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Should I pay for carpet cleaning?

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PrairieOyster · 08/01/2010 14:13

My son is 3 years old and still has some potty training issues. Recently some of his poo fell on a carpet (well a large rug really) at his childminders which she then got cleaned at a cost of £120. She has now presented me with the cleaning bill.

Should I pay it completely, or say that it is part of the reasonable expenses that a childminder should expect when they join the profession, or pay something towards the cost as a goodwill gesture, say. Or what?

Any ideas?

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Julesnobrain · 09/01/2010 14:37

I would tell her I am shocked that she had an expensive item in the same room as mindees and absolutely do not expect to be billed for accidental damages which come with her job and which she should be insured for. However as a gesture of good will I would then say I will on this occasion pay £10 which more than covers the cost of can of vanish carpet spray however you do not expect in future to be presented with a bill especially after the event. Very unprofessional behaviour.

Tanith · 09/01/2010 12:55

Oh, I see. That doesn't happen here because I work with another childminder.

kormachameleon · 09/01/2010 12:49

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xoxcherylxox · 09/01/2010 12:43

it is sorry trying to type while my 2 year old is on my knee jumping about while also trying to make lunch just read over my post and noticed ive missed odd words out or spelt things wrong although i am terrible at spelling anyway lol

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xoxcherylxox · 09/01/2010 12:30

i have never had any1 enquire for a space for a child with special needs. but after having a terrible time with a child who extreme behaviour problems (which i was not told about) who use to through toys across the room at me and other children and threatend to pick up the tv and throw it, scream and shout at me, kick doors/walls, run out my house and hide and we use to have to go look for chil while on phone to mum i will be staying well clear of children like this as its not fair on the other children my child and myself. i use dread this child coming to my house and i should not feel like that.
all depend on the need of the child and the children in my care at present as i will always have children in prams then its unlikely i could ever have a child who is in a wheel chair unless they are fully able to push them selfs

looneytune · 09/01/2010 12:28

OMFG, sorry but what a bloomin cheek!!! I'm a childminder and have had wee, poo and vomit on my floor and have cleaned it myself. The time I got a rug Dr to clean the carpets caused by general kids muck, I put part down as expenses. If she expected you to pay some, she should have spoken to you before getting it cleaned.

And yes, if she's so precious about her house, she shouldn't be childminding!!! Children should learn to respect a CMs home like anyone else's home i.e. take shoes off at the door, not jump around on furniture etc etc. but I can't believe she'd expect you to pay ANY of this bill! Isn't that what our wear and tear is for!!!

I've had poo in a travel cot when mum said mindee shouldn't have a nappy on at naptime, even though only been trained for about a week or 2. I spoke to the mum about it and said I would rather not put them to bed without a nappy on until they have more control but I cleaned it myself and would never have dreamt of charging if it needed properly cleaning.

BoysAreLikeDogs · 09/01/2010 12:20

not very inclusive

Do you turn away children with special needs?

xoxcherylxox · 09/01/2010 12:08

yes i would clean it to straight ways but its the thought that the baby notices it before me or trying to keep baby away while going to get cleaning sutff them while cleaning it, then you need time to clean the child also.

Tanith · 09/01/2010 11:23

When the child has an accident like this, I clean it up immediately. It doesn't often happen but, when it does, it's dealt with quickly and hygienically.
I'm shocked at the suggestion that it would be left for babies to crawl through! We know that this child has a problem and we're vigilant.

xoxcherylxox · 09/01/2010 10:29

sorry for posting twice corrections made in second post

xoxcherylxox · 09/01/2010 10:28

yes a am a childminder but at the same time a mum who want a nice house for my daughter, yes my daughter occasionnally peed on floor when toilet training but never pooed. i also lived in a private let house where the carpet was laid by the landlord and all the wall were cream and i had to ensure that i kept the house as i would if it was just my family. i nver had any marks on my carpet the occasional bit on dirt at the front door. painting was done in the kitchen where i had lino on the floor and at weekend my house was spotless for my family that you wouldnt know that i childminded.
my answer the the child with bowel problem whether unfair or not would be the affect on other children, the extra attension he would need, time cleaning up mess and possibilty of a baby crawling through his mess. like any parent i buy my furniture to last a long time then i decide to change it.
however for all the above reasons i moved to a bigger house and now have a playroom downstairs for the children and my livingroom is upstairs where the children are not allowed.
if the playroom gets a mess its a playroom its allowed to ppl expect it to be a mess where as visitor dont really expect a mess in your livinging room.
plus i would feel terribly bad and embarassed if my daughter did anything like that at anyones house.

