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All the boring stuff (tax, vouchers) for nanny's employers as of post-April 2005

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majorstress · 18/04/2005 08:51

Uwila and others who have very recent experience of the CURRENT situation for small-fry employers-could you please summarise your experiences with Nannypaye.com? I noticed you seemed disatisfied on one thread. Did you use their contract templates at all as well as their tax service? I have looked at their site and the Nannytax.com site too. I noticed that as you say, there is more info on Nannytax.com, for example they have some useful help about how to get your nanny up to the new governement "soft-touch" standard for example regarding courses, which then allows you to use childcare vouchers (I need this info as my nanny is a really just an newly ex-aupair without formal quals in childcare-she is a qualified teacher but I presume that doesn't count-I was pleased to see on nannytax that there is an online course she could do, for example, which I hadn't come across before).

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majorstress · 26/04/2005 11:50

No thanks Uwila no more IRS publications please!!

I am afraid that they will count my income before the vouchers are taken out, and then somehow I won't have paid enough tax by their standards, so I will end up paying the US instead. The difference between the UK and US tax is getting smaller every year- wars cost money I guess.

I like the UK system where they just help themselves to your tax, VAT etc and don't bother YOU with the details! My income is below the limit to pay anything anyway to the US as I live abroad, but I have never filled in that one, I always just shown them my even-bigger UK tax and that means I don't owe them anything and don't look at anything else-it's just the stress of filling in and figuring out the forms that gets me. I just copy what I did last year. And I never get it done in time for Apr 15, I usually take the 2 month extension for people living abroad. THAT would be too organised-also it takes me ages to get the right letters out of HR.

The problem is when there is something different-US citizens seem to be able to claim something for childcare nowadays but I don't understand it-these things always take hours to work out, then the bottom line always says, oh BTW, majorstress is not eligible.

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uwila · 26/04/2005 11:11

I don't get so far as to worry about childcare expenses on my us taxes because my income is below the level which I can take tax free as a bona fide resident of another country. But, beyond that level you can take a foreign tax credit whereby you deduct foreign income taxes paid to another country from those which you would owe on your income if you were resident in the US (betond the first $80,000.00 which is exempt for those of us who do not live in the US). You probably know all of this, but if you want, I can send you some lovely IRS publications on the matter.

I HATE US taxes.... so glad April 15 has passed!!

majorstress · 26/04/2005 09:38

Any Americans dealing with vouchers etc. out there? What do you tell the IRS about your childcare costs? I have a nightmare every year with my giant full size forms and it just gets more of a panic every year-and with the little horrors oops sorry my delightful dds I have less and less time and brainpower to figure it out. Should I hire an accountant? who? how? where? HELP!

In my experience any UK tax-free money stuff is not recognised by the US, so I am worried I will just end up trading any savings I make in the UK for a bill and a headache from the IRS which is even worse.

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majorstress · 26/04/2005 09:31

Excellent! you are a solomon's mine of info. Thanks from very very grateful and rather mollified majorstress!!

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jothorpe · 25/04/2005 19:06

First Aid training courses are run around the country by St Johns Ambulance and Red Cross. There are also other local providers.

I would suggest that you take a look at St John Ambulance as they have an easy to use Online Booking System and you can find out loads of helpful information.

The trouble with current courses is however that they don't all cover the requirements for the Childcare Approval Scheme:

  • dealing with emergencies
  • resuscitation
  • shock, choking and anaphylactic shock.

It's the Anaphylactic Shock that can be tricky to find on a course.

Early Years First Aid does include Anaphylactic Shock and meets the requirements for First Aid Training for nursery/pre-school staff as well as that required for the Childcare Approval Scheme . Therefore I would suggest that your childcarer does this course as it's recognised as being suitable. Cost varies around the county. Tip for those in London, have a look at courses run in Surrey/Berkshire which are near train stations, as it can often be cheaper travelling an hour by train to a venue outside of the capital.

uwila · 25/04/2005 14:03

Would check with Sure Start / Nestor to see if you can get one that counts towards her become accredited (and hence qualifying to the £50 vouchers)

Can't remember the web address... will have a look and post it if I can find it.

majorstress · 25/04/2005 13:08

Thanks! Where would I look for a paediatric first aid course for her do you reckon?

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uwila · 23/04/2005 19:37

I don't think you are obligated to pay for her to take this class. But, it might be in your interest to help out. Perhaps you could pay for the actualy class, but ask nanny to attend class and perform associated course work on her own time?

jothorpe · 23/04/2005 19:19

I haven't had to find a course but if you are wanting suggestions on courses that are suitable then here are a few:

MNT are running courses - cost is around £60 last I heard.

County Councils / EYDCP's often run training courses aimed at Childminders. The course you need to look at is: Introduction to Childminding Practice. This course is listed by SureStart as being suitable. In Surrey area, cost seems to be typically £50-£55, though looking through the SurreyCC training directory, not many of the venues listed price.

DO I think you should pay for it... well, hard to say really. As you will benfit from the Tax/NI savings, perhaps as in exchange for the nanny spending her own time doing the cours, you pay the enrolment fee. That why the cost is sort of shared between yourself and your nanny - you paying the financial part, the nanny 'paying' the time element.

majorstress · 21/04/2005 23:12

At the risk of continuing being boring, I would like to humbly inquire if anyone else has had to find a course to get their nanny (title earned by experience not official training) up to scratch enough to qualify for childcare vouchers under the new "soft-touch" regulations. What is the cheapest easiest way? Do you think I should pay for it all?

I'm kind of glad this is a determinedly boring thread actually-you guys are wearing me out with the drama of this very emotive topic . See you in the morning....

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majorstress · 20/04/2005 12:38

That was my feeling in general-relief that the future is sorted at least for the moment.

