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Modern fairytale for toddlers

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surreygirl1987 · 25/11/2021 21:51

I have a 1 year old and a 3 year old. My 3 year old has recently really got into fairytale and asks for them all the time. However, despite being somewhat modernised, they're still the same stories with traditional gender stereotypes that I was fed as a child. Women's sole role is to marry a handsome prince etc. I really hate the princess and the frog, and the princess and the pea and I hate that I'm giving my two little boys these messages. Does anyone know of a fairytale collection (like the usborne fairytale books) that are the right level for a 3 year old to enjoy, but which aren't problematic in terms of gender portrayal? Many thanks, Charlotte

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BackBleb · 27/11/2021 08:10

The paper bag princess - old classic where the princess rescues the prince.

bingandsula · 27/11/2021 08:05

Little red and the very hungry lion

RedDeadRoach · 27/11/2021 07:42

Exactly ... Stories where women and girls are passive and wait around to be rescued and all the malwmes are rescuers who have to be brave all the time are damaging to both sexes. I agree the zog books are good - one of the main characters is a princess but she rejects this in order to be a doctor, and the brave Knight also casts off his armour instead of killing the dragon and the Princess teaches him to be a doctor too. There's a lovely adaptation of it on bbc iplayer along with some other julia Donaldson's.

Drywhitefruitycidergin · 27/11/2021 07:32

It might not be exactly what you are looking for but we liked Aesops fables at that age. There's a lovely usborne book of them.
Konnie Huq's fearless fairytale are brilliant but imo funnier/better if you know the original story.
I would look at Hansel & Gretel, The three little pigs etc. I understand your thinking on the messaging of fairytales but a few old stories aren't going to turn your boys into misogynists.

CallMeRisley · 27/11/2021 07:17

The Paper Bag Princess

surreygirl1987 · 27/11/2021 07:15

@tarascrazytiara. Oh good grief. You clearly don't get it. Saying I'm not open minded but you are? Do you seriously not see the issues with constantly representing females as damsels in distress to be recognised by a handsome prince, and that a 'happily ever after' is only when a woman marries?! If you really can't see that this is a problem i give up. But I do suggest you read some basic feminist theory. I'm actually a teacher and have had far more mature conversations with the pupils i teach - THEY recognise the issues at least! You also said I'm trying to push my son towards Frozen territory... I have no idea what you're talking about as I never mentioned Frozen (is that the Disney film? Never seen it). So please don't put words into my mouth.

All I'm asking for is a fairy tale collection that had adapted the traditional fairy tales so that they are not deeply damaging in terms of gender portrayal. I do not want my boys growing up with such fixed and outdated views or gender roles. Whatever you think, this IS a problem. If you can't suggest such a collection, I have no idea what you're doing on this thread to be honest. I do believe that views like yours are part of societal problems in terms of gender stereotyping... it would be good for you to be more 'open-minded' about this.

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nonrevertarinultus · 27/11/2021 05:09

@surreygirl1987 Have you tried the Julia Donaldson books: Zog, and Zog and the Flying Doctors? The Zog series is about a dragon, princess and knight, who start out training for the stereotypical fairytale roles, but leave this behind to fly all over the world as doctors helping people.

Alternatively, if you search The BookTrust's site for "Princess", there are a lot of suggestions there (and you can filter by recommended age)?

www.booktrust.org.uk/search/#!?q=Princess&type=All&sortOption=Relevance&pageNo=1

AnnaBegins · 27/11/2021 04:07

How about non Princess fairy tales? Puss in boots, gingerbread man, goldilocks, ugly duckling, Jack and the beanstalk. And try Roald dahl's revolting rhymes (there's a fab animation on iplayer or amazon prime) for super cool Red Riding Hood and snow White versions!

TarasCrazyTiara · 27/11/2021 03:36

*taking much else from them

TarasCrazyTiara · 27/11/2021 03:36

It is unusual because most children gravitate toward stories about their own gender and most boys aren’t interested in the pretty princess stuff - society doesn’t make it unusual, it is unusual and that’s why it doesn’t happen. I’m not saying it’s wrong, just that most little boys won’t like that.

But for those that do perhaps they like the stories precisely because of the gender roles and they enjoy all that stereotype pretty princess stuff - after all, they could read stories about adventure and heroic characters and so forth yet chose princess stories - so why would they want the princess characters they like made into the more adventurous characters little boys typically like which they weren’t as interested in the first place?

For example If a boy doesn’t like Robin Hood and likes stereotypically girly Princesses and those stories, why would he like a Princess outlaw equivalent of Robin Hood? Just because she wears a tiara and a dress?
You say he likes the Princess and the frog and the Princess and the pea but your looking to push him more toward Frozen territory - but that’s not what he’s interested in.
He already chose the stories he likes apparently. It’s you who’s not open minded about that not me.

