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Am I obsessed by ofsted

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thebody · 19/02/2009 20:56

My dh thinks I am. I do daily diaries for all my mindees and put the little stickers by each papagraph to illustrate each area of learning, one copy for ofsted and one for the parents,
I have policies for every eventuality bar nuclear attack, and am expecting that to be the next edict.
i take more photos than a paparazzi chasing posh spice, i do fire drills with bemused 2 year olds in toe and carry out risk assessments in my own home....
I recently sent out self evaluation forms to my parents who one and all thought that was hilarious..
I earn 3 pounds an hour,wow,I have a training course booked in my precious spare time on food hygine... i am a qualified nurse and mum of 3 but still need telling how to bloody seperate cooked and unncooked meat....
my dh tells me to stuff ofsted and remember who actually pays me, he just says to aim for a satisfactory grade but I want outstanding... is it just me or are there any other cms out there who are similaly stressed.

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thebody · 22/02/2009 22:55

paperfreek, true for you, how ridiculous, my own teen pot washes at the local pub and you would think he was applying for a post in the secret service the amount of b......s he had to fill in.
oh dear, RosieGirl, are we all just sounding like our mothers,I think I actually did say the other day that policemen were looking younger, and they bloody well are!!! Get them back on the beat i say... omg, now definatly my mother, need a quick glass of cold white...and to apply my new pentapepside miracle anti wrinkle cream nite nite..

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RosieGirl · 22/02/2009 21:02

agree with all that is said especially thebody with the comment on hospitals - a friend of mine joined the police force, really wanted to make a difference, flew through all the entry stuff - but has given up due to the sheer amount of paperwork felt he could do better work elsewhere - and OFSTED really need to have more defined guidelines because the inspections vary so wildly. I remember when I was first inspected (pre-registration) and my house (a 400 year old cottage) was nearly condemed as totally unfit to have children in it- it took over £400 of work to "make it safe" - but generations have been raised here - it makes you wonder how we all grew up safe!! sounding like my mother more and more !!

popperdoodles · 22/02/2009 18:41

It's not that i dislike paper work as such. It's the fact that it is mostly done in my own time. I have 3 children under 10 years old and they need my time too. Not to mention a pressure to keep house and equipment clean and tidy. I think having standards is a good thing for sure. Shame ofsted are so inconsistent but like many things in this world the general idea is good just badly organised.

PAPERFREEK · 22/02/2009 16:49

Have you seen the b.. paperwork teenagers have to fill in to work in the local supermarket now. My 17 year old is looking for a part time job to help with paying for his driving lessons, he recently had to fill in 14 pages to apply to our local supermarket. He ended up putting loads of funny answers, needless to say he didn't get the job.

In my day you just smiled at the manager. The world has gone mad.

thebody · 22/02/2009 16:42

I agree with you, noone seems to give a clear rule on what ofsted really expect cms to be doing as regards paperwork, its totally unfair to be so arbitary imo..Children just need to be safe, healthy and happy so why make it so bloody complicated, and remember most cms would earn a lot more working for the local supermarket with a lot less hassle...

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PAPERFREEK · 22/02/2009 16:32

Ofsted don't give clear guidelines on how much paperwork they want. Every inspector seems to have a different agenda. I have two friends who are childminders who have just gone through their inspections. One does loads of observations, risk assessments etc and got good the other doesn't do as much paperwork and got outstanding. I do both paperwork and lots and lots of activities with the kids and I got outstanding so I dont know what to say really.

I like the paperwork and I understand that for me it is not difficult as I have a secretarial background and I really feel for the really outstanding childminders out there who are really good at their job but don't like the paperwork.

I've been a childminder for 18 years so I have seen a time when looking after the kids and playing was inspected and graded as good (there was no outstanding then)and I have seen the changes which mean more paperwork. I honestly don't know which I would prefer for my kids personally. I know I would prefer a childminder who concentrates on my kids first and foremost and the paperwork is done when my kids are not there, but this means childminders are working in their own time. That's how I do my paperwork. I do not have young children of my own though and I can get peace to do half an hour each evening.

thebody · 22/02/2009 16:26

I take on board all that you say, and you are right purepurple, a lot has changed in 20 years.
Hospitals are now filthy because nurses have to spend so much time filling in forms that they cant actually clean lockers and the sluice, (left nursing because of this). crying children cannot be cuddled by teachers for fear of being accused of child abuse, social workers spend more time on paperwork than actual visits etc..

Going on course and looking great on paper do not necessarily make anyone better at their job.

On the theme of EYFS and every child matters,i am just looking at a pamflet from my local authority, there is a course for enabeling children to access outdoor learning.. is that EYFS speak for going to the park... sorry but thats just funny..

