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nanny wages cash in hand

131 replies

janett · 06/07/2008 01:32

why oh why do some employers feel the need to offer x amount pay and then when it comes to signing contracts they want to pay at least a 1/3 cash in hand? dont they realise nannys might one day want a mortgage ect..

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nannynick · 23/07/2008 20:43

Def not normal nanny behaviour in my view. Today I did have an expensive day - £12.50, which was train tickets (steam railway) plus two ice-cream's. Some days, I can spend £2, sometimes nothing at all.

School Holiday periods are more expensive than term-time, but it does not mean that you can't limit the expenditure by setting a weekly budget. Then the children (and nanny) can decide to blow the budget on one outing, or make it last by doing lower cost things for the entire week.

imananny · 23/07/2008 20:43

bot normal, yes i have gone shopping with my kids, but not sales and not when off school

you gave her a budget, fair enough cinema and car park costs, therefore you take drinks/snacks from home rather than spend £!%

make it clear next time,if she goes over budget, she pays

bet she would stop then

£30 a week is plenty

mummypoppins · 23/07/2008 20:34

Yes i have. £30 a week. Today she went to the cinema and spent £37. !

15 on entrance. 15 on snacks ( 5.58 on pick and mix ! ) and 6.20 to park the car. Then after the cinema she dragged my children round the summer sales and bought a load of clothes for herself!!!

Should I be cross ? Is this normal nanny behaviour ?

imananny · 23/07/2008 19:29

said it before mummyp , but your nanny/hk REALLY takes the piss!!

it is her JOB to empty DW, tidy up etc,esp as your children are at school all day

Im still happy to come and drink pimms in your pool, if i am ever in your area but wouldnt leave my job and my lovely bosses and work for you,as lovely as you sound,my bossea are FAB - though the pool does tempt me - had one in last job and miss it

why do you keep her on and have you given her a budget for this summer hols for trips etc?

said it before but will shout it

BORROWING without asking is stealing

missiesparkles · 23/07/2008 19:12

wow - she really is getting a dammed good deal!!

mummypoppins · 23/07/2008 18:40

Rural midlands.

missiesparkles · 23/07/2008 16:01

And she complains??
What a cheek! Whereabouts are you based? I'm in S.E London but I'm not sure what the going live in sep.flat rates are here?
I have to say, you sound like a generous employer, I don't know why she takes the pi$$!
As tempting as your offer is, I really like my family. I really hope you find someone more appreciative as I think she doesn't get how good she's got it.
Shame on her!
To think my OH thinks I'm well jammy that I get £225pw after tax with no rent or bills - imagine £70 extra!

45nanny · 23/07/2008 15:59

Mummypoppins can i come work for you please, you nanny has such a easy life.
I have to say though , taking money for what every reason , is stealing. A sackable offence, i cant believe you still employe her.
If she tells you about that sort of thing ,what does she not tell you about.how can you trust her.

AtheneNoctua · 23/07/2008 15:49

You do realise that sepparate flat is a taxable benefit, so add a few more sheckles there.

mummypoppins · 23/07/2008 14:37

no missie sparkles..........car all the time ( 4 year old scenic )for both work and personal, £295 net a week, sep flat and free broadband, use of an outdoor heated pool and both mine are at school ful time and sometimes till 5pm and she knocks off at 7 ! And she charges £10 an hour for babysitting!

Its the life of riley. Harder during the hols of course as she works 8 to 7 but they are 7 and 9 years old and are on the whole well behaved.

Can you relocate to me ??!!

mummypoppins · 23/07/2008 14:30

I know. Its terrible isnt it. Yet she thinks its perfectly ok. She was back to work on Monday and and if it was a genuine emergency then she would and should have replaced it even before we got back home and we would have been none the wiser.

The fact of the matter is she is so wasteful with money she has run out and its the end of the month. She is using us a cash flow.

her room is stacked high with magazines ( she admits to buying evry one each month ) books cd's dvds and clothes. She will think nothing of spending £100 on a pair of shoes regularly.

I do almost feel i should be taking her to one side and knocking some financial sense into her as out in the real world she would sink into bankruptcy very quickly.

Anyway. She wont do it again because the kids pocket money is hidden and next time we go on hols I shall not leave any money and we need anything for the house then she can buy it and claim it back form us.

Its very sad.

missiesparkles · 23/07/2008 14:25

mummypoppins - I am appalled at your nanny/housekeepers attitude, as, correct me if I'm wrong I am in the same sort of setup - sep flat, work car (when I can drive lol) 8am-7.30pm, £250 gross a week?
I have 1 child who goes to nursery 3x a week+I do all the HK, I cook all of her meals, dealt with potty training etc. And I think I have it pretty good actually!
I have 8 years of experience+I'm currently working towards an NVQ3 in Child Care.
From some of these posts, I'm a bargin lolol!

imananny · 23/07/2008 13:52

borrowing without asking is stealing!!!!

mummypoppins · 23/07/2008 13:15

when is it and where ?

