Do I have to still pay when childminder takes a holiday?

If it isnt in the contract then you shouldnt be paying for her holidays.
How many weeks off a year does she think she in entitled to?

many people have said IF its in the contract she SHOULD pay, but we can all see now it was NOT in contract..so obv she shouldnt pay!??????

but from what colacubes says its NOT in the contract that she should pay holiday pay - but seems to be common practice?

Don't any of you see the contradiction being pointed out?

whether a cm does or doesnt charge for hols, it IS important what it states in contract, obv CC's cm didnt put it in, HER mistake, so she shouldnt charge..BUT CC should have questioned it from the start.

Cm's are always going to get slated over this ONE issue, maybe we should all just put our hourly fee up to compensate then..any other SE person charges what they like and mostly a lot more!, tradesmen charge stupid amounts to cover such things as they dont have a client all year/longer sometimes, they go from job to job, we look after someones most precious child all year and pathetic hourly fees and when we have to mention holiday's and fees we get slated!..really really sad, but it will NEVER change..said my piece, going over and over old ground and getting off subject.

no she shouldnt charge as it didnt say so, so CC should now go and speak to her and ask WHY she is charging if it wasnt agreed?

but if something is in a contract and one doesnt think it is reasonable, one shouldnt sign it!! ( i am aware op didnt have this in her contract) or, even try and negotiate with the cm.

I don't have a cm and have never been a cm, but I agree with colacubes that it seems really strange that some cms view themselves as self emplyed - yet still expect to be paid for their holidays. The issue isn't about what was or wasnt in the contract - just because something is in a contract doesn't mean its reasonable. The issue also has nothing to do with respect for cms - colacubes is just pointing out an anomaly and asking for people's opinion.

you dont seem happy with the care this cm is giving you, i suggest the only way you will be happy with any care is to actually provide it yourself, thus NOT paying someone else to do the job.

i HAVE read the whole thread, it reads very much the same as many others and many more will follow, everyones happy and doesnt 'bother' to question anything, puts it to the back of their mind, but when a situation like this arrises then blows up before actually speaking to the person concerned..if your cm IS reading this, im sure she would be able to work out who you are due to your posts and info about hols, pay, dates etc.

just because she looks after 4 children does not mean she would be earning the same amount for each child. you need to take this whole thing up with her and then perhaps start looking for alternative care.

why dont you just take your child out of the childminders and stay at home with her/him?, you obviously have no respect for her or any other childminder for that matter which is the sole reason our job is so hard, trying to gain respect for a bloody hard job, i hope your cm is reading this and gives YOU notice

"As for cms, I think you seem to have enough upside down clauses in place to save your asses when it comes to your claim, that poor us dont get paid enough, we cant afford to cover our selves on our own leave we need other peoples cash to pay for our holidays. please tell me if you do a job that you feel does not cover your out goings or the extras you feel are needed in your life, why dont you do another job!!!!! "

wow, regarless of the discrepancies in your cm's policies, im so glad I am not your child minder, what a horrible, accusing and snide person you sound, i dont agree she sould charge if not stated, nor should she want it in advance,i would, if i knew her, suggest she does get her t&c in order if only to prevent people like you from coming on a mums forum, badmouthing her BEFORE you've even had the adult ability to go and speak to her!

I dont have clauses, i have policies to prevent people from trying to take advantage

parents, you seem to be missing the point here. NCMA (NATIONAL CHILDMINDING ASSOCIATION) actively encourage Childminders to charge for 4 weeks of their holidays. It is in black ink on the back of the contracts that we purchase from them to give to parents.

the op should not pay her cm anything for holidays as she has not signed a contracts that says she should.

temps now get holiday pay and sick pay by the way!

I agree that expecting being paid 2 weeks in advance for holidays is quite ridiculous. I can't imagine any job where that happens on a regular and assumed basis.

But much as I sympathise with you colacubes, your comments should be directed at the particular CM in question, and not to all CMs indiscriminately.

Fundamentally you don't seem to have a good relationship with this CM. Hope you're looking elsewhere.

My CM is a bit upset because she's just managed to take her kids away for two weeks abroad for the first time, she'll be back for two weeks then she has jury duty which she can't charge us for and they're offering her £30 a day compensation! Her husband works for her but isn't a full CM so he doesn't work if she doesn't. I do actually feel for her on that one.

I agree with you cola, TBD gets less than that a fortnight. My ex was self employed and we took a certain amount out of each pay to cover sick and holiday pay.

Colacubes, did you ever find out what it dd actually say in your contract?

I have a prob at minute with notice for leaving, one parent told me last night he would have to give x weeks notice...when in actual fact our contract clearly states y weeks(longer), they are also clever, proffesional individuals,..sometimes i wonder?, i have ahd probs time and time again over parents expecting to do something totally opposite of contract, demeaning to cm's tbh...oh and I HEART SofiaAmes ..so nice to have someone stick up for cm's

My CM charges for two of her four weeks holiday but not for the odd day off - she has had two odd days booked, and has two weeks hols soon. I was quite happy to pay her for all the hols, vbut apparently this is the first year that she has charged for some hols.

I had this discussion with my Mum who felt |I should not be paying her if she is not providing the service - she could not get her head round the fact that if you dont pay her for hols then she would be charging a higher daily rate - which amounts to the same thing really!

I use childcare vouchers, so whether I pay her £100 that week or £50 that week, it doesnt matter as both DH and I have £200 out of our wages taken to the voucher companies.

I think Cm seem to want it every which way.

They say they work for themselves, therfore they set the terms, but then they want holiday pay.

To the OP, I actually think 6 weeks notice that you will need alternatice childcare isn't long.

I don't pay my childminder, it's a scheme from Sure Start, but they don't pay her for her holidays or sickness, she only gets paid if it is my holiday or sickness.

I agree with you, if they're self employed then they get paid for the work they do. I might have to think about becoming a childminder when I'm in a better place if they're getting employee benefits!

Jilly, yes you are right, the courses I do now have loads of CMs like that, whether mums or not. I was responding to those that are teachers prior to doing childminding. The courses childminders have open to them are excellent