inappropriate boss behaviour

Simplyme - actually, as you asked, lets compare the wrongly dismissed employee with a 'left in the lurch' employer.

The first has no income and in the current economic climate may find it very difficult to find a new job in the near future. result: no income. Which can easily lead to home repossession and homelessness, ruined credit rating, and all round disaster in all aspect of their life.

The second has a very inconvenient situation, no question, and in the short term this may lead to some loss of earnings as they have to take time off while they arrange emergency childcare. of course, an employee is legally entitled to some time off (albeit unpaid) to deal with childcare emergencies, so they will NOT lose their job over this. Then they will arrange a long term replacement. So a short term hassle, but no permanent harm.

No real comparison, is there????

Simplyme, my original post was in reply to Blondeshavemorefun, who was complaining that no-one had sympathy with an employer who is given one months notice by a nanny, which she would have to do to leave her job lawfully.

The issue of an employee leaving without giving the required notice is completely different, and you never mentioned that was your issue - has it happened to you?

If that happens, the employee has breached their contract and the employer is entitled to pursue them for damages, in the same way an employee dismissed without notice can sue for damages.

In the OPs case, she is being given one months notice per her contract but then will be jobless, and in the current economic climate that is not a good position to be in. She has NO legal remedy, even though she gave her employer no good reason to sack her.

You were talking about completely DIFFERENT apples, but never told us!

The wrongly dismissed employee has all of my sympathies but why are you comparing a wrongly dismissed employee with an employer given notice?
How about a wrongly dismissed employee with a 'left in the lurch' employer??

Lets compare apples with apples here!!

Yes, Simplyme, I do see that losing a nanny is very inconvenient for employer apart from the emotional aspects, but if a month's notice is given it should be possible to make arrangements for cover even if short term solutions are used for a while.

It does not compare with the problems faced by an employee who loses their job through no fault of their own - repossession, homelessness, inability to pay bills...

My sympathies are with the wrongly dismissed employee, not with the employer facing some short term inconvenience.

Jack99 I think loosing your nanny does uproot your life actually!! I don't think nannies are that easily replaced! Well I KNOW I'm not that easily replaced anyway!!

The nanny is a big part of the families life and most importantly the children's. They come to rely on and love their nannies and it is a security thing for them. Also finding a nanny that fits the family can be as hard for them as for us. It also could affect their jobs as in reliability and having to take time off if they can't find a replacement.

The fact is that changing nannies is hard for the families and the nannies and I hate leaving a job the most as it is usually heartbreaking if you and they care or hurtful if they don;t

Blondes - Yes, sorry , it is a minimum of a year. Thought the rules had changed but no. Seems really unfair that someone can be just thrown out of their job on a whim through no fault of their own and they have no legal protection.

It is very different to a nanny giving notice if they find another job, all the employer has to do is find a replacement. Might take up a bit of time, but does not uproot their life and destroy their financial security. This is what happens to an employee who is simply cast off in this way for no good reason.

so glad I'm no longer a nanny.

In my last job, I was babysiting one night and the mother phoned me to ask to me th take the children home as she couldn't cope anymore and was going to end it Her partner then came home and told me to leave, it was absolutely horrendous, the arguements they had were awfulm, all I could do was turn the music on really loud and dance around with the kids 3 floors down fromt eh screaming - so wish I'd called SS on them.

least you got a ref

good luck with job hunt - what area are you in?

maybe someone on here knows of a nice job?

Yes, she's been asked to leave for such a silly reason. I sympathise with you marypoppins2 because although it sounds like you are much better off out of there it is a difficult job market at the moment and though you leaving the job is the best thing it's always a bit difficult to explain that to a potential employer who doesn't know you and doesn't know the ins and outs of the job that you are leaving. jack99 unfortunately, because she has been there for under a year there is not a lot she can do about it, unfair .

op has only been there 7mths, does the same rules apply? Thought there was a min of a year

seems a bit unfair that a nanny can leave if she gets offered a better job etc, but if the employer gets rid of the nanny, then it could go to a tribunal

An employer cannot just sack an employee (and this is what giving notice is) without a good reason. A good reason would have to be gross misconduct warranting summary dismissal, other misconduct after going through a proper disciplinary procedure, or redundancy. If you are made redundant your employer cannot replace you.

It sounds as if your employer has no good reason to sack you therefore you have a good case to take your emplyer to an industrial tribunal and claim compensation.

That is the law. You may or may not want to do this, but employers cannot just throw employees out on a whim.

Every mum has to make the decision to either go back to work or stay at home and raise the kids and if she chooses to go to work then she has to realise that the kids will come to rely on their nanny

i think this is a bit harsh, some mums HAVE to go back to work, and its not really a choice for them, maybe your mb really wants to be asahm but just cant afford to if has a big mortgage etc

this is one of the reasons why i ask at interviews, why does the mum work, if they say they have to, i stay clear - the ones who say they want to are better to work for imo

anyway hope your last few weeks are too stressful and hopefully you can stay in touch with the children,and yes tech a mb can give a nanny notice, just as a nanny can hand hers in

oh yes... the mum sounds barking mad... but i think she has been given notice which surely all employers are allowed to do at any time?

Surely that's only the case if she's been made redundant nannyL? That's not the cae here, she's been sacked (by a neurotic mother!!!)

i hope she realises she cant legally replace you for 3 months!

Nutter!

Sue her.
Unfair dismissal.

Oh Dear Oh Dear. A woman who wants her children to be miserable without her? Poor children!!

You sound like a good nanny alright, but how dare you not pander to her needs 24 hours a day!? Didn't you see the clause about being her emotional crutch?

Honestly!!

That does sound like a pretty sad situation to be honest, I do worry about the children in all of this. Thank goodness you had a contract though, and can see through her hysterics.

I'm so sorry this has ended like this - do you have another job?
What does she say when you point out she has no hold on YOUR time when you're not at work? I can't believe she doesn't get that!

OMG is all i have to say

you are better off out of there... fired for not answering your phone while in church at a christening while not at work... have herd a few random things but have never herd of that!

Are you still working for her during this 5 week period? hat the hell is her problem? Employer from hell somewhat!

You poor thing. Sounds like a nightmare and it sounds like you are better off out of it. It's a shame for the children and for you as it's not the best time to job hunt but I really hope you find something that doesn't have a lunatic boss. My lunatic boss is calling. Good luck