculous plot changes but some of the casting brilliant -like the brilliant Academics Miss Smith and Miss Jones but I find Petrova's casting so wrong I apparently according to DD mention it throughout.
I had a quick look at the early BBC version on youtube and thought that Petrova wrong as well. I think she was so well described in the book I wanted her to be more like the character.

Am def pulling my books out and having a visit!!!

KingscoteStaff · 28/01/2022 15:55

That is so interesting about the cuts from TPG! I must have read the original hardback at some point, because I remember the scene when Jane is photographed with the lamb.

SorrelForbes · 28/01/2022 15:12

[quote mumsiedarlingrevolta]@Latenightreader

thanks so much for that link-really interesting!!!

I think I have a couple of copies-always want the original-for example Painted Garden versus whichever shoe book this one was so I am going to dig it out and have a look.

I adore the old illustrations as well and have spent ages googling to see what their overalls would look like in Ballet Shoes etc.

I remember having an old copy of one-must be ballet shoes where Nanna says " it will be all Sir Garnet" which obviously does not appear in later American editions.[/quote]
I remember "it will all be Sir Garnet" from White Boots but might have been in Ballet Shoes as well.

SorrelForbes · 28/01/2022 15:10

Latenightreader I stand corrected! Well I never! I've been on that site many times and just spotted that information. Right, off to get a hardback copy (if I can!).

Latenightreader · 28/01/2022 13:17

@TrashyPanda

Many thanks for that link! I am now engrossed in all the detail.
Just be aware it is about ten years old so a few of the rarer stories have been republished, and the list of short stories isn't complete. It is a terrific resource and I'm really glad it is still available.
TrashyPanda · 28/01/2022 12:25

Many thanks for that link! I am now engrossed in all the detail.

ClariceQuiff · 28/01/2022 09:59

By ‘snob’ in that extract, EB means ‘someone who thinks himself above his actual social class’.

Yes - she actually sounds really bitter - 'it made him a stupid little snob'.

Stookeen · 28/01/2022 09:11

@ClariceQuiff

*I don't think this is actually meant to be the reading of that character. The point is that the lad (Micky??) wants to be friends with them because his mum thinks he is too good for the other village children. He doesn't like them really, but he feels he should do* At the end of the book he wants to be friends with people he likes not the people he thinks are better. It's actually saying be friends with who you like rather than who you think is outwardly better.

The wording is:

'He had learned it was better to make friends with his equals and to argue and stick up for himself, than it was to suck up to children just because he thought they were richer or better than himself. That was a silly thing to do. It made the village children angry with him and it made him a stupid little snob, without any character at all, because he was always afraid of airing his opinions in case the others laughed at him.

They had shown real kindliness and friendliness to him, but he didn't really 'belong' in their circle. He wouldn't push himself in any more ...

So Bobby had made up his mind to say goodbye to the Put-Em-Rights and to belong to his own school and companions'

I agree the message is that Bobby will be happier, but it doesn't say that he liked the village children more, just that he could be himself with them because they were his 'equals'.

Well, of course that’s not the way EB intended us to read it, but her subtext is definitely ‘Know your place’.

Social climbing and/or nouveau riche characters are almost always punished — Pauline Bingham Jones (fake wealthy background, fake name, ashamed of her poor, elderly mother), Sheila Naylor (doesn’t wash her neck, poor grammar showing through despite her family’s newfound wealth, Jo (the second former with the ‘road hog’ h-dropping father, who keeps money up the legs of her knickers) in the school series, for instance.

By ‘snob’ in that extract, EB means ‘someone who thinks himself above his actual social class’.

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