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Arfa · 22/02/2009 15:43

My wife has been contacted by a student who is writing her dissertation on the falling number of CMs and would like to speak to anyone who has recently given up CMing. She may also be interested in talking to CMs who are seriously contemplating giving up.

If anyone is interested in helping her, email me at arthur dot adams53 at tiscali dot co dot uk and I will pass your email address on to her.

RosieGirl · 22/02/2009 15:20

I can see your point purepurple, but two of our local brilliant pre-schools closed down for the same reason as said by thebody. We now don't have a local village pre-school. My daughters went to one and they were just fantastic the most loving, caring, understanding ladies. Just because people look good on paper doesn't mean they are good at caring for children, this is where lots of observation would be better. Sure there is always a case for training and updating, especially for the "legal elements" but until the government put money where their mouth is and start paying teachers wages to us all - more and more will disapear. My eldest went to a childminder while I was a single mum, she still has wonderful memories of being part of their family and misses them since we moved away. She gave up childcare because she wasn't "good" with paperwork - a major loss in my book.

PAPERFREEK · 22/02/2009 11:19

I have to agree with purepurple. When I started as a childminder many years ago, all I had to do was give my details to the Council and they came and checked stairgates and fireguard. I didnt even have to do a first aid course for ages. I had 5 children to look after within weeks and had no idea what to do with them. I used to put reins on or have them in pushchairs and take them out most of the day. Another minder I knew back then had the same story - before she took up minding she had no experience of looking after other people's kids and she kept hers in a playroom all day long.

I dread to think what would have happened in those days if I had had a safeguarding issue or a bad accident with a child, I was lucky.

I do agree we usually have a natural instinct for how to care for children - but in this day and age being sued or accused by anyone for anything is a real possibility and we have to cover ourselves by having good policies and procedures and up to date knowledge through courses. If heaven forbid we had to go to court for anything we would have a good defense if all the above is in place and agreed with the parents.

With the observations and pictures issue, I do think if you keep these to a minimum, only recording the real 'wow' moments, its not too bad. I have a lot of kids (15) at the moment, but I only have to do obs on 4 of them as these are the only under 5's I have. I do find giving parents a pic and a sentence or two about what the child's learned and what I am going to do next is quicker than having to stand at the door at home time reliving the day for interested mums and dads.

The parents take this sheet home, and write their comments on it, and what they want their child to do, (their ideas are really helpful) then they give it me back next day.

As for risk assessments, they too can be done once for most outings, as the outing is the same every time (going on school pick-up etc) and for longer trips it is useful to think about what could happen beforehand to ensure your prepared. I can't see a problem there.

For risk assessment of the home, I just have a monthly tick sheet, where first thing in the morning I go round the house just checking things like there are plug covers on, there is no water lying in outdoor equipment after rainfall, etc. Takes mins to complete and has quite often thrown up something that needs attending to, like one day my older son took the fire exit key to school because he'd lost his, and he hadn't replaced it (wont do it now, it has a big laminated label on it- too big to fit in his pocket, saying fire key do not remove).

I like to think of what I do as a proper profession, and if I worked in an office etc. I would expect to go on courses and gain promotion, which is the way I look at the ofsted gradings, and the rewards are in increased income, the more professional you come over to parents, the more work you get and the more money you earn. I have never had a vacancy or had to advertise.

Parents are so much more genned up now on what to look for and where to get information, most of them have the internet and know how to access information on childminders. All my parents looked at my report.

Children should come first and foremost and the ones I look after do, the paperwork is just one way in which I demonstrate my ability to offer the best possible care.

purepurple · 22/02/2009 09:12

while I do sympathise with the ladies running the playgroup, the body, I have been there, you have to realise that a lot has changed in the last 20 years. It is important that people working with children have updated their skills and knowledge if our children are to benefit, whuch is the aim of the EYFS and Every Child Matters.

thebody · 21/02/2009 16:20

On this topic there is a lovely playgroup in our village, run by older ladies for years, my ds went at 2 and he is now 19, so you can see how experienced thay are, its affiliated to the church and the ladies running it are church goers but religion isnt pushed, just a really nice atmosphere. As a new young mum it was my lifeline and I made lots of friends and we all shared duties and jobs.

I saw the lady who runs it today and she is being forced to give up. Ofsted say they have to them to go on a eyfs course and they all feel that they are too old to take it all on board...

they get 20 pounds a day so dont do it for the money and noone else has come forward to take over.. so it will close. absolutly disgusting imo..