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majorstress · 20/04/2005 12:38

That was my feeling in general-relief that the future is sorted at least for the moment.

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uwila · 19/04/2005 17:03

Well, she actually resigned. She has a job as a social worker which begins when she leaves me. I was SOOOOOOOO happy when she gave me this news. It saved having to spend a month with someone I had fired (although technically she would have been made redundant). She gave notice to leave 01 May. But as my maternity leave begins 2 weeks later, I asked her to stay on through the 13th and she said she would. It is much more pleasant now. I think because when she does the things that piss me off, I just shrug it off (okay not always, but a lot more than I used to) because I figure, oh well she's leaving anyway so no point in bother to address the issue.

majorstress · 19/04/2005 15:30

that is funny; it's one advantage of having a live in, their weak spots are very quickly apparent! but so are yours....

Has she got another job yet? are you giving her a reference?

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uwila · 19/04/2005 15:27

This morning was her 3rd lesson. We have a Mac3 (three wheeler) and a Techno classic. Last week she took the mac 3 on the train because it was warm out and she couldn't figure out how to get the foot muff off of the techno. Snaps = LOW technology on my book. So, rest assured the TV will be way beyond her capability.

majorstress · 19/04/2005 15:05

go technophiles go! Oh yes and the Maclaren pram test of physical and mental fortitude! This should be compulsory training for all, in high school.

  1. Open and close and put away, without putting raincover in any forgettable place=BASIC TRAINING.

  2. Allow wet pram and raincover to dry first, then fold and put away; and put on buckles and get through doorways without pinching baby's hand=ADVANCED CERTIFICATE

I have had to show so many helpers and relatives repeatedly how to do this and most never can manage it-but hang on, no one ever showed ME even once!!! I just had to DO it, and keep trying until it worked...every single day, slipped disc or not. I couldn't just leave it in everyone's way at the nursery.

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uwila · 19/04/2005 14:48

Yeah, it's the only show I have forbidden and she still watches it. This morning I sort of accidentally (ahem!) loosened the connection at the back of the tv. Nanny came to me at about 7:30 to tell me that there were no voices on the tv, and I just looked at her and said it didn't have time to look at it.... ha ha. Won't be watching Max and Ruby today. He he... I've contemplated this stunt for about a week. Oh what fun.

Nanny won't sort it out herself. She can't even open a Maclaren pram on her own.

majorstress · 19/04/2005 14:30

Only Max and Ruby? Inertia kept putting on Ready Steady Cook, to my annoyance, regardless of our written contract about TV (I was upstairs in bed), because SHE wanted it-but my mum noticed the 2 girls riveted one morning by another cookery programme, she explained it to me when DD1 demanded homemade mushroom soup that evening (we never have soup). so they soon developed a taste...
Current nanny disapproves of TV more than me! Yippee! I have gradually come to agree, it has been a big mistake for me to cop out by using tv to babysit while I got one with Very Important Household Chores (like anything could be more important than these kids interacting with their mum for the couple of hours between my getting home and their bedtime?). A lot of those programmes are really violent, and even the good ones are padded around by presenters acting like idiots and adverts for awful products, or, on BBC, for itself.

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uwila · 19/04/2005 06:18

it's cartoon on nick jr.

kitschnanny · 18/04/2005 23:58

What's max & ruby? I haven't watched any children's telly for a couple of years now since I finished my job with 'big boys'...

uwila · 18/04/2005 18:49

Sorry about the (lack of) formatting.

uwila · 18/04/2005 18:48

Since we are sharing contract bits, here's mine:

Duties

The Employee will be responsible for:
? Care of the children whilst parents work, usually sole charge, including but not limited to:
o Change nappies, bathe them, feed them, put them to bed (ie. for nap time), take them to their scheduled activities (Jo Jingles, Toddler groups, etc.)
o Entertain them as appropriate for their ages (with minimal TV viewing). TV viewing not to exceed one hour per day. Max and Ruby is never to be turned on.
o Educate them as appropriate for their ages
ï‚§ Teach them a foreign language (if applicable).
ï‚§ Teach them to eat properly, including both acceptable table manners as well as the importance of a healthful diet. Establish and maintain regular schedule of meal times.
ï‚§ Establish and maintain regular schedule of naps, as appropriate to their ages.
ï‚§ Other education as appropriate to their ages and abilities.
o Ensure their safety at all times.
o Inform employer on a regular basis of children?s educational progress (or lack thereof), eating habits (including food likes and dislikes), and daily activities. This includes, but is not limited to, maintaining a daily Nanny Diary.
o Demonstrate an awareness that children learn by example.
o Notify employer as soon as possible if children are unwell. If any medicine is given to children, inform employer immediately and ote accordingly in nanny diary.
? Housework associated with children (keep their room(s) tidy, change bedclothes and changing table cover, empty nappy bin as needed, keep children?s bathroom tidy, etc.)
? Pick up children?s belongings (toys, clothes, dishes, etc.) from around the house and garden and put them away at the end of each day (or encourage the children to do this themselves).
? Laundry, ironing, hanging/folding, and putting away of clothes in their proper place for children?s clothes.
? Keep kitchen clean and tidy, including but not limited to the children?s dishes.
? Occasional babysitting by prior arrangement (and paid additional to the terms of this contract).

beachyhead · 18/04/2005 18:06

I'm just about to embark on the live in nanny so I'll need your help too!!!!!

majorstress · 18/04/2005 15:50

Well I will make good use of your experience as I am just embarking on yet another type of childcare experience-the live out nanny-I am determined to try everything, I just love the challenge of going broke and juggling it all (NOT). But really, I am going to use it to help organise the week for my new lady-though she seems quite capable of organising things very well so far.

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