would you employ a nanny/au-pair.....

I was going to say never in a month of Sundays but on reflection if I was wadded I think I might get help for night time (middle of the night time )

Sorry but I wouldn't put my child with anyone I didn't know with or without a CRB. At the end of the day all they have to say is that they have obtained a CRB there is no legal requirement for them to show you the document, there is no time limit/expiry date on them which means that if they do show you one there is nothing to say if they have been convicted of anything since obtaining the document. Also being cynical a clean CRB just means that they have never been caught doing anything wrong.

no but i would consider reimbursing or paying for half of it for the right person

(blush) ooppss pressed it twice.

£4 an hour ,why dont you ask for a pay rise the min wage is £5.25. Moat agencies would pay especially if you explained the situation. I have had two cbr check's in the past three years as they only last a short while. Now as i am working in a school they need an updated one. KERMAL ????????? if you have been on the nannyjob website and asked this question ,you would have got a INTERESTING relpy.

£4 an hour ,why dont you ask for a pay rise the min wage is £5.25. Moat agencies would pay especially if you explained the situation. I have had two cbr check's in the past three years as they only last a short while. Now as i am working in a school they need an updated one. KERMAL ????????? if you have been on the nannyjob website and asked this question ,you would have got a INTERESTING relpy.

K

some agenciess will do you a CRB without a charge if you get a job through them
(mine did)

phone agencies before you rule it out!

In South Africa we just get a police check that cheack for police records, violation etc against our fingerprints. UK agencies & parents have been happy with this although if I was in the UK more than 6 months I would apply for CRB.

I have the enhanced check and am happy to show it to parents along with my first aid cert and cv, refs.

I feel it was put in place to try and ensure another 'holly&jessica' incident is avoided and feel it is a work related expense.

Now i have recently married and are soon to move home i will be getting a new one that will show 'no record' in the spaces as did this one.

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hello

any other views?

btw - i am resurrecting an old thread - kemal's etc is long gone akaik....

tia

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you can get a voucher for it in the job centre if you explain why you want it

It would slightly depend on circumstances, I guess - eg whether the job was sole charge, & whether there was any handover period. If I felt the CRB was genuinely just a formality, and there was other sorts of supervision around (eg we were having a handover period), then I would employ subject to the check coming back clear in due course. (And yes, of course, we'd say the job would terminate if it didn't come back clear - which then means you can always take a view if it comes back with something v small on it.)

It would be pretty unusual for someone to have immediate unsupervised sole charge, I suppose ... in fact I can't imagine starting employing anyone on that basis - but if that was essential, then as part of the protections I'd want the check back before it started.

Can't remember if this was said below, but the CRB check is part of the process if you want to be able to make use of the tax/NI savings scheme.

just so i'm clear

hi binkie

thanks for your reply.

so you would start the candidate in the job before the crb check came back with the proviso that it would be immediate termination in the event of a dodgy result? or would you wait for the check to come back clear before the nanny could start?

thanks

No - even if there were perfectly good reasons for its not having been done to date, I would make it a condition of the new job (I would employ, and start, subject to the check coming back clear). It's in everyone's interests, including hers.

hello everyone

would you consider someone without a crb check if you were satisfied they hadn't actually avoided the process? ime, many candidates who have only been privately employed (i.e. as a nanny/au pair v. in a nursery, as a teacher) don't have them as a matter of course.

i ask because we have someone who appears to be an excellent candidate with great references - no crb check though.

Mine was done free too by the local authority while I was doing some volunteer work visiting an old lady. But, it took 8 months to come through!

Should say - I too have a CRB check done for me free - by Islington Council because I did some lunchtime reading support in a local primary.

and let's try that again: Civil and Corporate

uwila, you mentioned nannies from overseas - you're right, the British CRB check only picks up UK records. But many overseas countries have parallel systems and some of them are a lot more efficient and reliable than the UK one - New Zealand, for instance. I should think Canada - that's your new nanny's nationality, I think? - has a similar process too.

The difficult aspect for the UK is that - when I last dealt with this - individuals could not apply for the check - has to be done through an "authorised body", like ladymuck's church charity (BTW, ladymuck, thoroughly excellent and sensible advice). The outfit Civil & Corporate has as I remember lots of detailed info.

If you are applying for your nanny to be registered under the Childcare Approval tax scheme, then CRBs are done as part of the approval process.

With the agency I use I see the CRB report (as well as details of diplomas, first aid certificate etc). But the agency wouldn't send a candidate who wasn't at least CRB-ed and had a valid first aid certificate (though they may not have a childcare qualification!).

Personally I'm not that convinced that the CRB check adds anything to my selection process (and I definitely wouldn't confine my search to UK nannies just for this), as I believe that the scheme still has significant flaws (though post Ian Hunter these might be remedied). But I would be concerned about a candidate who had avoided the CRB process altogether.

Righty, I'm looking at my own enhanced disclosure...

What is gives is a list of categories where records may be held on you. These categories are:

Police records of convictions, cautions, reprimands and final warnings

Information from Section 142 of the Education Act 2002

Protection of Children Act list

Protection of Vulnerable Adults list

Other information at the Chief Police Officer(s) discretion.

Like the vast majority of people, it says simply "none recorded" in each of the categories.

I believe for the standard disclosure, it only lists the conviction, caution etc. category.

I don't think employers generally see the CRB check. A copy goes to the registrar (who will represent the employer) and the applicant (the individual concerned). Usually the registrar, such as a nanny agency, will simply state to their clients that the applicant is "CRB-checked".

somr agencies will pay for your CRB check for you... as they cant place you without one

i got mine paid for by the nanny agency i used