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Ripeberry · 20/02/2009 20:25

I'm just starting out so at my first inspection i'm not expecting more than satisfactory, but i would like to have good!
Outstanding is great but you have to stay like it forever and if you ever got downgraded you would be well and trully gutted .
As long as the children and the parents are happy and Ofsted are satisfied then i'll be happy.
Can't wait to start some of the free courses our council have sent me details about, especially the one about EYFS!

southeastastra · 20/02/2009 20:14

my boss is obsessed with ofsted, it makes me laugh.

silly organisations, like ofwat and offcom.

and they change the rules so many times. it's ridiculous.

mrspnut · 20/02/2009 20:12

When I first started using a childminder, they were checked by the under 8's office who were down the hall from my office so I knew who were the good CM's and who was to be avoided.

There were far fewer pointless pieces of paperwork and more time for having fun. If I wanted my child to be assessed every day then I would have sent them to a nursery.

thebody · 20/02/2009 19:54

Its pretty much as I thought, what a crock.. Shoshe so funny... I like the MOT idea, thats really makes sense.

I havnt asked parents to sigh the attendance register for last week..OH NO!!!!! its all b......s really anyway. As others have said, if mindees and parents are happy then job done. I am going to tell the inspector my views though, its all much to much, and we are loosing some really great cms because of it. I had a call from my authority today to tell me that if I booked on yet another course i would get a reward of 50 quid.wop de f....n do!!!!

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nomoreamover · 20/02/2009 18:46

nannynick - excellent idea!! Like the open university too

nannynick · 20/02/2009 18:43

Why can't Ofsted just do PASS or FAIL - bit like the MOT test.

underpaidandoverworked · 20/02/2009 17:19

My DH is going to have a big bonfire in the garden when I stop being CM - he reckons with all the crap paperwork I have now in the community centre house, it'll burn like the olympic torch!!! My parents just sign what I give them now, without reading it- they don't understand the need for all the policies/procedures, files for this that and the other (even the teachers and lecturers!).

I know my inspection will be end of March - couldn't be earlier as I have to have an operation next week - and keep waking up in the middle of the night thinking of something else todo!!! Estate agency was never this stressful and I didn't have to do anywhere near the training I do now - all unpaid of course because I love my job soooo much

SillyMillysMummy · 20/02/2009 15:42

popperdoodles, i think its easy to say if you are already full, I dont think my parents are bothered either, but its the initial gettng the parents to you

popperdoodles · 20/02/2009 13:54

I have only been minding since summer 08 and my dh already wants me to give up. He thinks it is just not worth all the hassle, he hates how it has taken over our house.

popperdoodles · 20/02/2009 13:45

I refuse to let cm take over my life. The parents are happy, kids are happy and thriving and that is all that matters in my book. Had my ofsted last month and got "good" and was really chuffed. I keep everything simple. I do have a written risk assessment of my home and regular places I go/activities etc. I have a folder for each child with observations and photos in but it is just a few notes on what they ahve done not pages of writing. I do a weekly plan but it's just a rough guide of what things we might do on each day, what toys/activities I will get out.I do not document every single little thing we do. I always forget to take the camera out with me. I do daily dairies but only write in there what I think the parents would be interested to/want to hear. Where we have been and what we did in brief. Whether they ate well and how long they slept. Any funny things they said and any "wow" moments.
My house is not plastered in posters, I will not tolerate that. I have one wall in the kitchen which is covered in teh kids pictures and a few posters etc but that is it.

I am doing NVQ 3 at the moment too so got that to try and fit in aswell.

nomoreamover · 20/02/2009 11:50

See when I used childminders for DS1 I was obssessed with what ofsted said about them .....so i guess I am assumign others will be the same - nice to hear that alot of parents aren't!

Shoshe - I laughed out loud at that one!!! Oh how funny!

My mum called in the other night when I had just said goodbye to charges - she said "god do you mind your house looking like a nursery"?.........

Now she mentions it......

SillyMillysMummy · 20/02/2009 09:50

count me in there, dh told me that the minute we dont need the extra money he will force me to stop. My own dd is suffering because of all the extra work I need to do, I am newly registered so dont as yet have an ofsted grading BUT if I was lookng for a cm I would be more tempted to visit an oustanding one than any other (just like the school that i chose for dd) however my current parents didnt ask about and am sre dont care about what fsted say. As long as their kids are healthy and happy they really dont mind

HSMM · 20/02/2009 08:02

My DH gets even more frustrated than I do about the amount of our house which is dedicated to paperwork and about how much printer ink I use for children's photos (hardly ever our own DD). New parents sometimes glance at my Ofsted report, but most of my work comes via word of mouth, or people I've met at toddlers, so they wouldn't care what my Ofsted report said. I did have to do a self assessment thing with the parents for a college course. The feedback was vague and that they were happy and didn't want me to do anything else. One parent asked to see draft copies of changed policies (!), but that was it. (That parent is on the committee at a pre school, so .....). I told my DH that the only incentive to get a good grade from Ofsted is that it might keep them away for longer