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Should she stay or should she go? Mumsnet Jury please help me decide....

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squiffy · 28/10/2008 09:38

OK, I need some opinions on this one. Long long long one I'm afraid...

Our AP has been with us now for 10 weeks and is due to stay until the end of January. BUT BUT BUT I am tempted to let her go early. My DH though says I would be mad to do so.

She is 19, Finnish, clean and tidyish. She drives brilliantly (very important down here in the sticks) and she always gets DS to school on time. She is quiet, always available to babysit even at short notice and is disciplined with the kids. And her English is fluent and she has previous experience so can get to grips with most things I expect of her.

So.. whassup? Well, I simply cannot bear the sight of her. She is morose, dull as dishwater, stares aghast at me if I do anything that she thinks isn't "right" (eg letting my children run down the hallway to meet me - running indoors is a big no-no that she tried to ban the kids from doing until I stopped her), she gets the hump if I ask her to do anything that isn't scheduled (even though we have over 5 hours a week set aside to "help round doing odd things, if she is around" - something she agreed to), and she whinges about the house being too cold (it should be 26 degrees, according to her), and about having to get up early in the morning (6am, usually once, occasionally twice a week, otherwise whenever she wants). She refuses to leave the house for anything despite having a car (not to mention 200 acres of orchards on the doorstep at her disposal. Beaches are too "boring", town centres are too "busy" London is too "scary", buses are too "difficult" car parks are too "confusing". She cannot bear the thought of going to the gym by herself (after I have taken her round to show her everything), nor can she see the point of walking in the orchards around our house "without a dog". She was doing horseriding lessons but that stopped because she would only commit to going every other week and they insisted she sign up for every week (I had already found her extra money from dog-walking in the village if she wanted it, so that she didn?t have to dip into her weekly pocket money). She goes to English class once a week (not that she really needs to but I insisted because she was not doing anything) but doesn't 'see the point' of making friends with any of the other AP's in her class, because she already has 3 friends from home that she skypes and MSNs with every day. So she is indoors all the time, curled up in sofa hugging her jumper, watching Friends (which she tapes 4 times a day so that she doesn't miss any episodes). She slouches off if I ever dare to ask to turn the TV over in the evening (she does have sky in her room , and she could of course watch TV all day long). If I ask her how she is she will look at me as if I am mad and say "Exhausted of course. I got up at 6 yesterday and am still tired" And then she makes this huge song and dance about going to bed at 7pm the night before her early shift, as if I am in some way cruelly torturing her (and, yes, I DID agree the hours with her before she came...)

Beyond all of this though, she loathes my almost 5YO DS and he, in turn, loathes her. She is completely unable to relate to him (eg I made her sit down and play 'frustration' with him. All I could hear from her was "No, it's not your turn", "No, you can't do that", "NO! DS, NO! that's not how you play" and "You're cheating!", until DS gave up and wandered off?.). Fortunately he doesn't have to spend much time with her - one morning getting ready for school, and a couple of bath/bed routines each week (I had planned much much more, but BOTH of them refuse)

I have sat down with her 3 times and had 'those' chats with her, but I get the impression that (a) she just won't ever 'get' 5 YO boys, no matter how much she tries (which isn't much, by the way), and (b) she actually quite likes letting life drift by and feeling sorry for herself, as is much easier than getting off her butt and living her life. It definately isn't that she is too shy, she is bold as brass, she just has no interest whatsoever in anything.

My DH reckons we should just put up with her because she IS always there and so she CAN always cover if we get stuck at work (although she does of course get the hump at being asked - even though I am scrupulous at making sure she doesn't go over her set number of hours a week), and we are both working our socks off at the moment so that is useful. And we do have a babysitter available for Fridays, Saturdays and so on. And we do need extra help in the holidays. But I am at screaming point and ready to get rid, and my nanny also finds her fairly difficult (I had hoped that au pair would take DS off swimming and stuff, so that nanny could give DD (2) some one-on-one but it just doesn't happen because AP refuses to take him).

