IMHO some people have gone completley batty

many a later regretful poster of the inappropriate emoticon...

bk it was the grins wot dunnit

Ooooop's just remember something... a friend works in a nanny agency in the Oxon area & there staff are by invitation only. Some of their staff who are reading @ Oxford inveribily (ops spelling) it is suggested to them to do their Dip NNursing (P/T) so they can earn a prof salary whislt reading their 4yr & some case 4yr+ degrees. The dip NN is a good grounding for certain professional they may lead on to such as Paeds, mental health, clinical (paeds)therapists.
The agency has placed a particular member of staff who is an emminent doctor in her field with a particual client as a (1) day temp,(the client herself for her child is apparently was/is on the waiting list for this doctor)Lucky for them now.

FAO: Tamum
Majority of my nanny friends have qualified all to the nines as I will put it. The ones who have gone on to do the PGCE(teaching) after med or law school (all British nationals). Med school etc 7yrs, then was called NNEB etc....really to be able to work in any/every field of childcare...always employable. Myself without being bigheaded Privately trained nursery nurse, Mat Nurse, Medic, Governess, Nanny etc specialises in neonates, multiples through to older children including SEN's. UK & International travelled...prefers formal households....but that me. A associate is a paeditrician who also hold NNEB & PGCE(teaching) also working as professional UK Nanny. Average age groups of most of friends, associates 30yrs++

Always able to be in work...fantastic

FAO: Aismum You DO, do the most fantastic job (so to speak..Job) Your a MUMMY & you are D/D's mummy.

FAO: All, what does sadden me that how some people on here "go for the attack" Wow or the vulgarities...mind blowing.

What I don't understand is the attacks for certain people offering sertain salaries... families will always offer the best they can afford..it goes without saying. Sadly we all have to live-in within our own budgets.

Like all employees we have choices to apply for certain position childcare or non childcare etc... we approach salaries we would like..thats life. Just because a parent appears to some not offering much...well it is alot for them or within their budget. All childcarers/professionals need to start some where... Sadly it would appear the more experienced ones have tended to either answer rudely or expressed a more polite opinion what they would expect.

The really only affordable childcare out there is childminders, nurseries, Aupairs who are professional childcarers in their own country & Aupairs. Thereafter the more exspensive is Nurse practioners/Professional/& or Experienced UK Nannies etc.

Agree, Caligula. FWIW, I'm glad I don't pay £70 a day nursery fees like I've heard some people do.

What's wrong with being glad that you don't pay as much for childcare/ food/ your car/ clothes/ school fees/ whatever than other people?

Is there something morally wrong with being relieved that you don't have such high bills for a particular aspect of your life than somebody else? I really don't get this.

Hold on girls - we are entitled to get annoyed, down, peeved, upset, etc.... with our childcare - I did this week and have to say Uwila was a source of support to me. I went on with a rant and a moan but it was just the way i felt at the time. We are all HUMAN and not PERFECT and no matter what the job is we can all complain. For example - milkman comes late and DD is left without her milk I will rant for her sake not particularly mine. IYKWIM

cd, uwila already explained that remark - an off the cuff comment in the midst of a very heated thread - don't agree with the sentiment but hey i have said things on mn that i regret before now. cassied - and imho working mums in general - got a real kicking on that thread, which i think i mentioned at the time.

Thanks, CD... not! I already referenced that conversation, explained it's context and said I really didn't want to relive that thread, but now that you've given enough information for the whole conversation to be dug up, I suspect I'll be reliving it soon.

(that should have been)

Ahem

What Uwila actually said (in former incarnation as CassieD) was:

However, I am glad that I don't pay as much as you guys do for childcare grin]

hi Lurker alert after lurking lots I can see why RTKM asks for people to respect the carers of their children. Some of the things I have read have me! But I suppose the issue really is empathy, to understand the difficult position of both parent and carer and to appreciate both! My sister was a nanny aged 18 she used to phone home in tears! and I am sure that her employers were not horrible people or felt they treated her unfairly - but maybe didn't understand the stresses of being a very young live in nanny away from home - and working 12+ hrs a day? Looking after kids is a really important job and I am sure the way the carer is made to feel - affects the quality of care they give. My boss gets huffy at me - I go on MN - hence I don't do my job well! iyswim

I don't recall anyone boasting about how little they pay their domestic staff. Those people on the low end of the earnings scale seem to be saying that they are paying as much as they can possibly afford without actively going into debt.