AtheneNoctua · 23/07/2008 12:49

Hey, are you comming to the Christmas meet-up? (where I can knock some sense into you)

mummypoppins · 23/07/2008 12:46

i know i know i know..........hangs her head in pathetic mummy weak willed shame.....

Just cant face the upheaval of getting rid. We discovered last night however that we think she is fiddling her diesel expenses. Will be another few weeks before we know for sure but if so DH has said he will tackle her and she will pay it back.

Just cannot trust her with money. If it is left in the kitty or in the children's pocket money purses it gets ' borrowed ' for one spurios reason ar another. She is useless at budgeting.

Actually was saying to DH this am whilst she might thik she is going back to Australia for a month next summer we doubt it will come off as she is permanently broke and will struggle it appears to save the money for the flight!

Very sad situation to be in aged 39....no house no car no bloke no kids and no money.the rest of us have houses cars blokes kids nannies and NO MONEY!

AtheneNoctua · 23/07/2008 12:38

Good grief, woman, does she still work for you?

mummypoppins · 23/07/2008 11:06

it was me me..........my nanny regularly leaves me notes about us treating her like a house maid because we expect her to do the dishwasher in the morning when she is employed as a nanny/ housekeeper. My children are both at school full time. OUTRAGEOUS really if you think about it. I cant understand how she has stuck our job for so long.........

I should look for a much cheaper option next time. Not an au pair as I can't hack it but maybe an ex au pair with 2 years exp who will live in for about £200 a week net plus a car . I still pay a cleaner another £100 a week on top. To me £866 a month after all your bills have been paid is a bloody good load of disposable income for rural life.

Hands up those of us that have that sort of money to waste each month.........

AtheneNoctua · 23/07/2008 08:13

The only other nanny/parent forum I can think of is nannyjob.co.uk. Is that the one you are thinking of?

There is a fair amount of tslk on this thread about the upper band of nanny salaries and how there will always be wealthy people who can afford them. While I do agree that there is a band of wealthy people who are not likely to be affected by the credit crunch (because their wealth is not dependant on their current salary/income), I think we will see a shift to the less qualified and not quite so well paid nannies. Say, for example, someone who has been an au pair for a year, and worked in a nursery for 9 months, and is 19 or 20 and prepared to work for less than £300-£400 net per week. I expect people will be more willing to accept a bit less expereience for less pay, especially if they no lionger have under 2s.

So, I expect it is the nanny with 5+ years of experience who wants to earn more than £350 net per week who will struggle in the crunch.

1dilemma · 23/07/2008 01:14

I think there is normal behaviour and normal 'London' behaviour TBH but I'm not a Londoner.
I do think (hearsay only I admit)that some nannies have a very strange view of the world but then I also found it strange when you said a couple on 100K would be most likely to wait until dcs go to school. 100K is a huge salary for a single person and if combined clearly what people need to be on to afford a nanny.

However if you want strange look at some of the nannies needed ads on gumtree total eye opener as to what people think they can get away with, people wanting a full-time nanny but calling it an au-pair and offering £80 a week, then proudly boasting of the 2 weeks paid holiday they offer!!!

On a more cheery note for nannies (and working parents) I wonder if the gov will stop some of the tax credits and switch to allowing childcare to be tax deductable benefits in terms of bringing nannies into the tax paying fold, benefits in returning people to work etc etc. That would get my vote.

navyeyelasH · 23/07/2008 00:38

I think I must just be a really nice nanny or something? If my bosses washing is on the line when I get to hers I always fold it bring it in and put it in the airing cupboard. Sometimes when I do the girls clothes and the dads shirts are lying around if I have time I do them. even when I go and babysit if the dishwasher is full and clean I empty it...

I'm starting to think this isn't normal nanny behaviour?

1dilemma · 23/07/2008 00:05

No navyeyelash the nannies I know (admittedly it's hardly hundreds!) wouldn't but you only need to see my place to know that IYSWIM
It's something you read about on here I wish I could remember whose nanny was it who left them that note (I wonder if it was mymmypoppins?) and there is another nanny/parent forum people on here have referred to I just can't remember the name Athene will know!I'm glad someone's still posting I thought I'd managed to finish them both off!
(Nannynicks other one about the news)

navyeyelasH · 23/07/2008 00:01

Maybe I should set up an agency that doesn't take the pi$$ out of parents! 1dilemma do you really know nannies that would have a fit over such a thing, I have hard of course but never met such a nanny? Would love to tho!

1dilemma · 22/07/2008 23:22

Again I think £8 is pretty top wack for a cleaner, I see people wanting more but always assume that's why they are advertising if they charge that much

navyeyelasH · 22/07/2008 23:18

oppss sorry it's because you said "these ladies at.." my brain is easily confused at this late hour!