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Help - Nanny driving me CRAZY!!

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Babyrooboo · 29/05/2010 11:49

I would be grateful if anyone - especially other nannies - could give me some advice on how to deal with my nanny. I posted last week under a different name about our problem with her asking repeatedly about meeting up with her friends but there are a number of other issues which are becoming increasingly difficult to ignore. I am aware that I am now so furious with her that I am at risk of being a tad unreasonable . As I have decided that I will have to talk to her about how we feel next week, I feel that some perspective would be useful. She has now been working with us for 9 weeks but she has only been on her own with the children for the last 6. I have two DSs (3 and 1). The list of concerns are:

  1. She does not live local to us and commutes about 40 minutes by car. Within the first 2 weeks she she asked on numerous occasions if she could meet up with her nanny friends who live local to her or have them come to my house. I said that I didn't want her to drive them all over the country, so last week she asked if she could take them to meet her friends by train. It would be a long train journey with at least one change. She hadn't even researched it - she asked me to pick her up a train timetable!
  2. We are fortunate that we live in town and there is plenty to do but it would be useful if she could take them out on short trips. However, I am too scared to let her drive them around too much because it turns out that she has a speeding offence (as do I so not a big deal on it's own). However, when it came to putting her on our insurance she disclosed that she had made a huge claim on her insurance a few years ago following an accident that was her fault. Our insurance company wouldn't insure her at all. We agreed that she could use her car but I am not altogether comfortable with her driving them around.
  3. She disclosed that she has a history of Attention Deficit Disorder which means that, as a child at least, she had serious lapses in concentration. This makes me nervous but I have not seen any evidence of not being able to fully concentrate on my children - yet.
  4. She quickly got into a routine in which DS2 slept all morning in the buggy whilst DS1 was at preschool. DS2 would fall asleep on the way to preschool at 9am and she would quietly push him into the dining room on her return. When it was time to pick up DS1 at 12pm she would simply take DS1 out of the dining room still in buggy and head off for the preschool. Presumably he was still in the nappy that we put him in at 6am.
  5. After such an exciting morning - both children were treated to a trip to the park (DS2 again in the buggy). This routine was the same all three days she works. No art, no new fun games, no age appropriate varied activities. The same routine every day. I had told her that there are lots and lots of groups in our town and that we were happy to pay for any classes. I even gave her a magazine with all of the local classes in it.
  6. She asked for the password to our broadband internet so that she could use it on her iphone. As of yet we have seen no evidence for any work related research. I can only presume that she is using it solely for her own use. I don't mind of bit of this but it should also be used to research trips or activities.
  7. One day in week 6 of employment she admitted that the kids had not had such a great day because she had forgotten to hand in her essay to college - her solution was to drive my children to her college to hand it in. A trip that took them all afternoon. She said that she was able to pacify DS1 with chocolate but DS2 was not very happy.
  8. The next day she said that her commute had turned out to be more expensive than she imagined and could she have a pay rise. We said no - that it would be reviewed at the end of the year.
  9. With the all the sleeping in the buggy DS2 started to refuse to have naps in his cot during his days with me. It transpired that she had never really tried to get him to sleep in his cot - I guess she figured that the buggy is so much easier.

At this I became aware of all of this I set a review. I concluded that she is fundamentally a nice girl who needed more direction. I said that DS2 needs to relearn how to sleep in his cot and children need a varied routine with lots of age appropriate activity. Also told her again to look into groups and activities that the children could go to and would give her the opportunity to meet friend for her self.