xoxcherylxox · 09/01/2010 10:25

yes a am a childminder but at the same time a mum who want a nice house for my daughter, yes my daughter occasionnally peed on floor when toilet training but never pooed. i also lived in a private let house where the carpet was laid by the landlord and all the wall were cream and i had to ensure that i get the house as i would if it was just my family. i nver had any marks on my carpet the occasional bit on dirt at the front door. painting was done in the kitchen where i had lino on the floor and at weekend my house was spotless for my family that you wouldnt know that i childminded.
my answer the the child with bowel problem whether unfair or not would be the affect on other children, the extra attension he would need, time cleaning up mess and possibilty of a baby crawling through his mess. like any parent i buy my furniture to last a long time then i decide to change it.
however for all the above reasons i moved to a bigger house and now have a playroom downstairs for the children and my livingroom is upstairs where the children are not allowed.
if the playroom gets a mess its a playroom its allowed to ppl expect it to be a mess where as visitor dont really expect a mess in your livinging room.
plus i would feel terribly bad and embarassed if my daughter did anything like that any at ones house.

Hando · 09/01/2010 01:36

xoxcherylxox - I don't think it has anything to do with respecting her property. I don't think the potty training 3 yr old pooped on her rug out of disrespect - do you?

You wouldn't be happy to replace your sofa? Are you a CM? Surely this is a risk you take with have mindees and probably potty training children in your own home as your place of work.

You said "yes you expect mess but to the same extent your children would" - Have your kids never had an accident on the floor or sofa? I thought most had weed/pooped somewhere in the house when potty training. Why would you expect the same from mindees, all kids are different, will have different needs and capabilities. So if your kids are spotless but a mindee spills paint on your carpet, then you'd want to charge the parent? Plus as Tanith said this child has a bowel problem, she can't refuse to take him becaus eof the mess.

Persoanlly, I think your posts make little sense.

Tanith · 08/01/2010 20:45

xoxcherylfox, I claimed for it on my insurance, so got most of the money back for it. The insurance is specially for childminders and childminding accidents. We can't refuse to take a special needs child just in case he ruins the furniture! I can hear OFSTED now

LynetteScavo · 08/01/2010 20:14

Do not pay.

This comes under wear and tear, which she should allow for from the fees she charges.

I would seriously consider using the services of a childminder with this attitude.

xoxcherylxox · 08/01/2010 20:05

you replaced your sofa my god i wouldnt be happy having to do that firstly i would not have the money to pay out for it even if you can claim it as an expense. yes expect mess but to the same extend as your own children would.
I think giving notice is a bit extreme shes only asking for money. she didnt do anything else wrong as far as we are aware the child is happy there was no problems and the parent was happy that she has a good childminder she trusts with her child

mummyofexcitedprincesses · 08/01/2010 19:53

I am quite shocked- how can a childminder not expect mess? What if a child threw up or spilled juice. TBH i would refuse to pay and give my notice.

Tanith · 08/01/2010 19:47

I thought that was why we had that 10% allowance for wear and tear. I've also got insurance for this kind of thing through the NCMA.

I look after a child with a bowel problem. In that time, I've had a playmat ruined and had to disinfect and clean a rug several times. I've also had to replace my sofa. We are talking about 4 or 5 days worth of liquid faeces, so not the average pooping accident. I wouldn't dream of charging the parents, and they have offered. I claimed on my insurance for the sofa, no problem, and they didn't even ask to see the evidence .

nannyl · 08/01/2010 19:38

agree... no way should you be expected to pay and imo u should refuse

ThePrisoner · 08/01/2010 19:18

Having my house trashed is the downside of childminding, but is something that I totally accept as part of my job.

Part and parcel of our allowable expenses is 10% of our earnings for "wear and tear", so replacing furniture or re-attaching curtain rails is in my job description.

If I had a cleaning bill for £120 solely because of one poopy accident, I would put that in my expenses in its entirety. If it needed a bit of a clean in the first place, then maybe just a percentage of it could be put through expenses.

I do not think that you should pay this bill, but have no idea how you say that to your childminder!

HSMM · 08/01/2010 19:00

What 'BlueKangaroo' said - I have childminders contents insurance.

littlestarschildminding · 08/01/2010 18:43

No way I would pay anything.

If it is that precious it shouldn't be on the floor.

As a cm though I can't get accidental damage insurance...so don't assume she can claim it on her insurance!

cat64 · 08/01/2010 18:39

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clumsymum · 08/01/2010 18:34

If she expected you to contribute to the cost, she should have asked you BEFORE getting it cleaned.

I too think £120 is unreasonable. I would find out what her insurance policy excess is, and then consider offering to pay HALF of that,

Blimey, no for an accident like this, no way should she sting you for the bill.

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