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Childminder holiday entitlement - 5 weeks full pay?!

38 replies

lizzie0975 · 29/06/2009 10:25

Hi everyone,
First time poster here, shout if I'm doing anything wrong!
Sorting out a childminder for my 9month old. She's asking for 5 weeks full holiday pay, plus bank holidays, plus 10 days sick pay should the need arise.
This seems unfair to me. Aren't I using her services and if she can't provide it because she's on hols I shouldn't have to pay? Would obviously expect to pay if we went on holiday when she's available. Really don't want to be difficult as she's great!

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Blondeshavemorefun · 29/06/2009 11:32

welcome

your cm seems to want a lot, esp as she is se

se normally means you dont get holidays or sick pay

but if you agree to it and sign a contract then not a problem

sure you can get a better deal

nannynick · 29/06/2009 11:19

What other options do you have? Have you visited other CM's in the area and ruled them out?
The positives of this particular CM to you may outweigh the negative aspects. It's for you to decide if you want to use this particular CM or keep on looking.

AtheneNoctua · 29/06/2009 11:14

Agree with others. She can charge this if you agree to it. But, you are not morally or otherwise obligated to agree to it. I would not sign up to these terms in a childminder. If she want to be my employee then I will expect her to show up for work at my house and get my kids ready for the day without my assistance. And, if she wants to be self-employed then she needs to cover her own overheads.

I would look elsewhere. And, as you have already said, I would be happy to pay her anytime she was available for work and I did not show up. But not when she is not available for work.

islandofsodor · 29/06/2009 11:07

Childminders are self employed so are not entitled to sick pay or holiday pay.

However if you sign a contract giving her that then you have to pay it.

We are self employed and we just budget over the year to cover holiday times. If we don;t work we don;t get paid.

I would not be at all happy with those terms and conditions in a childminder and would look elsewhere. In my opinion self employed people should incorporate overheads in their hourly charge and take out insurance to cover sickness as my husband has had to do.

fleacircus · 29/06/2009 10:55

I think that's pretty normal. We're contracted to pay four weeks' holiday at full pay, plus bank holidays and 10 days' sick pay (she's only ever had one sick day though). And we pay half price during the school holidays when DD doesn't go to the CM. But, I think she's great, and DD loves her, so I don't mind.

I'm entitled to full pay for holidays so I don't see why she shouldn't be, to be honest.

CarGirl · 29/06/2009 10:52

I have to say I prefer paying the the higher hourly rate rather than paying for holidays & sick.

waytoomuchchocolate · 29/06/2009 10:40

i don't pay for my CM's holiday or sick days but her hourly rate is quite high i think which is probably partly to compensate...

you're right that as a self-employed person you are using her services and she isn't 'entitled' to paid holiday, but that said, she can charge what she likes and as others have said, it's up to you whether you want to pay it or not...

personally, if you think she's great, i'd go for it. i had to make that choice when deciding whether my CM's hourly rate was too high (in comparison to others in the area) and i haven't regretted it.

southernbelle77 · 29/06/2009 10:34

Childminders all do things differently and it is up to you to choose the one you like best and whose terms and conditions meet with your approval. If you don't like them then you should look elsewhere. Or, if you really liked her but not her terms then tell her so and see what she says! No harm in asking!

TheOtherMaryPoppinsDiets · 29/06/2009 10:33

She will really be in the minority of CMs who have those terms I must stress.

CarGirl · 29/06/2009 10:33

When comparing with other CMs if they don't have paid holidays do they have higher hourly rates to compensate etc?

I think NCMA recommend the legal minimum of paid holidays per year but it is your decision whether to agree with her T&C or not.

ruddynorah · 29/06/2009 10:30

meaning of course you should go else where!

ruddynorah · 29/06/2009 10:29

she is self employed. she can ask for what she likes but you don't need to feel obligated to pay up,unless you really want to.

TheOtherMaryPoppinsDiets · 29/06/2009 10:28

Go elsewhere if you don't like her terms and conditions.