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AP taking liberties or not??

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NewTeacher · 15/12/2008 12:31

Hi All

I have a lovely AP who is great with my DC's and always goes that extra mile with them.

I think that is the reason when she does things that I think ar wrong or irritating I let it go as her childcare and cleaning is spot on.

However, she has use of the car to tak my DS to and from school and that is it I have made this clear from day 1. She managed to get a parking ticket in her first week as she had used the car to get to college and it had been in the car park for over 3 hours (limit is 3 hrs). I didnt shout and she paid for the ticket in instalments BUT (there is always a but!)this meant that she had ignored my request of only using the car for school runs.

The college is about a 10 nminute walk from our house as is the local High St and rail station. Bus stops for other places are 5 mins away hence I do not feel she needs to use the car. Our last AP walked everywhere as she didnt have to do the school run. We even bought a bike for this one but its too frosty to use at the moment she says.

Now tot he main issues...

Well I asked her to take DS to a party today and to use the car after which she is supposed to go home. I've rung her to find out she is in Tesco's!! So I'm a bit miffed to say the least as she has taken the car.

I have also said she can use the phone to call her parents but should do it when I am home (it is free to call her home country its just that I need to check she isnt on it longer than an hour) BUT everyday when I get home she has called home and this is usually in the time she is supposed to be doing her household chores.

The other thing is she doesnt seem to understand that in the evenings she should let me and DH have some couple time. In the beginning she used to sit between us on the sofa! DH had to tell her to move in the end. He works away alot so when he is back I wwould like to have alone time just chilling in front of the tv but she is always there. She has a tv in her room and there is one in the DC's playroom which has all the sky channels but she sits with us.

I have also said that at weekends she needs to fend for herself, food is in the kitchen so she can help herself. I have found when we have guests she comes along and helps herself to food (as in dinner party stuff)and even sits in the room and I dont have it in me to say we are entertaining....

I just dont expect her to be with us 24/7 and I know you wil say she is part of the family but when I was in my late teens and living at home I was expected to leave my parents and their guests to it...TBH I dont want someone in my face all the time, there is plenty for her to do and places to go and local friends she just prefers to sit with us!!!

HELP me please....

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NewTeacher · 15/12/2008 19:47

She has the internet and skype and sky and a mobile and membership at the gym....

She has been with us 3 months now. I think the because our last AP just left us to it and did her own thing (we had a great relationship with her!) I kinda expected the same thing.

As for the car I dont feel its being strict. Theres the issue of parking tickets and other people denting the car not her having an accident in it. If I thought she wasnt a safe driver I wouldnt let her drive my kids would I.

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Millarkie · 15/12/2008 19:33

I do have an AP, and to be honest I think you are being very strict.
My AP has no need of a car for our 'job' (kids get picked up at our door by a school bus) and there are buses/trains close to our house, but we have paid for her to be insured on the car particularly to give her a sense of freedom to pop to the shops etc during the day (our AP loves to browse the dvds in tesco and buys all sorts of biscuits/choc that she fancies eating in her room (so she has never eaten my last chocolate - a big fear of mine )
We set up skype on her computer - so she has access to very cheap calls home whenever she wants to ring (as long as she is not looking after the children) which she pays for (but they cost pennies), she also has instant messenger, and email, and since she prefers to watch dvds or surf the internet she is in her room a lot of the time in the evening.
When we have friends over I have asked her if she wants to be included or not - sometimes she does, sometimes not, but I don't feel I have to entertain her - and my friends are happy to talk to her.

How long has she been staying with you? Our AP was slightly clingier for the first week or so, but has got more and more independent as time went on.

NewTeacher · 15/12/2008 19:33

LOL! Lots of interesting views...

My AP is german so would speak in German to her family she could say all she likes about me and the family and I wouldnt know!!! And anyway when she does call her family she does so from her room and I do not sit outside listening in! Honestly do you really think she has to have her phone conversations whilst she's sat in front of me use your common sense please...

As for the car it was clearly stated before she started that it was for school runs only!!!! So YES I do have a problem with her taking it to tesco or anywhere else because I have explicitly said she shouldnt. I dont mind paying the excess when its on the school run as its the time I've asked her to drive. We dont live in a remote village so she can get wherever she needs to go by walk, bus or train. The car was never a perk of the job I'm afraid.

HTS you so get where I am coming from...

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thenewme · 15/12/2008 17:55

I used to be an au pair and it really is common sense to leave the couple alone.

phraedd · 15/12/2008 17:52

maybe if you don't want her to eat with you, she could eat with the children earlier on in the evening?

HarrietTheSpy · 15/12/2008 17:41

Given what you describe of your location, I think it's okay personally to limit car usage to stuff which is really not walkable and/or related to DCs. The excess wouldn't have occurred to me - as another poster puts it, she is either safe or she isn't- but the petrol cost would frankly. Sorry, call me a cheapskate.

TheProvincialLady · 15/12/2008 17:31

You do sound controlling I'm afraid. You should make up your mind whether or not you want her to have access to a car, and stick to that rather than fussing over whether she pops into Tescos or not. You are risking the £400 when she takes your son to the party, so why not when she is in Tesco?

