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Just carpeted AP - please make supportive noises! Tired mum, patience exhausted.

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BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 08:21

Long post, apologies in advance. Badly need to get this off my chest.

Some of you may be familiar with my AP saga. We've had a lot of APs over the years, some good, some ad, some indifferent.

Basically the current one is a nice enough lass of 21, who has been with me since November, and was at university doing a biology degree last academic year, but often very inefficient, and had to be dealt with by the agency early on for only doing what she felt like doing when she felt like doing it, resulting in minor but persistent domestic chaos which was driving me nuts. There has been some improvement in key areas since then but there are still problems.

Background is I am having a fourth baby in 5 weeks, have bad SPD, and am very very tired, so need a reasonable level of domestic support.

Recent misdemeanours have included failing to come home at the time she is supposed to, because she felt like taking DS2 (7) to the shops and library spontaneously, so DS1 (11) came home to an empty house after school and panicked and went back to school in tears, causing a major incident with the Deputy Head phoning me etc (I was at the hospital for an appointment). I carpeted her for that, and told her if it ever happened again she would be on the next plane back home because the children's safety was paramount. I noticed a more minor repeat of the incident happened on DH's watch a couple of weeks ago, but he is a bit of a softy, and didn't tell her off like I did.

There's a lot more stuff as well. I was in the kitchen last night and noticed the oven door was looking grubby, so went over to give it a quick wipe. The back story here is that I have just had Ovenu in to completely overhaul it at a cost of £120, because the AP had not been wiping it after spilling things and it had got into a right state. I had explained to her the need to wipe up after yourself when using ovens, otherwise the fat etc all bakes on and then makes the thing impossible to use (which she had originally been complaining about). When I opened the oven door I could see that she can't have wiped it once since the bloke came, because it was caked in dirt and grease, the Lakeland teflon liner at the bottom had spilled fat all over it and was so grimy and greasy it could hardly be removed from the oven floor, and there was a tray of charred cooked food from the end of last week sitting there in pride of place on the middle shelf. Ugh.

I started cleaning up after her using my Lakeland oven chemicals, such was the state of the thing, but it soon became clear that she had let it go to the point where it needed the man to come in again after only 4 weeks of relatively light use. You should know that it was very painful for me to scrub away at the oven with my hips in the state they are in, and also I cannot cook myself at the moment because I can't lift the hot dishes.

She also has been taking 8-10 hours to fold the washing and do the ironing each week, a job which has taken other APs up to 4 hours and takes me 2 in my normal fit state, and spends a lot of time hiding in the utility room doing this, but failing to help the children with their homework and music practice, which is what she is supposed to be doing between 4-5 each day. I try to help the kids as well but the painkilling drugs I am on mean I can be quite out of it sometimes at this time of day, and this is very hard. The laundry backlog got particularly huge last week and I found DH in there late one evening trying to finish off the pairing of socks, folding of school polo shirts and so on from the mountain, but he works a 60-70 hour week and frankly I do not think he should have to do this.

Similarly I showed her how to clean the kids' room and shower room a couple of times (the only cleaning she is supposed to do apart from wiping up after herself), but she has reverted to that thing APs do where they just do a bit of token dusting and hoovering in the easy areas, leaving the ornaments, tops of shelves and so on. We now have a situation in which the window frame is literally black with mould, a problem as we are all allergic to mould spores here. She has not wiped the window once, that means. You can also draw in the dust.

I have just sat her down and told her she has to start doing all her jobs properly and thoroughly, and is on two weeks' notice to improve otherwise we will have to review whether she stays at all. She did a bit of a poor little girl act (she is good at that, particularly with DH) but I just told her to pull her socks up and give us the help we need and are paying for, not what she can be bothered to do. This means she may well give notice herself leaving me stranded just before the birth, and rather rueing having paid an agency £400 to provide us with her last November, but I am thinking I probably can't go on picking up the pieces after her.

Has anyone else had problems like this, and what was the resolution??

Also any supportive murmurings badly needed here.

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BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 19:43

I did have a stay in hospital a month ago as I said, and it helped a lot, but declined the offer of another visit for now, although I wouldn't be surprised if I end up back there at some point because it's definitely deteriorating day by day.

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morningpaper · 23/02/2009 19:42

Naaah I had a spinal consultant team but basically I have hypermobility isshoooos which is bad news for SPD

I got the referral to the pain clinic but had given up by them TBH so weaned and just went round the back of the hospital and bought heroin*

DH won't let me get knocked up again...