  1. The next day DS2 was under the weather with a temperature. I decided to go to work but told her to take it easy and not worry to much about doing lots of things that day. Later that day I got a phone call from my neighbour saying that DS2 had been screaming for half an hour non-stop. Turns out she had used that day to reteach him how to fall asleep on his own. I told her that when a child is ill they will need to held a lot. I told her not to worry about it too much and because he was ill and now very distressed to hold and rock him until he is completely asleep and then put him in his cot.
10. She must still be doing this because now DS2 is now refusing to go into his cot awake. Last night I spent an hour trying to rock him to sleep. 10. I think that she lied to me about the children's afternoon naps the last day she was here this week. She managed to get both of them asleep at 2pm. She claims she woke them at 3pm. Neither child could fall asleep that night until after 9pm. This never happens so I think she let them sleep for a long time in the afternoon. 11. Despite the reminder about local groups, all she has managed to identify was a toddler group on the way back from DS1s nursery. She goes one morning a week. This is the only group/class that either of my children go to with her. As far as I am aware nothing is planned for half term. 12. She is not managing to engage DS1 who now says that he does not like her. It is hard to say how much of this is due to him not wanting me to leave. She has admitted that she finds it difficult to motivate him and he often says no to the activities that she suggests. I told her that she needs to set up the activities and make them appear exciting. She says this has helped. 13. I am sure that she thinks that I am a killjoy because all of the activities she has suggested I have said no to. She wanted to take them both swimming once a week. I wouldn't even dream of taking them both swimming on my own. Trips really far away from our home. Why can't she find anything local to do? 14. DS1s eating has taken a setback. He is a fussy eater anyway. I found out that she was offering him lots of options to get him to eat. One day she gave him sweetened popcorn instead of a meal "to make sure he had something to eat". He now tried to negotiate with us at mealtimes and often refuses whole meals.

I am trying to hold onto my belief that she is a nice person but every now and again I think that she is just taking the piss. I don't want to fire her before we have a really good go at working it out. However, I really don't think that she knows what she is doing and much of the time it really feels like babysitting and nothing more. Am I unreasonable to expect more from a nanny? I feel like I will need to do all of the planning for her and teach her about really basic childcare such as the need to teach children how to fall asleep on their own and how to motivate a 3 year old.

I am sorry that this is so long but I am at the end of my tether. I plan to talk to her next week and need some help.

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nannynick · 29/05/2010 15:13

I'll try to tackle the points raised:

  1. You want to restrict travel, fair enough. Would you compromise though on letting her meet up with friends at a place that is say half way between the locations - such as at a park, toddler group, indoor play venue?
  1. You are happy for short trips but not long trips, is that right? Aren't the accident statistics saying that most accidents happen within a couple of miles of home - thought I'd heard that somewhere.
Speeding offence should have been revealed when you checked her driving licence before hiring her... did you not do that check? Presume it was points on license, so nanny I feel should have mentioned it to you - though I do feel you should have checked.

Accidents do happen and can be put down as a Fault claim, even though circumstances may have been that it was not entirely their fault. Accidents can also be a learning experience as it can teach people that when driving sometimes the car does not always do as you expect it to, especially at speed or in wet weather.

As you were providing a car, was it not something you asked about at interview? Guess you didn't, which is why it only came out later on.

"I am not altogether comfortable with her driving them around."
So that would include short trips as well as long ones then?

  1. Not sure why she would disclose such a thing to you. Sounds like it was a childhood thing... so does it affect her ability to work now?
  1. Children sleep differently for carers than they do for their parents. Sleep also changes as children age. If a child is asleep you would not wake them to change their nappy in my view. You would change them at a time following them waking.
  1. "After such an exciting morning - both children were treated to a trip to the park (DS2 again in the buggy)."
Is there something you don't like about DS2 being in a buggy? How old is he in Months? Is it the case that he can walk and she isn't letting him do much walking?

Maybe your DS2 likes the park... and given that you won't let her drive anywhere, perhaps it's the only place she knows how to get to. Is that possible?

Would you prefer them to stay at home, even though it's spring/summer time. Surely better to be at the park than doing puzzles indoors.

Groups and classes often tend to only operate in the morning... have you found classes which are in the afternoon which are suitable for BOTH children?

Is there time for DS2 to nap and do a class in the morning whilst DS1 is at nursery? From the sounds of it DS2 is napping a long time at present... in future this morning nap will be dropped completely, so more opportunity for groups then.

  1. Phones and Internet are generally used to stay in touch with people and for research into places to go. However in a break period someone may use it to post on Mumsnet... is that research or personal use? Nannies don't get any formal breaks during their working day, so have to take little rest periods as and when they occur.