Anyway I think your making a mountain out of a mole hill as he probably just likes those stories because of the weirdness of the frog and the odd visual of the princess and pea story. That appeals to many kids. I seriously doubt he’s taking much else from him so there’s no point upsetting him by taking his sweet Princess and Frog from him just to replace it with the tale of Arse kicking Dr.Princess who marries herself then becomes President.

surreygirl1987 · 26/11/2021 22:50

Ooh thank you!! These sound great- will look into all these suggestions! Hugely appreciated!

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RedDeadRoach · 26/11/2021 22:19

Not quite what you're asking but mine love the You Choose books. You can basically make up your own fairytales by choosing a picture on each page. They're based on actual fairytales so they are familiar to the child. It's great for their imagination.

Lostthetastefordahlias · 26/11/2021 21:16

Good lord this thread has made me laugh - talk about missing the point!!
@surreygirl1987 have you seen the You Choose books, they have a fairy tales one, you make up your own story from the pictures and so the princess could be the one who does the rescuing etc. They seem a bit old fashioned but my Dd loves them.

Nameswaptime · 26/11/2021 21:15

The Daddy Goose Collection is quite good. The traditional fairytales, each of them with a twist.

Newuser82 · 26/11/2021 21:13

I completely agree with you but also even if I didn’t, with the amount of kids who don’t get stories read to them regularly or indeed all those thousands of kids who don’t own a single book why someone would feel the need to criticise the type of book a stranger reads to their child at bedtime is bizarre. Like I said above, I wasn’t aware that fairy stories were only for girls. 😕

Swirlywoo · 26/11/2021 21:12

He was obsessed with Dora on TV as well and also played with dolls (and trains etc). So I completely agree with you by the way.

surreygirl1987 · 26/11/2021 21:07

Many thanks! I'll have a look!

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Swirlywoo · 26/11/2021 21:03

Probably not what you are after, but my DS loved Dora Saves the Snow Princess. I read it endlessly (as well as the other 9 stories in the collection).

surreygirl1987 · 26/11/2021 21:00

All the stories about princesses which aren’t “problematic” are probably going to be directed at girls and have arse kicking empowered princess who don’t need no prince etc. - your little boys are unlikely to be interested in them.

Sorry but I just have to say one more thing as I've gone through this theead again and these views are really bothering me. There is no reason whatsoever why a boy should be expected not to show interest in empowered females. Why on earth would you think that?! These views and really bizarre. Literary representations of empowered females are not just for females 🙄

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happylittlevegemites · 26/11/2021 20:59

I adore Lucy Rowland’s books, she puts an amazing twist into the classic stories. I promise you’ll love them!

I also love the Oscar the Hungry Unicorn books.

Legomania · 26/11/2021 20:59

I like Princess Smartypants by Babette Cole. The 'problem' is that you have to know the conventional fairytale tropes before subverting them makes any sense. I sympathise op, my dc love/d fairytales and I can't some of the trad princess ones

surreygirl1987 · 26/11/2021 20:54

Thanks so much to those of you who have offered me suggestions. I'm going to go through those this evening. If I can't find anything it appears there is a gap in the market!

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surreygirl1987 · 26/11/2021 20:53

Just read your other post...

Fine, but it is unusual for little boys to care about princess stories so are these just the stories the OP wants to read or actually what he wants? If it is unusual it is because society MAKES it unusual through perpetuating views such as yours!! And are you seriously suggesting my son is reading these Princess stories because I want him to?! My whole post was about finding a suitable alternative because I really DON'T like him reading them- I think the messages in them are damaging!

"So I don’t know why we’re assuming he’s such a big princess fan."
People aren't 'assuming' it... I mentioned The Princess and the Frog and The Princess and the Pea in my OP! Those seem to be two of his favourites. They make me cringe.

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surreygirl1987 · 26/11/2021 20:47

Why would you think little boys are interested in Princess stories anyway? That’s a little girl thing. Boys are more likely to be interested in stories about pirates, outlaws, cars, trucks or cute animals. Basically some kind of very child friendly and safe adventure. @tarasCrazyTiara

Are you serious?! That's a 'little girl thing'?! Oh dear lord. This is part of the issue isn't it. This ridiculous gender stereotyping. I've already said my son likes the princess stories. We happened to get given a big usborne book of fairy tales. We have a massive bookcase full of children's books but he has really taken to this collection of fairy tales and keeps asking for 'Princess Poppy' (a character in one of the stories). So what if he's a boy?? He also has a doll and plays with a dolls house, in addition to his toy cars and trains. Control what a child reads and plays with because of their gender is ridiculous and contributes to how gender is constructed from a very young age...much like the fairy tales which my original post was about.

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