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Trouble with the CM

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dixia · 19/11/2009 17:38

Hi,

I am having trouble with my child minder.

I need your opinions about whether it is me or her that is being unreasonable and how to move forward from here.

My DS is 2yrs 9 months. He is ready for potty training. I think he has been ready for a while to come out of nappies and showing lots of good signs. I have an older son, who is now 7 and we trained him with no trouble. We have been asking him every week if he would like to buy a potty and start wearing pants - last week he said yes. So we went out and bought pants and potties and he is very excited about starting.

He goes to a pre-school every day from 9-12 and then to a CM afterwards 3 days a week from 12 til 4.30.

On Monday I took DS to pre-school in nappies and said to the lady that the following day he would be coming in pants. She said that that was fine, just bring lots of pairs of pants, trousers, socks etc and that they would take him to the potty every 20 minutes or so. Great - good reaction. But the CM has really shocked me. She says that she isn't happy about him being out of nappies. She asked that we postpone the starting of training until tomorrow (friday) when he doesn't go to her house and will have just pre-school and then Friday pm to Monday am at home. I felt that this was fair enough really, so agreed.

Now she says that I must provide my own equipment for him - potty, car seat covers, etc. Is this normal? I haven't had to provide any other equipment (she has pushchairs and carseats).

She also says that if he has two accidents in one day she will put him in a nappy. But that doesn't really work for me. i think he might have lots of accidents in the first few days.

She wants him to bring training pants, but I really think that there is no difference between these and nappies and I don't want to use them at home. I want to go straight into pants.

She says that she wants to sit down and have a meeting about his routine with me before he starts in pants, but I have told her that there is no routine. What will happen is that I put him in pants, take him to the potty regularly, he sometimes gets it right and sometimes has an accident, we change him and start again.

I need some advice about how to handle this situation. I am confused about whether I am being unreasonable or whether she is.

Thanks

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Flibbertyjibbet · 19/11/2009 19:08

Ah, if she only has one child of her own who is not potty trained then she is probably really worried about it and thinking its a much bigger deal than it really is (I know I did with ds1!).

I think if you try a few days of potty training yourself before he goes to her, ie start potty training after the 3rd visit to her in the week, then he will have 4 full days of potty training before you take him again. If he is ready he will crack it in that time. Tbh, if she looks after 2 x 2 year old boys then I can understand why she thinks that keep putting him on the potty might be a big ask.

By the way, my two go to nursery and regulations state that each child should have its own potty (nursery provide them but each one is allocated and labelled for a particular child when they are having a potty training stint), so she may just be following regulations.

I know when I had never potty trained a child, I thougth training pants were essential, but now I know they are not (I sold all mine on the nappy lady ).

Oh and first two weeks with both mine, we only went to very local places like the park where accidents wouldn't matter, and kept car journeys to the shortest possible.

thebody · 19/11/2009 19:03

I agree with everything Rosie Girl says. I am quite happy to carry on potty training that has been started properly at home first, over a long weekend or maybe a holiday if possible.

I have been asked to start from scratch and refused, it really is the parents job to start the process and the cm should support this as it goes on.

I think pull ups are a total waste of time.

However parents should remember that most cms have other childrens needs top consider so the child being trained must be ready for it.

I provide all equipment and would only expect parents to provide extra clothes.

RosieGirl · 19/11/2009 19:03

She should see it as a challenge then, because I personally feel proud when a little one achieves it, they give brilliant smiles when they see they have done their business, especially if they manage independantly and bring it too you to inspect, and of course you tell them how wonderful it is and how brillant they are, with a pottyfull under your nose!

ihatemyjob · 19/11/2009 19:03

Is shes worried about changeing car seat covers and pushchairs getting wet why not get some of those pampers bed mat things. I used to fold one up for the car seat and one for the pushchair. They are disposable but would save a lot of washing.

dixia · 19/11/2009 18:57

Hi RosieGirl,
Actually, my DS is the only child that she looks after, apart from her own 2yo son. I just think that she really isn't experienced enough to deal with this? It will be the first time as a CM she has done it (as she is fairly recently registered) and has only had older children prior to this.

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Blondeshavemorefun · 19/11/2009 18:55

your cm should be a professional and respect your views/requests(yes she is not employed by you but still needs to follow how you do things)

it confues the child to be in nappies and pants

tbh if a child isnt potty trianed within 2weeks then i personally fele that they are not ready - you dont want to spend months doing it

though obv you have the odd accident

RosieGirl · 19/11/2009 18:54

I work with the parents as closely as possible. Most of the parents I work with usually start it at home, and have a few days or week "concentrated" effort. I then happily take over and will do my very best to support the child.