Look at the bigger picture is the phone usage excessive? If it does become so then say something. I will use my phone quite a bit whilst at work... finding out where friends are going, checking opening times and prices for places, downloading a manual for how to use the bread machine, recipes, sending an e-mail or Twitter message so my boss knows what we are doing, sometimes even reading mumsnet. View it as if your own work would view it... is the personal use of the internet affecting work too much, if so say something.

  1. Sometimes things happen which will involve a change of plans. The sewers may block and discharge sewerage over the garden for example. Whose problem is that? It's your problem as the houseowner. Yet the nanny may sort that out for you. Would that be a fun day for the children... perhaps not, though they may like watching the man with the pressure hose!
People forget things... I've been known to forget my glasses - so I've done a detour on the way to somewhere to pick them up from my home. Think that's happened once in the past 2 years. So not a frequent occurrence. The essay thing is similar, it isn't likely to be a frequent occurrence. Not sure why it would involve so much time though... also it could have been combined with visiting somewhere - perhaps somewhere near the college. Of course in that sort of situation the mileage cost would not be billed... as that is one cost that the mistake incurs.
  1. Not your issue... you did the right thing to say no to a pay rise. Travel costs are going up for everyone, it's just the way things are.
  1. Children are fussy and will change their sleeping habits. If you want him to always take naps in his cot then you can dictate that. I'd just be happy that he sleeps at all.
  1. You had asked her to put DS2 in his cot to sleep the day before? So now she followed that and DS2 objected. Think you may be giving out different messages... one day it's in the cot, next it's ok to rock to sleep.
When children are ill they do want more physical closeness at times... though no reason why once he was sleepy that he could not be laid in his cot. It's a tricky one as none of us were there... so we don't know what really happened. Ultimately he was left long enough for your neighbour to complain - so pick up on that part of the issue... such as how long you feel he should be left to cry.
  1. So is nanny now rocking him to sleep, as that is what you had now told her to do, rather than put DS2 in the cot? She may just be trying to do as you have told her.

If a child falls asleep, do you want her to wake them up?

  1. Good that she has found a toddler group on route back from nursery. I thought DS2 slept in the morning? Maybe he only sleeps if not having something more interesting to do.

Half term can be rather tricky... many groups don't operate. Thus I go on outings to various places often quite far away. Gets us back to the driving issue... if you won't let her drive, how will they get to places to go?

  1. DS1 doesn't like her for some reason. See if he is able to communicate more about that. Perhaps he can suggest things he wants to do... I've had a child say Sit Helicoptor and I've found a place he could do that - again though, it was a long drive!

  2. I've taken children of those ages swimming. Just because you wouldn't do something does not mean nanny shouldn't do it. That's one of the things about having a nanny - your children get to do things that they wouldn't do if you were at home.

"Why can't she find anything local to do?"
What is there to do locally... have you actually made a list yourself? Sit down with nanny and go through what things can be done locally.

  1. Children's eating varies constantly. One week they will eat X next week they refuse it. Offering lots of options does not help... so suggest she either offers no option at all, or a choice of 2 things. I find that a fruit and veg plate goes down well the boys I care for... they will pick at it taking what they want.

This week the toddler I care for refused to eat anything at lunchtime and ended up having a bowl of cornflakes (with milk).
At teatime he ate the lot (pasta with tomato and other "hidden" veg sauce) where as his older brother refused it and only ate the pasta (hmm, wonder if he worked out what was in the sauce - he has had the sauce before and liked it).

I would have expected there was something other than popcorn to offer... though would that something else have been any better.

Be firm with DS1 when he is with you... he can easily accept that one set of rules applies when you are there and another with nanny.

Children won't starve themselves usually... so don't worry too much about what they eat per day... look at the week in total.

pinkfizzle · 29/05/2010 14:54

Thank you Frakkit.

frakkit · 29/05/2010 14:49

pinkfizzle IMO a nanny won't do the same things a nursery worker will in terms of planning and tying activities into the EYFS but they should be providing art/craft activities, reading story books, messy play and generally stimulating the children.

frakkit · 29/05/2010 14:47

First impressions - lazy, self-centred, no initiative...

