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CM-Increases fees by 22% and adds 3 extra days bank holidays

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westendmum · 15/08/2009 21:47

Our Chilminder , whom we really like and rate, has inc fees by 22% and has said she has added 3 days extra BH which are not actually BH in this area but in an adjoining area. I thinbk 22% is too much and this means she is asking for 14 days BH when most parents get 9 or 10 and neither my OH or I get any paid BH.

I don't want to fall out but she has said that she is doing the rate inc in conjunction with the other childminders in the area so that is it ie no room for any comment or negotiation.

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CarGirl · 15/08/2009 22:44

I have associates who are CMs they have told me that they are professionals and that the NCMA actively supports/suggests that they get PAID holidays. You probably have to be a NCMA member to look at their standard contracts.

The CM I used didn't have paid holidays as she has all part timers and preferred the flexiblity of unpaid holidays.

MrAnchovy · 15/08/2009 22:41

Yep, illegal in the UK too - the Office of Fair Trading supervise this - here is a quote from their site:

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Cartels are prohibited by law. If you are found to be a member of a cartel, you could be fined up to 10 per cent of your turnover for up to three years. In some cases, you could receive an unlimited fine or a prison sentence of up to five years.

The Office of Fair Trading (OFT) views cartels as the most serious form of anti-competitive agreement and is keen to uncover them. As part of its leniency programme, the OFT actively encourages businesses who are involved in anti-competitive behaviour to report such activities. Businesses that do this could be offered a reduced fine or immunity from prosecution.

The OFT is also prepared to offer financial rewards of up to £100,000 (in exceptional circumstances) for information about cartel activity.
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There was a prominent case involving public schools who always used to get together to set their fee increases for the subsequent year. They don't any more.

TheYearOfTheCat · 15/08/2009 22:39

Cargirl - I am not convinced by the information contained on the website. I wonder if there is a more explicit stance anywhere? I will have a look . . .

thirtypence · 15/08/2009 22:28

I think if she has done this rate increase in conjunction with other minders then this could be collusion or non competitive behaviour - that would be illegal in NZ - not sure about the UK.

I am a music teacher and do some work through a music school - we all have to set our own rates and the manager doesn't (can't)tell us what to charge. I also work self employed in a school and again same thing.

CarGirl · 15/08/2009 22:25

www.ncma.org.uk/MainWebSite/ContentPage9df2c089.aspx?Map=D38AAC3E69BD9ECC4265127461F3E3EF

"Alternatively, one way for you to keep your bank holidays to yourself would be to book them as holidays. These would come out of your annual entitlement, but you would be entitled to receive payment for these days as normal holiday."

the implication being that as a CM you should get paid holidays!

TheYearOfTheCat · 15/08/2009 22:19

Cargirl, have you a link to that advice? It seems incongruous that CM can be self employed (with all the attendant deductions from tax etc), but claim employee benefits.

TheYearOfTheCat · 15/08/2009 22:16

Can you ask her to justify the rise? Interest rates are down, fuel prices have dropped from last year's high, inflation is sitting at 1.8%.

What are the 14 days BH she is proposing?

CarGirl · 15/08/2009 22:14

how many holidays do you pay her for in total, because 14 days holiday per year - assuming your dc is full time, could be in line with what the NCMA says, they think CMs should have paid holidays as if they were employed rather than self employed.

It's a tricky one, depends if she is really charging the going rate or not.

westendmum · 15/08/2009 22:08

I would like to say to her it is just too steep a rise! In credit crunch times my work is only giving 2.5% rises and things are not going well so we might be looking at redundnciesn soon.

It seems wrong to push people into paying this kind of rise in these times.

I might of swallowed the rise it was the BH thing that pushed me into annoyed.

Technically if my work continues we are not badly off but we still have to watch money.
I always pay her months in advance so she gets the benefit of the money upfront.

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TheYearOfTheCat · 15/08/2009 22:00

Can you assess whether any other CMs in the area are doing the same, either by contacting them directly or asking other mums?

It seems a bit steep. I'd like to know where you live to get 14 days BH - I only get 8.