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uncomfortable with childminder driving my dd about

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mollynp · 04/09/2009 20:59

i don't know what is considered normal, so if anyone can help, please do! my dd is starting with a childminder next week. my other two sons were looked after by in-laws so have no experience of childminders.
Basically is it normal for childminders to take kids out in the car much if they don't need to (i.e. don't need to drive to schools, etc.)?
i am really uncomfortable about someone i don't really know driving about with my dd, when i don't know how skilfull a driver she is, or how safe her car seat is/if it is correctly fitted. I am very anal about car seats, and my dd has a stage 1 rear facing one in our car. so i'm also not really happy about her being forward facing in the car.
Is it acceptable to ask her not to take her out in the car? or if i'm uncomfortable with dd being forward facing, should i buy another rear facing seat for her car (£200-250)?
Also the car has loads of scrapes and dents in the side, which doesn't make me entirely confident!!

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xoxcherylxox · 07/09/2009 23:59

hi i am a childminder , when i first started i did not drive and use to work everywhere or use public transport. i was taking lesson at the time and all the parent of the children were over the mooon when i past. we ussed to have to walk half an hour to a school then half an hour on the way back. then i a child started nursery there would have been no way i could have walked to mother and toddlers for half 9 leave at half 11 walk half an hour to get home make lunch then get the child to nursery for 12.45.
my now my day is even busyer and would not be possible to do without the car i have to get a child to school for 9 school is 2 mins in car but over half hour walk with kids, pick another child up before half9 take my daughter to playgroup for 9.45 which is in the next village go straight to mums and tots leave there half 11.30 and be bk at playgroup for 11.35. then got afternoon nursery kids at 2 dif nurserys starting at the sametime one finishing at 2.55 then picking up from school at 3 then the other nursery at 3.10 no way i could do it without car. plus during holidays we go on lots off outings as the children are not use to being in all day and would go mad stuck in. if a child came to me and was not to use my car then i would not take them on as i would not be able to carry out the rest of my job properly and accomodate the other children.

vInTaGeVioLeT · 07/09/2009 23:26

the childminder has to have your permission to take your child out in a car or taxi or bus or at least i have a permission form about transportation for parents to sign -
i think that you need to fully trust your childminder to look after your child and it sounds like you are just having a panic and focusing your anxiety on this aspect.
it is very hard to let someone else be responsible for your baby but she is a professional.

squiby2004 · 07/09/2009 22:40

In answer to your question molly you go with your gut instinct. I have had some parents come to see me and I don't tryst them to pay on time/collect on time/have any consideration for anyone except themselves. So I don't take them and thats just based on how I feel about them during our meeting.

As I said you dont sound the sort of parent that feels comfortable with a CM and I think you would fair better with a nursery setting.

And no I would not buy a £200+ car seat because you wanted one as I have good quality car seats that all sit at the top of the which lost report and I am happy with them. In fact I don't think a single childminder I know would either, so if you want one you will need to provide it.

Katymac · 07/09/2009 22:15

It's about forces and direction of travel (IIRC) if you are going forwards you need one type of car seat, if backwards another sort

Not sure tbh about multidirectional ones but I think due to the different fixings they are likely to be 'car travelling forward' specific

Shoshe · 07/09/2009 22:09

Bugger, it would be so great if they could,

What about cars that you can swivel the seats around, I looked at a delicia once (ugly car)that had seets you could turn around.

Katymac · 07/09/2009 22:07

Shoshe I have a feeling (as my car is similar) that car seats aren't safe if they aren't facing the direction they are supposed to be in the car (iyswim)

Shoshe · 07/09/2009 21:54

Just thought, the middle seats in my car can all be reversed so they back onto the front seats (my car can be used as a camper van) does anyone know if I can have the seat belts moved as they would be in the wrong postion with the seats reversed, would be brilliant if they could as the children would be all facing each other with the under 4's permently reversed.

Maybe I should start a thread.

Shoshe · 07/09/2009 21:50

We dont do shopping and such trips, but do go out most days, to soft play drop in centre, feild trips and such.

Without my car (an 8 seater Mazda Bongo, to fit all the children in during holidays times) we would be confined to the Army Camp we live on I certainly wouldnt want to take 3 under 2.5 on our busses, all buggies have to be folded, and are very infrequent.

I used to do a school run in the car, but the children I look after now, all go to the Camp school which is within walking distance.

I supply all my car seats, I dont have any birth to 1 car seats, but have 3 that reverse and are birth to 3, although up to now I have used the reversed by the time they are 12 months, but it is something to look into.

mollynp · 07/09/2009 21:29

could do. the road safety officer said that if it was her, she would just buy another set of tether straps and move the car seat between cars. it is the easiest of car seats to fit and there isn't much that you can do wrong, that would only cost about £20. the CM only has one stage one car seat and has another kid of roughly the same age, so she would have to buy another car seat anyway. but you can get forward facing car seats for as little as £60, so might not want to spend £200 on a rear facing!

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Chandon · 07/09/2009 17:01

My CM took my DD around so much, she got very carsick and sometimes had to be brought home before her due time.

DD then told me she had been in the car all morning, being driven from estate agent to post office, to bank, to house of friend of CM and back via the supermarket, getting bak to CM home for lunch at 1:30 (!).