It does sound like you have issues with her driving them around. Does she have business insurance? It's also not on for her to expect you to a) pay commuting costs/ask a pay rise to cover them, b) pick up the tab so she can go see the nanny friends from her old job when she could be doing stuff locally, c) ask repeatedly! It's also not on for her to not disclose her driving history - you need to feel confident in her ability to ensure your children's safety and I suspect you'd have been a lot cooler about it if she'd been upfront.

Her medical history is a tricky one to deal with. Does she have a medical note declaring her fitness to work with children, in the same way a childminder would have? Why did she disclose it to you? Is it being managed? It's entirely possible that she's fine but the fact she's told you worries me a little, almost as though she's expecting something to go wrong. The lack of nappy change would only be a concern if it was soiled. How often do you expect DS2's nappy to be changed? Have you communicated that to her?

Routines with nannies can differ from the parent's routines. If you're out and about and DS2 has a morning sleep then he's going to have to nap in his buggy. If you're at home by all means do make it clear he should sleep in his cot and self-settle but you do need to make it clear. Again, I feel she's severely lacking in initiative and common sense! No-one in their right mind expects an ill/distressed child to self-settle, do they? Although I suppose that depends on how ill they are. Is the 3+ hour morning nap your idea? Could you organise something for the mornings or would that mess up his routine? Behaviour management strategies also differ but mine definitely don't include bribery with chocolate for long car journeys. Could she not think of any other way to make it interesting for DS1? That couple with her sweet popcorn meal substitute would be making me wonder about her nutritional knowledge as well.

TBH it doesn't sound like she has much clue about actively caring for children rather than being a body that's paid to supervise them and needs a helluva lot of management, which I wouldn't blame you if you didn't have time to give. You can find yourself doing the same thing over and over again, like going to the park, but the same every day is a bit much. That said if DS1 is at preschool and DS2 is still quite little then art/fun games might be a bit much to expect if DS1 wants to chill in the afternoon. Re: the saying 'no' to activities - he's 3, she shouldn't be giving him that much choice, it should be a case of 'do you want to go to the park or play X game at home?'

To sort this out you can pre-book classes, leave activities out for her to do, generally micromanage her...but that kinda defeats the point of having a professional nanny and both of you will get fed up with it fast.

Personal errands/internet use - yes, occasionally it's unavoidable that nanny has to do something in working hours (we don't get lunch breaks) but at the very least this should include a fun activity for the children. As far as internet goes what do you expect her to do during the time when DS1 is at preschool and DS2 sleeps? If you expect her to spend that time doing nursery duties, preparing activities and researching trips then tell her so. If you haven't she probably thinks it's fine for her to spend it surfing the net.

There's a lot to sort out - you could do it but I think you're fundamentally unhappy and she just isn't the sort of person you want looking after your children. I would also listen to DS saying he doesn't like her - she's been with you a reasonable amount of time and if he still doesn't like her that IMO isn't normal. Next time try to find someone who has worked locally, whose ideas about suitable activities mesh with yours and who has similar ideas of behaviour management wrt sleeping, eating and motivating children.

pinkfizzle · 29/05/2010 14:46

Nannynick I have not read the other thread but it is appropriate to expect a nanny to do similar things as a nursery worker would do?

nannynick · 29/05/2010 14:16

On the other thread you say that your DS1 was at Nursery. So I am wondering if you are expecting your nanny to do the same things as Nursery would have done?

lukewarmcupoftea · 29/05/2010 13:54

Regardless of the specific ins and outs of your issues, the fundamental problem is that you don't trust her. You absolutely cannot continue a relationship with a child carer whom you don't trust to look after your children as well as you would, and within your set guidelines. There is no future for this nanny with you, the sooner you get rid the better.

