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Too much of harry potter, percy jackson, Artemis fowl making DS aggresive

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mom17 · 12/08/2016 11:24

DS 10, is really crazy about above mentioned books along with other books which I aminly found it to be aggressive. I really need to try hard to make him read classicals( has read few but doesn't interest him much). He really becomes crazy till the time he finishes the books, nothing matters to him then ( exams, assessment, any other routine studies). If I say something in line that I will discontinue library membership or will not order those kind of books, he really gets so angry and starts screaming and talks badly like "lets see who will study then?". If I don't order those kind, he brings it from school library. I have read Harry potter/percy jackson little to understand what does he like there and I really feel it to be crappy/useless and feel that up to certain extent it is ok to read these to keep up with peer group but reading it again and again and ignoring other genre is not appropriate.
I feel it is general problem with boys, so would like to know how other parents have dealt with it or any suggestion ?

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PolkadotsAndMoonbeams · 12/08/2016 13:31

Some of the things you want him to read are too old, either he won't understand the message, or they'll upset him - I was a very good reader and was upset by Lord of the Flies at 13. (I personally think 10 is a bit too young for the later Harry Potter books.)

He might like Chrestomanci, The Indian in the Cupboard, Eragon, the Charlie Bone series and The Fire Within.

If you want something a bit more classic, try The Chronicles of Narnia or maybe Shakespeare written as short stories. There's also stuff like Little House on the Praire and The Railway Children, but I might give him a break from suggesting 'classics' for now.

There's nothing wrong with re-reading, and I would say all the books he's reading are good for his age!

notamummy10 · 12/08/2016 13:21

Books can't make a person aggressive though... Hmm

NatalieRushman · 12/08/2016 13:20

Seriously though, you want to be careful. If you try to force your choices upon him, you may find that he goes off reading altogether.

JudyCoolibar · 12/08/2016 13:17

Don't try to choose books for him, let him choose what he wants from the school library and from your local children's library. If you're giving him books for his birthday or Christmas, ask him what he would like, don't try to foist something on him that may never get read.

NatalieRushman · 12/08/2016 13:16

That would be Jesus, not Jess. I imagine perhaps his nickname could've been Jess?

NatalieRushman · 12/08/2016 13:15

You tried to make you ds read Lord of the Flies? As a "less aggressive" choice? Jess habe you read the book?

GummyBunting · 12/08/2016 13:12

Ugh book snobbery is the worst.

Why on earth would you try to force a 10yo to read an inappropriately mature book?

roseteapot101 · 12/08/2016 13:11

he maybe able to get them from the library but the ones from you will be a surprise

get him books hes into

he likes fantasy ,theres a huge selection just a few

the alchemist cat
the amazing maurice and his educated rodents
the hobbit

Popskipiekin · 12/08/2016 13:10

I second what lots of other pps have said: it's wonderful that your DS is reading at all! My then 10 yo brother was a very reluctant reader until the first HP book was published - he galloped through them and it gave him a thirst for reading which continues to this day. I love literature and read widely, but I will happily admit even now as 30+ yo that I return to HP as 'comfort' reading, not ashamed :) Some people may pick apart the plots of any of the books you've mentioned but there is some advanced vocabulary and quite adult/real world themes you could discuss with your son, despite it being labelled children's or young adult fantasy literature.

All the classics you and other pps mentioned your son will come to in time - or he won't. There are great young adult books out there which would be more appropriate for him - simply browse in the YA area of the library or a bookshop. He will be introduced to more at school, at the right time. A book is a book, as far as I'm concerned. It's lovely he loves words in this world of increasing dependence on technology for entertainment.

honeysucklejasmine · 12/08/2016 13:02

Please don't force him to read certain books. I am convinced that there are books out there I would have enjoyed, if only I had read them under my own volition.

Certainly I agree with pp that you should not recommend books you haven't ready simply because they are "classics".

VenusRising · 12/08/2016 12:59

Philip Pullmans books are superb. His dark material trilogy is a cracker.

Eva ibbotson is also very good.... You should try them!

Please don't worry about what your son is reading, just be thankful he's reading.

For many years my grandad pointed to homer every time he saw me reading anything, every single time he saw me with a book, he'd try and get me to read a more worthy tome what he enjoyed. Put me off literature for years.

Have a look at some private schools 11 plus reading list and you will see that Lord of the flies is far too advanced for him. Maybe George owrwell's animal farm, if you want to blow his mind and make him politically aware. No doubt he'll get more out of it when he's 16 but he can always read it again!

If he likes fantasy, try him on the earth sea books by ursula le guin, or the harpist in the wind trilogy by Patricia mc killip.

A rollicking tale from Eoin colfer or jk Rowling isn't going to change his personality. It hasn't changed any one else's now has it, or these books would come with a health warning.

Think about it, you're not making sense, and you're really damaging your relationship with him by trying to control his thoughts and preferences.

