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Modern fairytale for toddlers

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surreygirl1987 · 25/11/2021 21:51

I have a 1 year old and a 3 year old. My 3 year old has recently really got into fairytale and asks for them all the time. However, despite being somewhat modernised, they're still the same stories with traditional gender stereotypes that I was fed as a child. Women's sole role is to marry a handsome prince etc. I really hate the princess and the frog, and the princess and the pea and I hate that I'm giving my two little boys these messages. Does anyone know of a fairytale collection (like the usborne fairytale books) that are the right level for a 3 year old to enjoy, but which aren't problematic in terms of gender portrayal? Many thanks, Charlotte

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CrabbyCat · 30/11/2021 04:15

What about Abbie Longstaff's Fairytale Hairdresser series? They are takes on a classic fairytales, where the main character is a hairdresser who steps in and saves the day. Although they do still have the princess marrying the prince it comes across as between equals because he isn't rescuing her. I like that they introduce a strong female role without requiring her to have all the same characteristics as a traditional male hero (ie sword fighting etc), and they were a lot more popular with DD that full fairytale reversals like the Paper bag princess or Princess Smartypants. My DS used to happily listen too and they would be right for age 3.

TarasCrazyTiara · 30/11/2021 04:08

@mowly77

So the fairy tales which enrage you are fine when the genders are swapped? What?

mowly77 · 29/11/2021 20:31

Well this thread has gone off the rails somewhat but I appreciate the recommendations from those that made them! OP I have the same issue with my DD who loves fairytales too ... I did buy the Gender Swapped Fairy Tales book which is lovely, but she's too little for it at 3, imo. It's lots of words, her attention span won't last that long – I'm keeping it for when she's a little bit older though, it's great.

I find myself swapping genders around when I'm reading to her anyway as the default male enrages me. In animal stories; in all sorts of stories when the gender could be balanced. This will not work when she can read for herself I admit.

surreygirl1987 · 29/11/2021 20:15

*Control what a child reads and plays with because of their gender is ridiculous and contributes to how gender is constructed from a very young age..

Oh the irony!*

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surreygirl1987 · 29/11/2021 20:14

@kmbegs

Thanks to OP though as Ive found this a really helpful thread and have saved a lot of ideas for my little ones Christmas. Shame it was a bit hijacked

No worries- I'm mega grateful for all the great ideas! People are so helpful! (And the hijacking attempt was amusing more than anything 😄)

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surreygirl1987 · 29/11/2021 20:12

@fusionchefgeoff thanks for that! I'm actually not massively far away so will look into it... think that might be right up my street!

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surreygirl1987 · 29/11/2021 20:11

@tarascrazytiara Yes, okay, sure, we all find you so threatening 🙄🙈 Is there a reason you're still here, still posting?!

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TarasCrazyTiara · 29/11/2021 16:05

@kmbegs

Actually it was OP and you who are threatened by me not having a problem with some fairytales having gender roles and not wanting to totally change them all for your specific 2021 opinion. If you want that buy new books.

It’s seems your threatened by old fairy tales having gender roles and horrified a boy might hear one some day. Who knows what might happen if that were to occur?!😬

FusionChefGeoff · 29/11/2021 14:18

Don't know where you live OP but on a similar theme it sounds like you'd enjoy the panto they do at the Lyric in Hammersmith. Maybe one to look into for next year as it's always very up to date.

kmbegs · 29/11/2021 14:03

@RedDeadRoach agreed and how threatened they seem when that's challenged.

Thanks to OP though as Ive found this a really helpful thread and have saved a lot of ideas for my little ones Christmas. Shame it was a bit hijacked Grin

3g4g5g · 29/11/2021 13:49

Control what a child reads and plays with because of their gender is ridiculous and contributes to how gender is constructed from a very young age..

Oh the irony!

RedDeadRoach · 29/11/2021 13:08

It's mad how much some women are wedded to gender stereotypes.

surreygirl1987 · 29/11/2021 12:27

Okay, @taracrazytiara no worries 🤦‍♀️😂

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TarasCrazyTiara · 29/11/2021 04:44

I’m not angry simply giving my opinion, being in the minority (on this thread) is neither her nor there, I would expect it given what was asked.
I will accept that you “find (classic) fairy tales problematic” though.

And for the record I have no problem with empowering stories for girls where they are heroes (or whatever) etc. But these are all likely to be modern stories. So for me I would prefer to read those modern stories and a somewhat faithful (at least to the point it’s recognisable) version of the old fairytales and mix them up. A child can hear that a princess married a prince from time to time, or a story with gender roles, there’s nothing wrong with that, so long as they hear other stories with other options for girls as well. Basically have empowering girls characters in some stories, but keep Rapunzel letting down her hair for the prince, instead of inventing a hang glider and sailing away cos she don’t need no prince or whatever you are suggesting.