FWIW it sounds like:
a) she is clueless (either young and inexperienced and/or this is not the right job for her); but also that
b) you have not been very clear in your instructions to her. What may seem obvious to you (eg naps to be taken in cot, self settle), may be the opposite to how another mother would approach things. Everybody has different requirements, and before you employ another nanny I think it would help if you wrote down your expectations, so the confusion you mention does not happen again. Once you know that the 'rules' are in place, and you trust your nanny, then you need to step back and let them do their job (eg breaking the rules to cuddle an ill child to sleep)

annh · 29/05/2010 13:52

Your nanny sounds irresponsible and immature. She has obviously taken on this role without thinking through the implications of being away from her existing friends and the costs of her commute. If she wants nanny friends (and I can certainly see why she should have people to meet up with, it can be a boring business being at home every morning with a 1 yr old who in your case is apparently asleep anyway) then she needs to make them in your area by going to local groups and activities - all of which you have been encouraging her to do.

I know people are allowed to have speeding points and car accidents but she did not disclose this until she was already employed and you were trying to add her to your insurance (presumably on a car which you were happy with and with your dc's car seats already installed). Now you are presumably paying her 40p per mile to use her own car which was not your first choice. Who is she anticipating will pay for those long trips to see her friends? I would initially be more concerned about the fact that her car may not be as suitable for trips with children than about her driving and I presume you have checked that she has business insurance on her vehicle?

I don't really have time to go through your post in any more detail but re the cot issue, was she aware that when your son had his naps, he was supposed to be in the cot? If so, then there is no excuse for leaving him in his buggy EVERY DAY for a three hour nap. As a nanny there is actually no excuse for doing that even if she hadn't been told anyway.

What age is this nanny and what is her previous experience? What did her references say when you spoke to them?

wrinklyraisin · 29/05/2010 13:48

OP your nanny sounds young, inexperienced and lazy tbh. Not a great combo when you need someone reliable, hard working and with initiative! I was have a review session with her, outline activities you want your children to do, sign them up, and also implement a detailed daily diary including photos. Then tell her you will sit down with her again in a month and if things haven't drastically improved then she will get her marching orders as she cannot do the job she's hired to do. I would also go through all the points in your contract with her, get her to see this is a serious job that she needs to take seriously. If she is young and inexperienced then she would hopefully welcome some direction on how to improve. However my gut feeling is she is lazy and you may be better off parting ways. Some people are nannies for the money/easy life they think it entails. I bloody wish lol. I work insane hours for okay money but I would NEVER slack on the job because in my mind children need the security and routine of a confident and loving caregiver. So if she is in it for the wrong reasons she should find a job in Tescos where she can get away with not putting her heart and soul into the job!!! Lazy nannies make me grrrrr

JaxTellersOldLady · 29/05/2010 13:37

your 'nanny' sounds awful. Is this thread for real? I ask, because it sounds like you have an irresponsible teen looking after your children.

And just for the record, I didnt do lots and lots of activities with my DC. Yes, we did some outside play, creative play, playgroup, softplay and getting messy in the woods etc but I didnt have an hourly schedule. I would suggest that whoever is looking after your DC in future keeps a diary of what happens through out the day/week and that you also have a diary of expectations or list of what you would like to happen during the day.

Children do have to learn to play themselves and to amuse themself - otherwise you end up with "I'm boooooorrrrrrrrreeeeedddd" and you have to entertain them constantly. (IMHO)

majafa · 29/05/2010 13:26

Some one else asked her age, is she quite young and inexperianced,
the only time I did a spot of nanning was when I was 18 ish, looking back I really didnt have a clue, just knew I liked working with children so
Prehaps if you have the time, book your children in to things you think they might like. ie organised weekley classes, Tumble Tots prehaps an art and craft session..

Just a few thoughts

Lifeinagoldfishbowl · 29/05/2010 13:23

Agree with NannyNick that week to week activities can be quite samish - especially if you find a group you like - During my week I have 7 "slots" to fill ie mornings/afternoons where we don't have to be somewhere specific - and I tend to go to the same toddler group twice a week - as my 2.8 year old enjoys it and I like the other mums etc.

However it is good to be able to have the ideas to get out and about or stay at home and engage.

In the past week we have

Been to town - went to the castle, played at the playground, visited the library and saw the fish in the bookshop

Stayed at home in the garden playing in the paddling pool, watering the plants etc

Been on bike rides in the woods and round the block

Visited the playground

Toddler groups

Teddy bears picnic

Zoo

Been on a train ride - to the local train station and came back again

And most of these we do on a weekly basis.

