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childminders who DON'T charge for your hols .... can I ask how much holiday you take?

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funnypeculiar · 03/06/2008 19:31

Note: This is not, repeat NOT, a 'should cms charge for their hols' thread.

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funnypeculiar · 04/06/2008 22:35

Thanks loonytune - you're right, I just need to be strong

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looneytune · 04/06/2008 20:24

FP - this is why I asked as I had a feeling she was breaking the contract agreement with lack of notice. You should never feel you can't say anything about these things. I've become very friendly with my mindee parents, in fact one mum atm is doing me meals etc. as I'm heavily pregnant and she's just lovely like that BUT....I'd never expect to get away with anything that's for sure. Even if I was desperate for a day off for something, if it wasn't within the 4 weeks notice period, I'd ASK but tell her I totally understood if it's too late notice!

I'd check the other bits on the contract and then have a word about it all as it's messing your work up. Being SE has nothing to do with it!

Good luck

funnypeculiar · 04/06/2008 19:45

looneytune -it varies - the latest one if for less than 4 weeks, I've had one where the notice was less than a week (I was a bit arsey on that one!) The extra week she's just booking is end July. 4 weeks notice is what's in the contract - I do know that bit

I think the difficult thing is that usual problem of separating out the professional & personal relationship. I like her, & would always do my best to work round the needs of her family (I am SE & work from home, so I can usually be reasonably flexible). Likewise, I would hope that she would always do her best to accomodate me if i needed extra days or a late pick up occasionally. I am sometimes nervous that my relaxed approach means she feels that it's never any trouble for me to take days off/rearrange. Which clearly ain't the case.

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looneytune · 04/06/2008 18:55

FP - how much notice is she giving for these 'extra' days off?

hennipenni · 04/06/2008 16:36

my hols work out at 1 week at christmas, two weeks for summer holiadays and the odd days here and there for bank hols easter etc so about 4-5 weeks all told.

ChasingSquirrels · 04/06/2008 14:39

mine used to take 1 week in June, for the last 2 years she hasn't taken any (although I know last year it worked out that all of her mindees were away in the same week in the summer hols so she did have a week off and went away for a few days).

Berryred · 04/06/2008 14:37

I take 30 days hols each year, 4 weeks hols and 5 training days

Not that I have ever than the 30 days I was finding when most training days run over 2 days here and not at weekends, only first aid over weekend in the new directory

funnypeculiar · 04/06/2008 14:32

Useful everyone thanks. She did give me what I assumed was a full list at the beginning of the year - which is perhaps why I'm finding these late minute additions disconcerting. Good thought from a few of you on asking her to recommend cover - I know she has a few local contacts who I also know to nod to, so that would be a good solution (& might help her realise I do need to work even when she isn't
Still need to check out contract - it's in the filing in dd's room & I only remember it when she's asleep!

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KellyKateneedsaholiday · 04/06/2008 13:31

i take 4 whole weeks and about 6 scattered days. I give the parents a list of hols for year at beginning of jan. They are all unpaid apart from the week at Christmas which is full pay. All the parents have got alternative care so as long as they have plenty of notice so I dont have to help them find other care.
I used to only take a couple of weeks but i take more now to spend more time with my own children.

jillyj · 04/06/2008 13:21

i usually take six weeks. have just started full pay for 2 weeks at xmas, but only for new or additional children. i always had 6 weeks in my previous life (local government) and i always (apart for xmas) try to find clients cover.

OFSTEDoutstanding · 04/06/2008 10:26

I take 4 weeks per year but generally only use 2 of them as whole weeks and the other 2 as scattered days. I shut down between christmas and New Year usually 23rd Dec-2nd Jan depending on what days they fall on ie I wont open just for a Monday or a Friday.

aGalChangedHerName · 04/06/2008 07:14

I think she would have to review and redo the contract if she wants to change the amount of hols she takes. If you don't pay for her hols can you ask her if she can arrange cover with a CM friend?

Littlefish · 04/06/2008 07:11

My childminder took 4 weeks last year, but is taking 5 weeks this year. She told us in January that she would be taking the extra week, and also told us which weeks she would be taking for all of this year.

She prints the dates on every invoice which is great because I can't forget now!

KaySamuels · 04/06/2008 06:53

I take four weeks hols a year, pre booked in the January unpaid.

I also usually end up with Bank Hols off unpaid too though but I do offer to work them for double fee.

badgerhead · 04/06/2008 06:41

I take between 4 & 5 weeks hols with 2 weeks paid & the rest unpaid. It varies because I take off the time between Xmas & NY, & it is therefore dependent on which days in the week they fall as to how long I have off. I have just had last week off,unpaid, will be having 2 weeks off in August ,paid at a lower rate, plus an extra unpaid day tacked onto it. The Xmas hols & a day in November unpaid. I would always check with parents to see if they need cover for my holidays & if they do try to arrange it with a childminder friend who has a vacancy for that period, who is known to the child & possibly the parent as well. That is the recommendation at present & from September we should be trying our utmost to arrange this under the EYFS.
I think she is taking the p**s & should help you find an alternative. I was off ill last year (with 2 weeks in hospital,& then 4 weeks recovery, fortunately 2 of those weeks were prebooked holiday) and my family still manged to find some alternative childminders from my contacts for those families who needed it & all the families were very good & supporting.

funnypeculiar · 03/06/2008 22:13

NCMA - of course - sorry Will dig it out.

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looneytune · 03/06/2008 22:09

Definitely check it. If it's NCMA, she'd have had to hand write how much time and it would show whether paid or unpaid! Even down to detailing bank hols so it's all on there. Let us know once you've checked it and we will know whether she's breaking her contract or not!

fishie · 03/06/2008 22:07

it is meant to be 2 weeks but will be 4 this year. no easter hol this year, which i think is meant to be paid contractually but maybe we don't (?) dh asleep he does paying.

funnypeculiar · 03/06/2008 22:04

Should check it - we recently updated & my recollection is that there isn't anything in there - it's just the standard one (NMRC or whatever it is ) - would holidays normally be in that?
I'm debating whether to say anything, but wanted to check if IBU first...

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looneytune · 03/06/2008 21:57

funnypeculiar - what does your contract say? That does seem a lot imo and to have extra days she can't do too......I've had times where I've needed to go to hospital for checks with this pregnancy on advice of midwife but I've made it when parents aren't affected as although I should put myself and baby first, I just feel terrible guilt for letting people down. I'd be interested to hear about the contract though!!

funnypeculiar · 03/06/2008 21:45

So sounds like 4 weeks is about standard then (with some exceptions either side)

My cm has just added another week that she can't do, which brings her hols to 6 weeks. I've taken my main 2 weeks separate to her this year, as it's ds' last year before school, & I'm SE, so have just realised with a nasty shock that adds up to 2 months when I won't be working this year.

She's also had (so far) 4 additional days in that she can't do (I only do 2 days a week) - to be fair, most of those she could accomodate another day that week, so that didn't actually add another 2 weeks.

PS pointydog - pay attention dear

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Shoshe · 03/06/2008 21:03

2 weeks unpaid, week between xmas and New Year and Bank Hols Half Pay.

stellabgh · 03/06/2008 20:59

I reserve the right to take 6 weeks of but generally only take 4.

kkey21 · 03/06/2008 20:53

Me 1 week and a few days over christmas usually.....

xx

pointydog · 03/06/2008 20:47

Both childminders I have had in recent years haven't charged for my holidays or theirs (apart from bank holidays). I am now a teacher so I don't pay for school holidays.

Tends to vary enormously depending on the individual cm.

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