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Famous men cashing in on children's book market??

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mids2019 · 07/10/2021 21:08

David Walliams, David Baddiel, now Ben Miller.....rich university educated men getting in on a lucrative market or simply making the most of their talent?

Personally I feel I would like my children to read books from relative unknowns (I guess JKR would have originally fitted this bracket) to allow new author to establish a career (as these guys have already had theirs)

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Mysterian · 29/10/2022 18:28

The thing about comedians writing books is that comedians are already writers. They don't just stand in front of an audience or camera and see what comes out. That 6 episode half hour sketch show has just taken 3 months of sitting at a computer. They have to conjure up 'worlds' from their imaginations. They're creative people. They're also usually parents so would have read hundreds of children's books and would probably have come up with lots of spoken stories for their child. It's not a big step for a writer with children to write a children's book.

(As a wannabe comedy writer who has written children's books too. (All unwanted by everybody, but I'm still a writer!))

Needmorelego · 21/10/2022 15:42

@StrychnineInTheSandwiches Geri Halliwell wrote some children's books years ago.

RainbowZebraWarrior · 21/10/2022 15:08

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 21/10/2022 14:04

Announced today that Jamie Oliver and Geri Halliwell are releasing children's books. Because that's exactly what the world's been waiting for...

Fucks fucking sake.

I was just discussing this with my Mum last week. I see it as greedy. Simple as. It must be having an affect on every day authors. Every time you turn the telly on there's another Celeb hawking their books. They must know they are being self absorbed greedy fuckers, surely?

Not directly related, but there was an interview with Paul Heaton of Beautiful South on BBC Breakfast recently. He was talking about how much utter greed there is in the Music / TV Industry. He said that he personally didn't really 'need' any more money so had chosen to keep forthcoming gig tickets at around the £30 mark to make it affordable for fans.

Some of the 'big' names should he ashamed of themselves for charging hundreds.

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 21/10/2022 14:04

Announced today that Jamie Oliver and Geri Halliwell are releasing children's books. Because that's exactly what the world's been waiting for...

A580Hojas · 15/10/2022 20:21

mids2019 · 07/10/2021 21:08

David Walliams, David Baddiel, now Ben Miller.....rich university educated men getting in on a lucrative market or simply making the most of their talent?

Personally I feel I would like my children to read books from relative unknowns (I guess JKR would have originally fitted this bracket) to allow new author to establish a career (as these guys have already had theirs)

As well as having much more promotion and exposure (including free media coverage that other authors can only dream of), the celebrity authors have the advantage of the financial cushion which removes the risk involved in writing in the first place.

Well quite. And whilst I can sort of almost forgive (to some extent) the youngsters for blindly following names they know, it's so irritating when it's parents, who are generally a bit older, who are doing it on behalf of their children.

And what about avid and enthusiastic supporter of pornography David Baddiel writing children's books! WTF. And being invited onto Mumsnet for a lovely cosy chat about it too. Makes my stomach turn.

NoodleSnow · 15/10/2022 19:45

The focus of marketing on such a few celebrity names and the monopoly on shelf space in supermarkets and station bookshops is what seems particularly damaging. It’s made worse by the fact that they all seem to adopt the same chatty, funny narrator style and are basically all the same genre of writing. Some of the authors are better than others, but they’re all smothering opportunities that could be given to a much more diverse range of voices and styles to give children more choice in what they read.
The trouble is it is vanishingly difficult to make any kind of living from writing books these days. You need a second income from somewhere. As well as having much more promotion and exposure (including free media coverage that other authors can only dream of), the celebrity authors have the advantage of the financial cushion which removes the risk involved in writing in the first place.

A580Hojas · 15/10/2022 19:18

mids2019 · 15/10/2022 10:26

Its the idea of children's authorship which truly is an art being a sideline in the many revenue streams of a successful celeb which makes me feel this is rather corporate.

It's as if an agent or adviser in some cases has pushed the celeb to put their hand to writing as there is a profit to.be made.

Better marketing for the unknown geniuses in this field I say.

I agree totally. I see that Richard Ayoade has now jumped on this band wagon which has put me RIGHT off him (I literally loved him up til now).

The same goes for mainly female celebs launching perfume or beauty products lines. There are other people out there who are better qualified, have years of experience in the business - and yet sheeple will be sheeple.

I don't believe Dawn French, Celia Imrie or Fern Cotton are particularly talented writers either - they trade on their name. It's very, very tiresome.

FreddyHG · 15/10/2022 10:28

rwalker · 07/10/2021 21:26

I don't understand the need to single men out many many females do the same .

This is Mumsnet it's our hobby to keep blaming the menz.

mids2019 · 15/10/2022 10:26

Its the idea of children's authorship which truly is an art being a sideline in the many revenue streams of a successful celeb which makes me feel this is rather corporate.

It's as if an agent or adviser in some cases has pushed the celeb to put their hand to writing as there is a profit to.be made.

Better marketing for the unknown geniuses in this field I say.

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stargirl1701 · 15/10/2022 09:40

I would never comment unfavourably about a book that a child is reading but there are no celeb books on my classroom shelves.

None in my house for my DC either but I wouldn't comment if they borrowed one from the library.

We are in a golden age of children's publishing. There are so many fabulous books to read of every genre for every age group.

RikAshton · 15/10/2022 09:28

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MargaretThursday · 17/10/2021 15:41

There are some books by celebrity authors that are a genuinely good read. But the weight of the attention they're given is a real issue, when there are so many authors writing great books that kids simply won't find, because the celeb titles are marketed so, so prominently.