I think if you want to keep her I would sit her down and make her a time table of activities and get her to follow this for a month and then speak to her about it at the end of the month where she could change some of the activities etc.

nannyl · 29/05/2010 13:07
  1. completely fair to remain in your area most of the time... but perhaps as a one off (maybe a trip in each holiday?) she could meet them at a nice location eg animal farm / soft play / country park in the middle.
    You say she asked you? perhaps she meant "do you have a train timetable?" and IMO its not unreasonable to ask anyone if they happen to have something you want to have a quick look at
    (if she has iphone and internet sureley she could locate a timetable that way)

  2. YABU... so many people have speeding ticket and ok she was found to be at fault in an accident once... doesnt make her a bad driver

  3. YABU.. she was being honest... you say yourself no evidince yet... i had asthma as a child but no risk of having an asthma attack now
    Im pretty sure you cant legally discriminate againts her for this

  4. i know many babies who do sleep in a buggy... (not for 3 hours though, (and I personally do nap in cot after lunch))
    also if in dispoable nappies unless soiled most cope well from waking until lunch (when nappy is changed)

  5. IMO going to the park enjoying the sunshine in the afternoon isnt that bad. (agree that it doesnt take all afternoon and there is still time to do other stuff)

6)she should have asked you first... it is not unherd of for a nanny to take her charges with them to run own important errands. (I do not make a habit of it but have in the past taken charges with my to mobile phone shop to sort my phone (once) nipped to my house (5 mins away) to collect something, posted MY letters etc etc... but easy to make fun for child and they dont need chocolate)

7)how cheeky well done you

8)surely this is the same as 4? ok its an issue but IMO id becoming a problem you should have made it clear that baby was supposed to sleep in cot much earlier on

  1. complete at letting ill baby scream for so long... must be bad for neighbour to call you. You are quite right to be furious

10i) ok you told her to hold him to sleep... so cant really complain if she lets him cry and cuddles him to sleep... also you settle him most of the time surely so cant reallt blame nanny.
If child has been ill that can cause issue like that as opposed to nanny per se

10ii) if she lied then you cant trust her... if you dont trust her then think twice about leaving your children with her

  1. as you are SO bothered i suggest you find toddler groups, pay upfront and tell her to go. Or just say we are starting tumble tots on monday and music group thursday at 10am...
    You say no plans for half term... giving beneift of doublt maybe she is planning to be at home and do some nice activities that you have asked her to do?

  2. any decent nanny should be able to amuse a 3 year old to be honest

13)I have always managed to take 2 children swimming (including and baby and a 3 year old) if you are organised it can be done safely and is great fun for all.... just because you cant doesnt mean a proffesional nanny cant (no offence intended and i do accept maybe your nanny is not a proffesional nanny)

  1. sounds like she was trying her best... children often get fussy at this age... you say he has been ill too... this is not nannys fault. i expect if she informed you that your baby had eaten nothing cause he didnt eat what she offered and she let him go hungry you would not be happy about that either?

In all honesty i think you need to have a chat?
You are clearly unhappy... I guess she has finished her probabtion period (during which time you could terminate ger contract easily)
If so you can only get rid of her if she is guilt of gross misconduct OR by going down disciplinary route verbel then written warning then dismissal...

I suggest you sit her down and tell her:
that you expect her to go to groups and DO activites at home etc...
and insist she keeps a DETAILED diary about what she did and when, nappy changes, food offered and eaten, naps activites etc...
also lend her your camera and ask to her to take LOTS of photos so you can see what she does.
make it clear what you want and expect and then when she deviates from your (reasobale) requests you can follow your warnings etc...

sounds like a horrible situation to be in, and there is a lot to learn for when you employ your new (hopefully much better) nanny.

LisaD1 · 29/05/2010 12:55

I'm an ex childminder not a nanny but my heart is screaming out to say get rid! She does not sound in the least bit interested in your children.