Truthfully, what goes on in his head is really none of your business. He'll resent your interference and controlling ways.

mom17 · 12/08/2016 12:56

Giving books as reward will not work with him as he knows he can very well borrow it from library.
I will try Hobbit.

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GinIsIn · 12/08/2016 12:47

Lord of the Flies is literally about 10 year old boys murdering each other. Hmm

If you aren't equipped to read, understand and discuss the books yourself then you aren't qualified to be choosing for him either- let him read what he wants! I say this as someone who has an English literature degree - the love of reading is what's important, not whether you think the book is a classic or not.

DoctorDonnaNoble · 12/08/2016 12:37

Pretty much all of them. For example Lord of a the Flies is highly violent - they tear another boy apart.
Dickens has loads of rape and murder (it's a socially realistic interpretation of Victorian England).
Hardy is also very brutal.
Classics that avoid such things, such as Austen, are unlikely to be enjoyed by a 10 year old. In general regency social satire isn't their thing.
However, if he enjoys more recent fantasy how about The Hobbit?

roseteapot101 · 12/08/2016 12:35

if you want him to do well at school work instead of taking away something highly educational .Encourage him if he does really well at his school work he will get a new book

you have found something he truly loves use that to your advantage

i suggest books by terry pratchett his books are very good for a developing teenager mind

if He scores well on a big test reward him with a book use them as a reward for good school work

mom17 · 12/08/2016 12:28

DelphiniumBlue, you are right, English is not my first language but for DS, it is kind of his first language ( not that good in our native language). I don't discuss any book with him as such, primarily because I am not equipped to handle it ( will need homework for me first) or because of lack of time ( I am working). sorry, wasn't aware of "murder,rape, prostitution etc" contents in any of books I wanted him to read , please tell me which one you are talking about. I do give him books after reading reviews on commonsensemedia.

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SisterViktorine · 12/08/2016 12:23

Also, I agree with PP that some of the books you think would be ideal are too old/ challenging for him. Maybe have a look at the '100 books every child should read in Primary school' type lists to find examples of great children's literature ideal for a 10 year old.

VioletBam · 12/08/2016 12:22

My DD is 12 and unfortunately has outgrown children's literature. She began buying books from charity shops in our town...she goes on Saturdays.

Her last obsession was The Shining.

A couple of years ago she was loving everything by Jacqueline Wilson.

Oh how I long for that! I'm sat here worrying about whether I'm wrong to allow her to choose her own books...sometimes I think I am wrong...then other times I think "How can I sensor her reading matter?"

She goes in phases...M. R. James one night and the next it's Alice in Wonderland or Little Women.

Then back to good old Stephen King.

Chill out.

SisterViktorine · 12/08/2016 12:19

Oh, I doubt it's the books making him aggressive btw.

SisterViktorine · 12/08/2016 12:18

Well, I will agree with you OP. I think it would be good for your DS to read a wider range of genres and styles. I teach upper KS2- mainly boys. Immersion in really great children's literature is usually the best thing you can do to improve a child's writing at that stage.

Do you read to him still? If he would let you, you could go back to reading him novels he wouldn't particularly want to read himself in the evenings. Or how about audio books? You could listen together.

Whilst I agree with you that broadening his interests would be valuable, it's not worth damaging his relationship with you over.

DelphiniumBlue · 12/08/2016 12:15

You sound very controlling. And by your own admission you haven't even read the books you are criticizing.
Let him read these inoffensive books, they are great stories, and Artemis Fowl in particular is very well written.
At 10, he is quite young to fully understand some of the books you want him to read, by himself. What books do you read to/ with him?
I'm assuming from your post that English is not your first language- are you able to support him with reading out loud and discussion/ explanations? Because I don't think he will benefit from being pushed to read classics without adequate support in place.
And if you are concerned about violence, some of the books you are pushing at him to read are very violent indeed ( murder,rape, prostitution etc).
I would wait till he is older- some of these books will be covered at secondary
School anyway - I think Lord of the Flies is on the GCSE curriculum.

mom17 · 12/08/2016 12:10

thats what he says, mamma -HP, PJ etc are liked so much by children that they will also become classical. It was after his question why those books are called classical and I told they have been liked by people so much over this period and still loved.

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DoctorDonnaNoble · 12/08/2016 12:06

Lord of the Flies is a GCSE book. At 10 he is really too young to appreciate it. Also, 50 years ago it wasn't a classic, now it is. Dickens wrote stories that were the equivalent of soap operas. Time is the only thing that makes something a 'classic' many modern books are just as good.

GinIsIn · 12/08/2016 12:04

Spoiling it, even

GinIsIn · 12/08/2016 12:04

The most important thing for any child to learn is that reading should be a pleasure and not a chore. It doesn't matter what you think he SHOULD read, stop spooling it for him or you will put him off it altogether! Hmm