Re the dinner parties - I would say to her "You need to make yourself scare for the evening because we are entertaining. What are your plans for dinner because there won't be any spare food from our meal."

Rookietherednosedreindeer · 15/12/2008 17:30

I don't have an au pair so feel free to ignore my input if you wish.

However the first thing that you state is that your ap is excellent at caring for your children and good at cleaning.

I can understand your point about the excess, but tbh it does seem really minor. If you are happy enough for her to drive your children to school, and you are not using the car it seems a tad churlish to insist that she walks everywhere. Perhaps she is not one of lifes walkers or cyclists, and if driving to Tescos gives her pleasure then is it such a major issue ?

Ditto calling parents. You want to be there to monitor length of calls. She wants you not to be there so she can speak to them privately, perhaps to moan about you and your DCs, in the way I'm sure that all Aps/Nannies/CMs and nursery staff need to do from time to time.

About the weekend dining, yes you do need to speak to her about that.

CatMandu · 15/12/2008 17:26

I've had au pairs in the past and have to say that you do sound controlling. Popping to Tesco's on the way back from the party isn't a big crime imho, neither is calling her Mum without telling you. You've said yourself that her childcare and cleaning are great, so the phone call isn't effecting her work.

I do agree however about the evening situation and have to say that I was advised by friends to make it clear before you offer the role that you want evenings alone. It's a lot harder to explain this now and really you should have told her earlier so that she could decide if she'd be happy on her own at night.

HarrietTheSpy · 15/12/2008 17:25

NT
I can understand how the selective listening would niggle as well. This comes with the caveat that i can be easily irritated but if she didn't bother with the small stuff (it's so easy just to do as you ask, it's not her house, car etc after all) i would start to wonder whether she would do her own thing on the bigger issues.

NewTeacher · 15/12/2008 17:19

Thankyou HTS I didnt think I was asking too much. I'm guessing I will have to speak to her but its so hard when she is so good in other ways!!! Oh that easy medium is so hard to find!!!

To the OP I'm not being controlling at all I just find it funny how she, the AP never mentions that she has called her family. I feel that she is taking liberties because if you have nothing to hide you would mention it and say 'I called my mum today'.

As for the car why should I pay the £400 excess if someone dents the car in the tesco car park when she should have walked there? She was asked to take DS to a party and come home so no need to go shopping.

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HarrietTheSpy · 15/12/2008 17:11

NewTeacher
I so sympathise with the evening related and dinner party issues. What you describe is just the scenario I couldn't face. Dinners with friends are the main way we relax and it would have driven me nuts to be constantly on duty entertaining an au pair. I think you are just going to have to say it and also help her find some local activities to go along to.

navyeyelasH · 15/12/2008 13:15

I think part of it is that you need to "let go" IYSWIM?

I guess you don't want her using the car incase she has an accident? The car is insured right so don't worry about it, if she is confident then leave it at that. How absurd would it be to be out in the car, go home then get a bus to Tesco. If you were the AP would you think your host was mental asking you to do that?

I understand that they are your rules etc but maybe she does not want to tell you that she thinks you ABU, maybe this is her way of getting you to rethink things. I do not agree with it personally as if I had a problem I would try and resolve it through talking with you.

Also with the phone, can't you just trust her that she has to end it before an hour? If you can trust her with your DC you should be able to trust her with that surely? YOu say she calls when she is supposed to be claning, but you also said that her cleaning is great so as long as she is doing her job and the children are happy does it really matter.

With the whole her hanging around in the evening, can you sort out her meeting up with other APs? Have you explained explicitly that she is free to do what she wants on weekends? She may be worried that you will br cross if she does her own thing, esp as you seem to be "controlling" in other ways? I cna imagine her saying to friends "she doesn't like me using the car can you imagine what would happen if I came home as 1am drunk!" etc.

I think she sounds ok from your post, but if you aren't happy then my opinion doesn't mean anything at all. Plus I have never had an AP or been an AP!

pinkdelight · 15/12/2008 12:51

I don't have an AP and tbh the stories on here have pretty much put me off for life! But compared to most of those posts, I have to say your experience doesn't sound at all bad. I'm not sure why you have this rigid rule about not using the car for anything except the school run - assuming you don't need it yourself - but even when she has broken the rule, it's not like she's been partying with it. She's just driven to college and called into tesco. Is that really so bad? I also don't understand why she can't use the phone when you're not around if it doesn't cost you anything. I understand it's your house your rules, but you do seem to want a lot of control. And the issue about her spending evenings with you is the opposite of what a lot of people struggle with - most are worried that their AP is standoffish/hides in their room. Obviously a middle ground is best and of course you want to sit with your DH, but why not go cuddle up in bed and watch telly? You know that APs are meant to be part of the family and that's just how she's behaving. Part of the motivation for her is to share in your life, dinner parties and all, unless she's really not welcome in which case I guess you have to explain it v sensitively or send her out for a nice treat maybe.

Reading back over your post, there's a funny contradiction in that you don't want her in your face but you also want a lot of control i.e. to be in her face in way. Not criticising because it's clearly a v tricky balance and I don't know how anyone gets it right, but honestly, she sounds pretty good to me. Does anyone else agree?

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