GetThePartyStarted · 29/05/2010 12:50

FWIW, it does seem that she is trying her best, but she is not "getting" what you want. Baby falls asleep in the buggy, so she lets him sleep, you say that's wrong and he should sleep in the cot. She puts him to sleep in the cot, you say she shouldn't have as he was ill. She gets him to sleep in the cot, you say she's lying and let him sleep in the cot for too long.

It sounds like you don't trust her, or want her to look after your children, so it would probably be best if you parted ways.

pinkfizzle · 29/05/2010 12:46

Nannynick what a fab list of activities!

mickytoo · 29/05/2010 12:44

Oh and by the way, roughly speaking, it gets harder and harder legally to get rid of someone the longer you don't do anything about them.

mickytoo · 29/05/2010 12:43

I can't believe you haven't sacked her. I've had lots of nannies and I can confidently predict that your list of issues has very little chance of being sorted out to your satisfaction within --- oh maybe 2 years?

nannynick · 29/05/2010 12:41

Activities for children can be quite sameish week to week. Children do like the security of having a routine.

Looking at the first month of a new job with 2 boys then aged 8 months and 3y10months, my outings went something like this:

Science Centre & Woodland
Toddler Group
Walking in Parkland
Themepark
Indoor Softplay
Local Town (can't remember what we did, may have been going on a bus)
Walking in Parkland
Historic Building
Science Centre & Woodland
Trip on a Train
Walking in Parkland
Watching boats on the river
Science Centre & Woodland
Walking in Parkland
Science Centre and going on a steam train
Walking in Parkland
Historic Building
Local Town (child's hair cut I think)
Toddler Group
Walking in Parkland
Steam Train Museum

So as you can see there is a reoccurring theme going on... the children like the Science Centre, going for walks in the Parkland and going to historic buildings and on steam trains.

We did not do things like painting, drawing, junk modelling... the 3 (nearly 4) year old was not interested in that, he was far more interested in Science and History.

Would you have been happy if your nanny had done the sort of trips I have put above? Some of them involved quite long journeys.

As the employer it is up to you to decide what you do and don't want your children doing, though when they are little I feel it's best to go with whatever the children are interested in. Babies like getting out and about and seeing the world around them - people watching. Being stuck indoors at home I don't feel is good for anyone... though maybe that's just the way I feel about things.

I do wonder if part of the issue is that you are finding it difficult to let go and to trust your nanny to do things on their own initiative.

It does sound as though this nanny does not have much initiative and is not giving you reasons to trust them... you are not feeling that the children are as safe on journeys as they would be with you for example.

pinkfizzle · 29/05/2010 12:39

She has to go as I thin you realise..

MrsMargate · 29/05/2010 12:30

What's she studying at college?

And she's taking the piss, as well you know. She's taken a job miles away from her pals and now she's bored and unable to make a new group of friends locally - who knows why.

She's not going to improve - she sounds clueless tbh. Who asks for a pay rise because they miscalculated their commuting expenses ffs? I would be too embarrassed to ask for that.

Phone her referees and ask if they had similar problems and how they dealt with her.

And ask her what she enjoys about the job.

Then sack her.

looneytune · 29/05/2010 12:21

I'm not a nanny but a childminder and I'm sorry but she sounds rubbish. She sounds like she hasn't got a clue and tbh, I'd expect her to have more experience and to help parents when they need advice and not the other way round. I suggest you find someone else, no matter how 'nice' you think she is.

Sorry you are going through this stress, what a nightmare!!

nannynick · 29/05/2010 12:18

Is she very young?

MortaIWombat · 29/05/2010 12:08

She is really fecking dim. She is also lazy. Is this grounds for dismissal? I hope so.

Northernlurker · 29/05/2010 12:08

Come on op - you know you you need to get rid don't you? I know it's a huge hassle but you are paying this woman a lot of money and so far she hasn't helped you out at all - just disrupted your life. Your children haven't been eaten by wolves and sold in to slavery but that's about the only thing that can be said for her. Your younger ds would be better off in a nursery than with someone so basically lazy. I've used a nursery since dd3 was 1 and they have always listened to me about naps - rejigging their timetable in the afternoon so that she still gets a nap but can also do the 'jolly phonics' which she adores.
The things you refer to are so basic - any nanny, childminder or nursery should be achieving them.