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What would an unqualified childcare worker earn ?

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Sorrento · 27/04/2009 20:11

If looking for somebody who would literally just run the children around to various activities and then cook them tea.
What would be a fair rate ?
Would pay for mileage too.

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Chellesgirl · 28/04/2009 18:48

well thats ok blondes I dont earn that much!

Blondeshavemorefun · 28/04/2009 17:20

dmo - my reply was for sorrento - never have i said that you couldnt look after your niece and numbers of children - so not sure why i got the {hmm}?

problems arise often if you work for F&F and then you disagree on work stuff and it can get messy so i would pay a nanny rather than use your brother

juneybean · 28/04/2009 16:08

Minimum wage is £5.73 not £5.77

dmo · 28/04/2009 16:01

all i meant was blondeshavemorefun is that my niiece is 6mths old and yesterday my baby rang in sick and my other niece was taken to hospital so it meant i could help out for the day

but if baby had not phoned in sick (yes she is a clever baby haha) i would have had 3 mindees so couldnt have my niece unless relatives dont count in your numbers

when my boys were small i didnt even have friends back after school for tea till mindess where gone as i would have been over my numbers

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Sorrento · 28/04/2009 15:09

Can we get back to meeeeeeee please

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Blondeshavemorefun · 28/04/2009 14:46

never work for friends or family

and if you did work for a member of your family in their home and you earned more than the tax/ni limit (think 117 a week) then tax and ni needs to be paid

i would employ a nanny/run a round and you def need to pay petrol at 40p a mile

cih means cash in hand, and you clearly meant that - and yes you are foolish and what you are doing is illegal if you earn over the tax threshold - but that is up to you - but as you say you earn £110 then think you are ok

though what i dont understand is if you are qualifed then why you dont ask for £6ph hr?

dmo · 28/04/2009 14:45

is what chellesgirl wrong when she said blood relatives are not counted in your numbers??
i thought they where

Chellesgirl · 28/04/2009 13:25

Yes on some occasions when his sisters not there I will help him with his HW, whats wrong with that.

malovitt · 28/04/2009 12:58

So, Chellesgirl, you help the children you look after to do their homework, eh?

Chellesgirl · 28/04/2009 12:42

You could call me a babysitter!

Theres no rules where thats concerned.

Foolish? Why? Who said CIH meant cash in hand anyway? I certainly didnt.

I dont think gordon brown could say shit, hes got us into 175 bill £s worth of debt and wants to spend YOUR taxes an a £2 mill pouns computer system to track all your private emails and calls.

Hes not helping my family at all. We dont claim Benefits, my dp works and pays tax, we pay road tax and insurance, rent and bills. Im only 'babysitting' to earn some extra spending money so I can buy some non 2nd hand clothes for once in her 15 month life!

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Sorrento · 28/04/2009 07:56

Oh no I mean sole responsibility of mine, not his, just a case of different needs and behavior isn't it, plus with them being his if he wants to allow cornflakes (and crunchy nut ones at that) for dinner well that's up to him but I wouldn't and I guess that niggles away at the back of my mind too.

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nannynick · 27/04/2009 23:43

Sorrento - If you provide bed and board, plus pay below the tax threshold (currently £95 per week) plus he has no other sources of income, then he would I feel be a live-in employee and thus exempt from National Minimum Wage, plus as you are paying below the threshold you don't need to do PAYE paperwork.
HMRC - PAYE: Basics is worth a read, to help you understand UK income tax and national insurance.

Someone can be untrained but still do marvellous things.

I'm a little concerned about something you wrote earlier: "But my younger brother is currently unemployed and has never worked with children before, but has two of his own, babies though and has helped out before but never sole responsibility."

If he has two young children of his own, why is he not caring for them? Would they come with him, stay with you? When you say "helped out before but never sole responsibility" is that of your children, or his own?

KatyMac · 27/04/2009 21:49

Well I'm not sure about 'kind' or 'foolish' it's certainly illegal

Plus how is it affecting your tax credits? & other benefits?

willowthewispa · 27/04/2009 21:34

Chellesgirl, I wish you would check your facts before making statements about things!

I also don't think taking cash in hand work is "kind", it's very foolish.

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Sorrento · 27/04/2009 21:01

I think i'd keep him under the threshold because he'd get bed and board too, so it would almost be pocket money really.
The DC's are 5, 6 and 8. I do trust him, in terms of loving the children and keeping them safe but I suppose it's the childcare courses and qualifications I'm having my head turned by, I love the idea of Mary Poppins doing marvelous things with them.
In reality though my previous experience has been one lazy mare and one psychopath so maybe just loving them is enough.

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KatyMac · 27/04/2009 21:00

That's about being eligible for childcare costs from Tax credits

You will have to pay Tax & NI trust me - I used to work for them

Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:57

www.hmrc.gov.uk/taxcredits/start/who-qualifies/children/childcare-costs.htm

KatyMac · 27/04/2009 20:56

Very different Sorrento

If you paid your brother - you would either pay him under the Tax/NI threshold or you would pay his Tax & NI

Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:55

is it oops. let me revise

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Sorrento · 27/04/2009 20:54

That's an american site, surely the rules are different here ?

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Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:54

If i was working full time for £10 HR id be paying half this in nursery fees for dd, so whats the point for me?

KatyMac · 27/04/2009 20:52

Chellesgirl That is an american site

Chellesgirl · 27/04/2009 20:52

willow, i am a fully qual nanny/nursery nurse etc... i wouldnt expect a family to have to pay me so much been as im there 5 n a half hrs a day. i get to bring my dd too, so it saves me getting childcare.

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Sorrento · 27/04/2009 20:52

Thank you

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KatyMac · 27/04/2009 20:51

Whether employed or self employed if you are paying someone money whether family or not, the HMRC will expect some TAX & NI from someone

I thik you are mixing up regulations

NCMA say that you can pay family money without them being a childminder not that you can pay them without paying Tax & NI