I have had AP's before and am not a complete newbie, and I have asked her if she is unhappy and wants to move to another family and she is genuinely shocked that I could think this - says she is happy with role and workload and salary etc etc, and then the next day I get all the black looks and so on...I know in my heart she is just being a moody teenager, but it is like having your very own 'Dementer' drifting round the house.

Jury, please vote. Do I put up with the convenience of having all the flexibility and responsibility I could ever need, or do I get rid and replace her with someone more fun and cheerful, but inevitably more haphazard and less 'available'?

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Bink · 28/10/2008 14:01

Oh, I too missed that you had a nanny as well. I was thinking your whole childcare set-up was AP-based, so dismissing her => that awful facing the abyss childcare meltdown thing.

If, in fact, what she is is a [theoretical, hmm] 'nice-to-have' rather than 'life-depends-on' then your gloom/benefit analysis is a different one.

Kewcumber · 28/10/2008 13:28

tmmj - no but she wants one.

I don't need a TV or a microwave or a dishwasher but I like them they make my life easier and I'm luck y that I can afford one. I don;t need an AP as well as having a childminder but if I could afford one I would - life would be much easier.

themildmanneredaxemurderer · 28/10/2008 13:24

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spicemonster · 28/10/2008 13:20

Ugh. I would have to have someone in the house who was a vortex of negativity. And if they didn't like my DS? Total dealbreaker. i don't even have friends over unless they think he's utterly adorable

I think the cons outweigh the pros. Why don't you do a list with your DH and see where it gets you?

squiffy · 28/10/2008 13:20

We can sort-of cope without an AP - I only got her really so that my current nanny wouldn't feel too stressed out during the holidays, but TBH I think my nanny will agree with me. Actually scrap that. I know the nanny will agree with me, and will also step in to help if necc. So, decision made. I will double-check with nanny and take it from there.

DH I can deal with by just telling him if he wants to keep her, then he is in charge of hours, salary, chores, babysitting rota etc etc etc.

Am sure he will see it my way

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stealthsquiggle · 28/10/2008 13:10

Squiffy what does your Nanny say - would she rather cope alone than with AP? If so, how much harder would getting rid of her make your collective lives?

MarmadukeScarletbloodstains · 28/10/2008 13:02

No problem, me also tbh as have been iiiiill! So makes a change to be more alert than someone!

Lynchian · 28/10/2008 12:59

Oh, sorry, read wrong - didn't get the need for the au pair if there was already a nanny AND a babysitter.

Not the sharpest tool in the box today.

MarmadukeScarletbloodstains · 28/10/2008 12:55

Lynchian, I believe Squiffy mean the AP was available for babysittting 2 nights per week - that is standard AP terms.

Lynchian · 28/10/2008 12:48

Why don't you just get rid of the au pair altogether if you already have a nanny AND someone to babysit on Fridays and Saturdays?

whooosh · 28/10/2008 12:48

Oh you poor thing.
The convenience of having someone there is fantastic,sepecially when you are incredible busy.
BUT you will be amazed how much easier it is not to have a someone around when they are so gloomy.
After my record-breaking Au Pair employment last week DP and I are so relieved she isn't here.There were some major issues but the thing that bothered me most was the depressive/miserable face and behaviour.Life is tough enough without having someone else imposing their misery on you.

Get rid and if some stuff doesn't get done then so be it-everyone (especially DS) will be happier.
Could the nanny babysit?

squiffy · 28/10/2008 12:47

Oh OK. I thought I'd get a few more views like Bink's (which incidentally is exactly the way DH sees it - we got her to make our lives easier and that is what she does...I guess). It is a very valid point but I am with the rest of you, and even though DS has almost no significant contact with her now (She is fine with DD, lots of experience there), it just makes me feel so awful. DS is a lovely boy (thank you, ladies, BTW) and all our AP's have fallen for him big time and I hate that this one just doesn't get him.