Why doesn't someone come out and say that a nanny is not a suitable arrangement for them, if that's what they really mean. Or that working is not right either if the figures just don't seem to add up.

OTOH, if the main point of working while the children are small is to keep the continuity of their career, is that the same as saying they are investing in their career, and therefore would it be appropriate to go into debt during these years in order to pay closer to the market average on domestic help?

Perhaps we ought to post this question on the thread in question... and was I asked to explain that? Must have missed that question.

you still haven't explained what you meant, uwila, by your comment on that other thread "I could be a teacher...but then how on earth would I pay my nanny?!! ( smiley emoticon)". Was it intended to be a dig at how little teachers earn in comparison to you? or was it a strangely backhanded compliment of some kind? be interested in a response here.....

It's okay sophable. I think I did once say something many moons ago about being glad that I had better shopping skils than other parents. But, in fairness, it was said in anger when I was being attacked by many for being a horribly mum. There was another comment from someone on that very same thread that read "I would have a dog let alone a child if I only had an hour a day to look after it" or something like that. The posters user id was critic and he/she hasn't been seen on this site since that day... presumably because critic isn't his/her usual name on mumsnet. Anyway, I most certainly don't want to relive that thread. But, I just wanted to make the point that I did once say something about the ow wage, but I don't go around gloating about. Anyway... enough said on this topic.

Also, I think for me the most offensive part of Kanga's messages is that by repeatedly telling people to respect their carers seems to imply that they do not. And when asked about this by many people she could not explain so that resulted in us getting more and more insistant on her telling us just what she meant by respect and what exactly were we being accused of.

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Sophable I can actually understand your argument, at least you've got a coherent and valid one. Sorry, but Kanga didn't really have one, which made it look like the whole point of the thread was not to discuss what is a very interesting and important topic, but to have a dig at other Mumsnetters without coming straight out and saying so.

Kanga, I'm sorry if that wasn't your intention, but it really is what it looked like (to me at least).

ok uwila. it was a long time ago anyway. I'm sorry you're distressed about your financial situation (maybe that was why you were pleased at how little you were paying your nanny/aupair). Personal attacks are crap and i've just been drawn into one. so sorry. but the rest of my post stands: do you not think that it's true that childcarers should be accorded real respect (in much the same way that perhaps someone who was an MD might be, or a Justice of the Peace?), i'm frustrated that the real point being made, which as i interpret it is a valid one, is being ignored because of emoticons and fluff. it seems to me that there is a gender reason for this too. it strikes me that any job that is done predominantly by women suffers to some extent from this (this is aside from the ambivalence felt by parents that i've gone into below): childcare is one example, but the status of teaching has dropped massively since women entered the profession and the same is beginning to happen with law and medicine.

back to my main point. we should treat the people that care for our children as part of our family...to our children they often are as important as family imho...i think it's wrong and not in a child's best interests to dismiss them as replaceable, poorly qualified, cheap labour.

ok uwila. it was a long time ago anyway. I'm sorry you're distressed about your financial situation (maybe that was why you were pleased at how little you were paying your nanny/aupair). Personal attacks are crap and i've just been drawn into one. so sorry. but the rest of my post stands: do you not think that it's true that childcarers should be accorded real respect (in much the same way that perhaps someone who was an MD might be, or a Justice of the Peace?), i'm frustrated that the real point being made, which as i interpret it is a valid one, is being ignored because of emoticons and fluff. it seems to me that there is a gender reason for this too. it strikes me that any job that is done predominantly by women suffers to some extent from this (this is aside from the ambivalence felt by parents that i've gone into below): childcare is one example, but the status of teaching has dropped massively since women entered the profession and the same is beginning to happen with law and medicine.

back to my main point. we should treat the people that care for our children as part of our family...to our children they often are as important as family imho...i think it's wrong and not in a child's best interests to dismiss them as replaceable, poorly qualified, cheap labour.

i'm happy to call a spade a spade: i think it's disgusting to boast about how little you pay your childcarer, and i think you have in the past been guilty of this uwila.

Show me where I've said this. Perhaps I have lashed out in anger on the subject when being criticised for the small amount I have to offer??? I honestly don't recall. But, I hesitate to accept that I go around boasting about my financial situation, which is in fact an enormous source of distress at this point in my life.

Ummm, have no idea what the intrigue-in-question is, but riled is a v common word especially in the Midlands and further North....