This totally.
It's difficult to get an agent for a book-they have 100s of books per one they accept. I'm sure there are many books written that children would love that never get the opportunity for children to read.

But saying they were the books which get children reading, doesn't really make a good argument, because who knows if there is an unknown (like JKRowling) whose book hasn't been published (she was rejected many times over) or if it has been published hasn't been able to compete as an unknown against the celebrities, which would have just as much got huge numbers of children reading.

mids2019 · 09/10/2021 13:27

I just think there needs to be ways of promoting unknown authors in libraries and schools.

The celebs seem to have a monopoly on the children's market and they have such an advantage with name recogonition, established agents and time/resources to write.

Another thing about the celeb authors is that ultimately their lived experience is one of relative privilege and does this mean you are missing out on authentic working class voices in the children's sector?

I think JKR showed there was money to be made in children's literature and the celebs and canny agents recognised this and took advantage.

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TopCatsTopHat · 09/10/2021 03:56

@NothingEverChangesButTheShoes

Ooh yes. Mine came home with a David Walliams book and they didn't like it. We're really struggling atm. We've done rainbow magic and Daisy so we're back on classic that I read as a child. Any non celebrity authors ideas?
The Lion Boy series by 'Zizou Corder' is brilliant. And Halo by same author (young female main character set in ancient Greece) is really good too. Authors name in apostrophes as it is a pen name of a mother+daughter duo (The daughter not an adult), my kids thought this was quite cool.
DebbieHarrysCheekbones · 08/10/2021 23:29

My almost eight year old opined - after being given two of the masterpieces that are David Walliams books - that he thought the books were trying to be like the ones that man Roald Dahl wrote but they are rubbish.
Grin

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 08/10/2021 23:18

Reading material for DC should be chosen for their benefit and enjoyment, not to provide air time or income to authors deemed underepresented or worthy.

And you think that's why Holly Willoughby and Frank Lampard were given publishing contracts? Because their books benefit children more than those written by a non-celebrity author?

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 08/10/2021 23:11

Do people refer to kids that aren't their own as DC?

Hardybloodyhar · 08/10/2021 23:05

I'm not a fan of Walliams, but I don't think DC care about his celebrity. For whatever reason they really enjoy his books, including lots of DC that don't otherwise read much.
I'd rather they read something better, but I'm, I'm ok with a bit of Walliams.
As others have pointed out, his comedic fame is partly based on his ability to write gags and skits.
Reading material for DC should be chosen for their benefit and enjoyment, not to provide air time or income to authors deemed underepresented or worthy.

ThisBear · 08/10/2021 22:23

There are some books by celebrity authors that are a genuinely good read. But the weight of the attention they're given is a real issue, when there are so many authors writing great books that kids simply won't find, because the celeb titles are marketed so, so prominently.

Seconding the recommendation of Laura Ellen Anderson.

And another idea for the pp who has finished Rainbow Magic, by the way - The Magic Potions Shop series is lovely, if you haven't tried it yet?

00100001 · 08/10/2021 22:00

@Peggytheredhen

I like the David Walliams books and so do my kids. I have seen brilliant stage shows of them and like the BBC shows. Not sure what the problem with them is? Roald Dahl's books aren't all good. Agree about celebrities amd book deals but TBH I have more of a problem with slebs (male or female) publishing books they haven't written.
Oh not much, just a dash of racism, fat shaming and classism
FlyingWhistle · 08/10/2021 21:52

There are a lot of shit children's books out there.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 08/10/2021 21:43

I would agree, and I do find it annoying, but the proof is in the pudding. Kids don’t give a fuck who Ben Miller is. They either enjoy a book or don’t.

DarkDarkNight · 08/10/2021 21:41

The book my son was given is about two animals racing to be first on the moon

This was the book I read too. It had no redeeming features. It didn’t even have the good grace to be well written. It was awkward and clunky.

MayorGoodwaysChicken · 08/10/2021 21:31

@Peggytheredhen

I have a million kids books of all eras and genre on my shelves and I am honestly baffled at why people find DW quite so markedly terrible, stereotypes aside (by the way many other authors do this). I don't think he ever expected to be on a Y7 reading list. Billionaire Boy, The Boy in a Dress, The Midnight Gang, Gangster Granny and Mr Stink are all nice stories, and fairly heart-warming, unless I have missed something. The Ratburger I could do without, same for Awful Auntie and the collations (that my kids love).

Feel like I may be accused of being DW's PR here so I'll accept that other people have different opinions and bow out. I do wonder what their kids think though! Smile

The book my son was given is about two animals racing to be first on the moon. One of them screws the other one over, leaves them on the moon (presumably to die, with no way back to earth) and returns to earth to falsely claim the glory. I turned the last page waiting for the bit where good triumphs and he gets his comeuppance but no, that’s the end of the story Hmm

My son said he didn’t like it because it wasn’t kind and I quietly removed the book from circulation.

People who say his writing has mean undertones are bang on-there is none of the fundamental goodness, kindness and innocence of Roald Dahl. I think it’s insulting to him to compare them.

NothingEverChangesButTheShoes · 08/10/2021 21:23

Ooh yes. Mine came home with a David Walliams book and they didn't like it. We're really struggling atm. We've done rainbow magic and Daisy so we're back on classic that I read as a child.
Any non celebrity authors ideas?