*am exaggerating

Weegle · 23/02/2009 19:39

were you under the Pain Clinic though? They will push the limits further than Obs/Gynae who go by the book? For example, if I have a future pregnancy I will be admitted periodically and given epidural pain relief - well that ain't gonna happen just by speaking to my GP/midwife/Obs about pain - they just look up in their book and say ok you can only have xyz. I was on co-codamol till very close to the end iirc. But as BM says the opiates do need to be out of your system for respiratory reasons in the newborn. Anti-inflammatories tend to be the big no no for both pregnancy and breastfeeding.

morningpaper · 23/02/2009 19:37

thanks boffinmum that is SO interesting! How do they manage the risk of codeine addiction in the baby?

Acute pain team smiled cheerfully at me and that was about it while I continued to breastfeed

Now I have lots of proper drugs and it is lovely great to be off my face again able to break the cycle with a few days of serious anti-inflammatories every now and then

morningpaper · 23/02/2009 19:34

lol am intriiiiigued by all types of painkillers during pregnancy and breastfeeding as I was banned from using any despite beign bedridden at parts

It's interesting how GPs seem to vary

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 19:34

I'm supervised by the hospital acute pain team, so they have been able to push the boundaries a bit with my medication. I am on 60 mg codeine 4 x day taken with 1000mg paracetemol 4 x day to enhance the effect, with Oramorph for breakthrough pain (that one makes me incredibly out of it and I feel like there's a small elephant sitting on my chest). I'm not allowed anti-inflammatories during pg because of the risk of fetal heart defects. I also have a hospital TENS machine on all day. The consultant wants me to come off the opiates by week 38 to avoid potential problems with respiration in the newborn baby - apparently the half life of the drug means you need 2 weeks to clear it out of your system. They are also arranging an antidote to be available in case there still is a problem and the neonate team will be made aware when I go into labour. Complicated stuff!

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PandaG · 23/02/2009 19:32

I was prescribed cocodamol for spd - made me completely spaced out. I ended up hospitalised for a month before I had DD

only useful comment I can make on an AP thread!

morningpaper · 23/02/2009 19:24

co-codamol deffo not allowed during the last few months though IIRC

Weegle · 23/02/2009 19:21

morningpaper obviously can't answer for the OP but when I was preg I was taking max strength co-codamol - made me pretty whacked out. That stuff still makes me more spaced than the low dose of morphine I have pumping through me every minute of every day, weird.

morningpaper · 23/02/2009 19:16

I try to help the kids as well but the painkilling drugs I am on mean I can be quite out of it

VERY curious about this because I've had lots and lots of problems during pregnancy and breastfeeding and was never allowed anything other than paracetamol, or ibruprofen if I was feeling like living life with ker-azeee risk-taking. What are you being prescribed?

solanum · 23/02/2009 19:09

"Au pairs who are in a family with school age children are not working for the minimum hours expected UNLESS they have tasks to help with in the daytime. Hence,it is entirely reasonable for part of their duties to involve cleaning children's rooms, a bathroom, tidying up after themselves in the kitchen including mopping the kitchen floor regularly,doing some ironing."

Sorry for typing errors.

solanum · 23/02/2009 19:06

Boffinmum- you have my sympathy entirely. I have had similar issues with au pairs-never something MAJOR and DRAMATIC but a continuing lack of actually improving the day to day easy flow of life in the house, with issues over things such as not cleaning the bathroom that she used along with the
children,unless I told her to: ie when spoken to about it, I'd get a blanklook and a "I do that on Fridys" comment- the toliet NEVER being cleaned out properly at all. This means that you have to keep checking everything, which kind of defeats the purpose of having an au pairliving in.Issues such as, cleaning children's rooms, yet, after about 9 weeks, underneath the children's beds there was so much dust that she had to be told to clean it out and then I was told that it was too dusty for her to clean in one morning.......

I is alwys cleaning that seems to be the issue, yet people who havenothad an aupaairthink that if youmention cleaning thatis somehownot an au pairs job.

Aupairswho are in a family with school agechildren are nowayworking for the minimum hours expected UNLESS they have tasks to help with in the daytime. Hence,it is entirely reasonable for part of their duties to involve cleaning children's rooms, a bathroom, tidy up after themselves in the kitchen including mopping the kitchen floor regularly,doing some ironing.

If I had an au pair now and she did not make sure that she was in the house to let my child in after school, if that had been made clear to her at the start as part of her duties, she would be out if she did it more than twice. If she has been told to be in for them, then she has to be there.