It is difficult though to recruit in the sticks so I will keep my counsel for a while and see if I can find a replacement. One of my old AP's from Sweden is flying over to visit us soon so I will get her to ask around her friends. And back to AP-world I guess.

Thanks all, you have made me feel much better in knowing this is best thing to do

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themoon666 · 28/10/2008 12:46

PMSL at Finnish person thinking 'it's too cold'

MarmadukeScarletbloodstains · 28/10/2008 12:37

My Finn AP was quite reserved, so when I started reading I thought it might be the lack of sunshine affecting 19yr old Finns!

BUT then I read on...I would say you know what to do. Hard when DH is not in agreement.

Our French AP was sullen, despite claiming to be happy. She said that not everyone smiles. We went from a house full of happy loons who sing all day Von Trap style to being withdrawn ourselves so as to not rub her nose in our happiness.

As someone who also lives in the wilds of Kent (luckily within v short distance of W'rose) I know it is tough to get decent APs due to location.

Good luck.

Bink · 28/10/2008 12:30

Gosh, squiffy. For you (super-clear-thinker) to be so turmoiled things must be awful.

However - I think your criteria here need to be frying pan and fire related. How difficult was it to find her? How easy could it be to replace her? Obviously she's a big old dreary gloom-cloud in your house, but is she actually putting anyone at risk/making your load heavier? (I think, from reading, the answer to that last one is "no" - though naturally the ideal of APs would be to make your load tangibly lighter.) January is really not very far away at all.

jackofall · 28/10/2008 12:25

i too have some "issues" with my ap - she's my second ap but my 5th of that type (nannies etc prior).. but despite the fact she's a bit odd and sullen the kids do like her and i think she them.
this is not the case for you - get rid of her, they are easy to replace and like you it's stressful finding a new one and having one that can drive etc.
BUT NOTHING is worth you putting up with her not liking your son. this is a two way street - she is here to improve her english or whatever and you need flexible, friendly help, who enjoys being with kids - if that is not the case then give her a swift kick out the door now and get someone else..
stich in time and all that....

castlesintheair · 28/10/2008 12:25

I'd definitely get rid of her immediately. I'm sure you can find someone flexible, responsible and cheerful and who most importantly likes your DCs. Most of the APs I know of fit this criteria. Can you manage with just your nanny until you find a replacement?

BradfordMum · 28/10/2008 12:22

If she loathes your son, then she doesn'y have his best interests at heart and she's be out of the door so fast.
Don't you think that your son deserves better, if nothing else?

jura · 28/10/2008 12:16

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Kewcumber · 28/10/2008 11:53

yup - loathes my 5 yr old was enough for me too...

Until January is a LOOOONG time to share your house with someone who doesn't like you if you are 5.

Find someone else immediately, running to meet mummy when she comes home is an important developmental process and must not be thwarted in any way.

Page62 · 28/10/2008 10:50

Hi Squiffy

I have met your 5 yr DS who has given my DD lots of belly laughs for a whole morning to the point that she threw up in another Mnetter's car on the way home . Loathing him is inconceivable. Get rid.
You will find someone reliable without putting a grey cloud in your household.

babbi · 28/10/2008 10:46

Your post was long and IMVHO unnecessarily so. Cut to the chase - you say that she loathes your son - why on earth are you even leaving your child in the care of someone who loathes him ?? That is the most salient point in all of this . Get rid of her - your child deserves someone who at least likes him.

Greatfun · 28/10/2008 10:46

"Beyond all of this though, she loathes my almost 5YO DS and he, in turn, loathes her."

I stopped at this point. She needs to go. Sounds a right pain.

Issy · 28/10/2008 10:41

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bmz · 28/10/2008 10:21

do the good things out way the bad things with her. The end of January can seem a long way away when things aren't happy ... especially the children. If it was me I would look for someone else.

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