I am sure it was within the law, but I did end that contract, as I was leld to believe my DD would be playing at her home with other children and watching telly etc.

So just ask her how much she plans to take DC out and about.

EmilyBrownlovesStanley · 07/09/2009 15:48

OP - I don't think you're unreasonable to have these concerns. Perhaps you would be happier for your child to attend a nursery, that was my preference for my DD.

limonchik · 07/09/2009 13:52

You can always ask, but I think it's a bit much to expect the CM to shell out for a new, expensive seat when even you think it's a lot of money!

FromGirders · 07/09/2009 13:51

Has the OP fainted at the very idea ?

FromGirders · 07/09/2009 13:39

FWIW, I am a non-driving CM - because we're a one car family, not because I can't drive. Have prob only used the car twice in the last year.
However, we go on the bus weekly - how does the OP feel about public transport?

mollynp · 07/09/2009 13:29

just spoke to essex road safety officers and they said that you shouldn't use a car seat from the US as it hasn't been tested to EU/UK standards. she also implied that perhaps the childminder could provide a rear facing car seat so as to cater for the increased demand for this type of seat from parents? what do you think? would other childminders buy a rear facing seat? or if i want that, do i have to buy it myself? she also said that she doesn't like seeing children under 4 in forward facing seats as rear facing are 5 times safer.

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littleducks · 06/09/2009 20:46

what brand was the carseat you saw? might be a good/ok brand you werent aware of?

LisaD1 · 06/09/2009 20:37

Hi,

I think you should just speak with your CM and let her know how you feel (you sound like someone who generally prefers to walk and not a car fan) and maybe she can put your mind at ease?

I am a CM, my car is fully insured for Business Use and I only use MY car seats, I have a 7 seater car and only 3 little ones (one of which is my own), each child has their own car seat (purchased by me when they started) and have all been correctly fitted. I would not take any unneccessary risks with MY children and the same applies to all my minded children. I hope you manage to have your fears put at rest by your CM.

All the best.

mollynp · 06/09/2009 17:06

my sister is lending me her maxi cosi priori that she brought back from the US, this is rear facing till 35lbs (15kg). so i'll use that in her car and won't have to shell out £200 for new one. thankyou for all of your comments even if some of them were a bit reactionary!!

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mollynp · 06/09/2009 12:22

my question to squiby2004 is, how do you trust someone that you don't know? i think it is unreasonable not to have concerns with comeone you are leaving your baby with when you don't know them! i'm sure all parents would worry about something

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dobby2001 · 06/09/2009 00:49

Its perfectly Ok to be worried about differant things when leaving your child with any childcare. Just to reassure you, any OFSTED registered childminder who uses their car for business use, will have appropriate cover on their insureance - and it is reasonable for you to check this. OFSTED will expect the childminder to have appropriate resources for the children in their care, and this includes car seats that are the right size, correctly fitted and in good working order. The car should also be roadworthy.
I try to walk most of the time with the children i mind, but use the car on Holidays for day trips and if running late/ circumstances dictate. My car has scratches and is messy , manly due to the kids knocking bags, scooters and allsorts into it - I have 8 years no claims so i would like to think my drivings Ok?!

I would ask your CM how much car is used but it is not likely to be workable if you want to "ban" car use - what would you do in an emergency? either for you DD or other mindees? Cars have their place as part of the service you are requesting, you just need to reassure yourself all is ok

Feelingforty · 05/09/2009 22:23

I can completely understand your concerns - one of the reason my DD didn't go to a childminder.

Could you find someone else that doesn't have a need to use the car ? ( certainly we walk to toddler group/school pick up, library/park)

HSMM · 05/09/2009 21:44

Ask the childminder about how much she drives, how old her seats are, what made her choose the seats she has, whether she will accept a seat from you, etc and go from there.

mollynp · 05/09/2009 21:27

i haven't dictated to anyone what to do!! i was just asking what is normal. i was just concerned as i don't know her at all. i don't think it is unreasonable to worry about someone you don't really know driving your kid about!! especially as the group 0+ car seat that she does have, which incidently my daughter still fits in, is by a brand i have never heard of and looks really really cheap. i know the CM does need to make some money from her job, but i don't want the safety of my child compromised by using a car seat that was bought on cost rather than safety. and there can be a massive difference in some car seats and how safe they are.

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squiby2004 · 05/09/2009 21:19

As a CM I have to say I wouldn't touch you with a barge poll! I am not about to b dictated to by parent about whether I can use my car during business hours. You either trust your CM or you don't in which case you need to look at somebody else. TBH you sound more suited to a nursery setting where this sort of situation does not occur.

In addition I use my own car seats in my car for 2 reasons:

  1. I know they fir correctly
  2. I know their history 100% (ie bought from new and never been involved in a car crash.

My car has an encap 5 star safety rating and I drive my child about in it so I am happy it is safe and fit for use. If its good enough for my child its exactly the same for my minded children.

Littlefish · 05/09/2009 20:58

You need to speak to your childminder about this if you are planning to buy a carseat for her to use. My childminder bought a new carseat for my dd, because she wanted to be sure that the car seat would fit correctly in her car.