After all what if you read your son nothing but feminist fairy tales (yuck) and he still grows up to choose to live out traditional gender roles with his own Princess? Would that really be so very wrong?

surreygirl1987 · 28/11/2021 16:35

@grey12 oh thanks for the thought! Will have a look!

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surreygirl1987 · 28/11/2021 16:34

I find it foolish. Okay, that's your view. Clearly you are in the minority on this thread, and I have no idea why you're so angry. It's not MY view though, and, as I've said a few times, I am just on here asking for advice on alternatives for the fairy tales that I find deeply problematic in terms of the portrayal of gender roles... and many people have been very helpful in response, for which I am grateful. You are allowed to 'find it foolish' if you want - you clearly don't get it but that's not my problem 🤷‍♀️ Take care!

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grey12 · 28/11/2021 12:17

Just got this post on my Pinterest and thought of you Grin

Modern fairytale for toddlers
TarasCrazyTiara · 28/11/2021 08:06

You mean the “problems” of reading traditional fairytales are well documented by people with the same ideological beliefs as you - who naturally see problems with anything that doesn’t conform to their ideology. And the “literature” is written by the same. But that’s to be expected and of course I’m aware of it. I find it foolish and you very condescending. But that too is to be expected from someone so convinced their ideology needs to be grafted onto all kids stories.

CelticPromise · 27/11/2021 21:11

It's a favourite with my daughter, and I really like the pics.

surreygirl1987 · 27/11/2021 21:05

@CelticPromise oh THANKYOU for sharing this!!

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CelticPromise · 27/11/2021 20:51

www.cartoonkate.co.uk/dont-call-me-princess-page/

surreygirl1987 · 27/11/2021 20:50

On a separate note, Zog and the flying doctors annoys me. Pearl teaches Gadabout how to be a doctor and is then relegated to vaccinations while he performs surgery. My boys love it though. Really? That's interesting! Thanks for the heads up!

And yes, totally agree about the 'footnotes' - have been trying to do this myself!

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Usuallyhappycamper · 27/11/2021 20:42

I tend to speak my own footnotes for anything I don't agree with as I go along. I don't have any up to date fairytale, but make sure I mention that breaking in, destroying someone's possessions and eating their food is wrong. Or that yes, cannibalism is a problem, but if you go around eating people's houses you should expect consequences. Especially when the house belongs to a lonely old lady in the woods that could probably do with some company and help about the house instead of outright vandalism.

On a separate note, Zog and the flying doctors annoys me. Pearl teaches Gadabout how to be a doctor and is then relegated to vaccinations while he performs surgery. My boys love it though.

surreygirl1987 · 27/11/2021 18:13

Yes, I'm struggling to understand why you're so upset about this too, and what your point is 🤷‍♀️ Your attitude is bizarre - I can't understand why someone would refuse to acknowledge that it's acceptable for someone to not want her children to not be fed a diet of, for instance, 'happily ever after' = marriage to a handsome prince. Also I don't ' knock HCA' - I have an issue with conveying the messages in the story TLM to my sons... ie that it's a good thing for a young girl to give up her voice and family and basically her identity for a man (who she doesn't even know) because she is attracted to him - and that somehow her father is the bad guy for being 'strict' with her! (And yes, to another poster, she does become foam on the sea. Later versions, if I remember rightly, made her a 'daughter of the air' as a kinder alternative for 'doing a good deed' (not killing the Prince in order to survive herself).) If fairytales are genuinely an interest of yours, I would have thought you would be well up on this debate, and be less shocked at my views - there is endless literature on this topic and the problems of traditional versions of fairytales being read to young children are well documented 🤦‍♀️

But anyway, I have had lots of useful help, for which I am grateful. Zog sounds great and I have already looked that up so thank you!

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RedDeadRoach · 27/11/2021 16:55

to the point they are unrecognisable you might as well just choose newly written stories which are more likely to conform to you point of view.

Er... That's why some of us suggested zog ... Yet you've still got a problem with those too.

What are you so upset about? The idea that little boys and girls might be attracted to stories that don't fit reductive gender stereotypes? The idea that a girl could teach a boy a skill? (like being a doctor) i don't think you're actually familiar with the book at all so you've just dismissed it out of hand because... You're upset that some people might not want to give children traditional fairy tales as their only source of fiction? I mean I'm really struggling to get what your point is here.