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 18:53

Aha, that is a good way of putting it, Weegle, and makes me feel a lot better.

Round here there are a lot of language students who spend four figure sums on a few weeks' family accommodation over the summer, sometimes even in a shared bedroom, smaller than our AP gets, with less food and perks provided.

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Weegle · 23/02/2009 18:49

It sounds like you might have just helped her to grow up - which afterall is a lot of what they come over for!

I think a lot of people don't realise the two-sided-ness of the AP relationship. It's not employer/employee but neither is it slave/master as some people seem to think. It very much is about an equal partnership and each party must feel they are getting their side of the deal met in return for what they give. AP's aren't just exchange students who get a roof and board for a short period of time. They are here to do something for their board and lodging and striking that balance right with housework & childcare offsetting against the opportunity to study/perks/pocket money/opportunities to explore another country is often overlooked by those on the outside looking in making their judgement calling an AP host a slave driver. So don't worry Boffin Mum - if you really did treat AP's in a slave like manner they a) wouldn't stay and b) you wouldn't have a history of lovely AP's who've valued their time with you so much they stay in touch and come back to visit etc.

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 18:44

That's reassuring, ThinkingAbout. I think my APs have a pretty reasonable deal in that case with 20% housework and 80% keeping an eye on the kids. Obviously nobody is going to house and feed an adult for free in return for the odd unreliable school run. Or if they did, surely we would all be doing this!

I have got more rest today after the initial energy expenditure at the supermarket, because she's been on top of things a lot more, so that's been brilliant.

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thinkingabout3 · 23/02/2009 18:22

I don't think that you are unreasonable at all, I think that people on here who have never had an aupair have the idea that they're free guests who might do a school run if it suits them.

My aupair, cleans the house twice a week, irons twice a week, is responsible for the childrens bedding and laundry and does some school runs and dinner supervision whilst I am at work / taking to activities.

I absolutely expect a decent level of cleaning and she is fine but she has an aversion to skirting boards, window frames and dust under sofa's so I do them but the guidelines I was given suggested that they should spend no more than 30% of their time on housework and she doesn't but I do expect her to keep on top of things

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 17:30

She has been much better the whole rest of the day, so I can only hope it lasts. I think her confession over coffee was very helpful, as it seemed she genuinely realised why I was bothered. She has said before she thinks we are a very good billet compared to some other local families who are hosting AP friends of hers, so I did feel a bit put out she wasn't trying very hard.

I was a bit earlier when some people posted more negative comments suggesting I was exploiting her, and I am glad some other AP host families have come on to discuss this, because I was a bit upset about that. Perhaps they didn't understand how APs usually work?

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Belgianchocolates · 23/02/2009 17:14

BoffinMum. Sounds familiar. Our current ap is doing as little as possible too. However she does do a good job with the dcs and she's leaving soon as I'm going on ML this week and I can't see the point of having an ap when I can collect my own dcs from school (otherwise it costs us over £20 a week for her and my dcs bus fare) and the only bit of housework she does it their laundry and it's cheaper to just take the ironing to one of those ironing places. So we're just biding our time and leaving things be for now. But I totally understand how lots of little, seemingly meaningless things can build up to make you wish you didn't have your ap. I'm happy for you that your ap has realised where she's going wrong now though. Hopefully you'll have the help you need.

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 16:56

He was 21 and she was about 20 I think, so can't be too cross!!

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thebody · 23/02/2009 16:37

great, best of luck with everything, how old was your brother by the way? little monkey!!

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 13:25

No, I don't think she's seen the thread because she has been busy being mega helpful since her telling off!!

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MmeLindt · 23/02/2009 13:17

That is great, BM. Hope she continues to improve.

She did not have access to the computer this morning, did she? Could she have seen this thread, and seen us all spouting off about how hopeless and immature she is?

BoffinMum · 23/02/2009 13:06

I think about 50% of mine have been very good, 25% just about OK, and 25% actually really crap looking back.

The good ones have been lovely to live with and really helpful. They have still got the odd thing wrong, but frankly I expect a bit of that. However our lives were better because they were there, and they usually stay in touch and come back to visit, which is nice.

The good ones have all had f/t working mums, by the way ...

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HSMM · 23/02/2009 12:48

I had an AP once, who did nothing but moan and phone her boyfriend. I really need some help and I know there are some great APs out there, but she has put me off completely.

willowthewispa · 23/02/2009 12:31

I can't believe she just didn't show up at home when she knew DS1 was coming back!

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