You are not overeacting as you feel that your own instincts are being doubted.

Please do take into account that your childminder may have several other small children and it can be quite difficult if a child has had an accident and there is a baby crawling around the floor, or if she does lots of school pick-up's and finds it quite difficult to regularly get him on a potty quickly (especially now its winter - lots of layers). I do try and work out times when I am a little quieter or over school holidays when I am not running around, to ensure continuity in the early days.

The most recent lo I helped potty train, I brought him his own "special" potty (not an expensive one) set up a chart next to it, was all geared up and within one week, he didn't want the potty, he wanted to use the "big toilet" like the other children - even refusing the inner seat, clever chap.

I personally dislike pull-up's don't see the point at all.

dixia · 19/11/2009 18:52

Thanks Cheryl,

Yes, I really agree with the pull up thing. I wont be using them at all - I know that they feel the same as nappies. So I won't be providing the childminder with any.

I also agree with your point about trips. I will put a nappy on him when we go out - certainly for the first 2 weeks or so. if it was only putting a nappy on when going out then it would be different. I think your approach sounds sensible. And I am doing it at home for 3 days before he goes to her.

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xoxcherylxox · 19/11/2009 18:42

i would only have them in nappies if the parents hadnt been doing the toilet training at home for a few days before coming to me but once they had done it at home for a few days then i would not have the child in nappies. the only time i used nappies is when we go on outings at the start of toilet training as they dont no when they need the toilet plus cant keep it in and if your in the middle of a park or on a bus its not the best place to have an accident or take them to toilet. but then again most of my parents if going out shopping or something would put there child in a nappy if they had just started training then you slowly get them off them.
i started a we boy toilet training we use to walk to the school that would take 5 mins in car but 25mins walk he could not keep it in so had to wear a nappy for the 25mins there and back slowly i started getting him to go to the toilet before we left but somedays on the way bk he needed so luckly had a nappy on, slowly he started to last longer ie at first we would be 20mins from being back at house then 15 then 10 then at the top of the street then eventually when he had dry nappies i stopped putting them on him.

i presume he will still have a night nappy but wont be confused by that so it should be fine if serious about toilet training dont use pull ups to replace pants only use them if you intened to use them as a nappy as thats what they feel like for a child where as at least pants they can tell thats not a nappy

dixia · 19/11/2009 18:28

Hi everyone,

Moshie and Cheryl, can you tell me, does it not confuse the children having them in nappies with you and pants at other times? I am really keen for it to happen across the board at the same time. He is only with her for 13 hours a week, so it is not full time.

I worry about him being put back into nappies as a punishment for him having an accident. This is not what I will be doing at home.

i feel really very uneasy about what she has said and how she has handled this. I am really quite close to pulling him out of there and finding another CM. Am I over reacting?

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xoxcherylxox · 19/11/2009 18:15

im the same as moshie i will continue it once it has been started at home. if however i feel after trying that the child is not ready as they just keep having accident after accident then i will speak to parents and discuss this and tell them i do no feel there are ready as you would be surprised at some parents they just see and age and think they must be toilet trained they dont actually see that the child has to be ready and they think that its upto the childminder to do all the hard wrk as we have the child most of the day where as alot of parents tend to start it while they are off for a few days and then return with the child already use to being taken to toilet reguarly.

i do have a potty but maybe she sees it as a hygiene thing that he has his own also some children will only be happy to use there own potty as it is familiar to them.
car seat covers i dont no where i would be with them as when i last toilet trained a child a didnt drive at the time although it can be a great inconvience if they wet it say on the nursery run and then you need to use the car again for school pick up the car seat wouldnt be wash and dry in time.
i know that i hated it if the child had an accident in the buggy as if we were out there was nothing i could do apart from change the child and try and put a blanket down for them to sit on also same problem again when washing would it be washed and dryed in time. taking pram seats and car seat covers off can be quite hard to do you sometime has to take the pram or car seat apart then build it again.

moshie · 19/11/2009 17:53

I'm a CM and always tell parents that I will carry on potty training after it has been going well at home first.
I do provide my own equipment though.

theslightlypeckishcaterpillar · 19/11/2009 17:43

I don't have a CM, so not really sure how it all works, but I would imagine that potty training is something that CM's see alot, and therefore should be prepared to take you ds to the toilet every 20 mins, and change his clothes when needed.

There should be no talk of putting him back into nappies without your permission. You are his mother, you decide, and you are paying her to look after your ds, and part of that is helping to potty train him.

I'd be annoyed with what she's said, so no , YANBU.