Should parents pay nanny's for the nanny to take them out?

Weirdest thing I’ve heard in a long time. Of course they pay the costs of their children’s trips out and cover your costs too. Either give you cash or a card. Expecting you to pay and claim it back months later is madness.

Yes and most people would like to do that!

I'm appalled at their suggestion.

If they are claiming 80% of your wages from the government then they want childcare as opposed to a nanny. It sounds like they cannot afford for the children to go anywhere which costs money. In that case I’d stick to free places and lots of picnics etc . Just tell the eldest child the truth. Mum doesn’t give me the money to take you to expensive places.

OP, this CF family is exploiting you. My friend is a nanny and she is employed by the family. She is not self employed. Your family should be paying your NI, holiday, sick pay. They are taking the piss. You need to look for a new family.

So they want you to pay all these costs and then put them through as a Business expense?
Thats not how it works

Also no you shouldn't pay. We gave our nanny a card.

if you don't mind saying, what are they trying to get away with paying you? I fully expect they're taking advantage of you in this way too.

You can't legally be a self-employed Nanny either you don't meet the criteria. If I were you, I would look for an actual Nanny job where the parents are happy to do things legally and fairly. These people are gonna get you in bother, one way or another!!

It's a shame for the children as they're probably attached to you by now, but it's their parents bringing this on not you.

Oh dear.

They are exploiting your naivety, and dodging paying the fair rates of tax & NI that they should pay

I very much doubt you would actually be categorised as "self employed" if you went through all the questions at https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-employment-status-for-tax (scroll down to the "start now" button for the questions)

This!! I would find another family, that is unbelievably shocking. Any costs you incurred as a result of looking after their children, they pay for.

*summarises!!

Op re being self employed if you're only working for the one family then my understanding is (I may be wrong) then you ought to be an employee. See the following link that dummarises the position: www.nannytax.co.uk/self-employment#:~:text=When%20might%20a%20nanny%20be,more%20families%20at%20one%20time.

No! I have a friend who is a nanny and she works out costs for trips etc and runs it by the parents. She tends to choose one more expensive trip a week in the holidays. Beach, parks etc are obviously free. If they can’t afford to pay for you as well they can’t afford a nanny.

I don’t think you are self employed. To be self employed you need to meet certain criteria such as being able to send a substitute and plan your own ours as long as services are delivered (like a joiner or gardener coming to your house to do a task).

By pretending you are self employed they are not making employers NI contributions, you are not entitled to holiday pay, maternity pay, redundancy, protection from unfair dismissal.

i knew these chancers would have pulled this. Job hunt starts tomorrow I think!

We have always paid all expenses for children and nanny. Of course.

I had to ask one nanny not to go out with the children. She always chose the most expensive options asking us to top up. Didn't work.

& no, you're not self employed. You can't suddenly send a friend instead of you. You almost certainly wouldn't meet the other indicators of self employment either.

May I ask how much you're charging per hour?

There is a website that offers advice for Nannys and their employers, and this covers expenses and this can be found here :- Paying your nanny's expenses and mileage | Nanny Matters

Are you employed or self employed - if its the UK, you should be employed and as such the expenses are theirs and not yours.

Sorry - your link hadn’t posted when I replied 😂

You wouldn't be able to "claim the expenses back" via the tax system. You would be able get income tax relief on expenses, but you would still be covering 80% of the cost yourself. You shouldn't be paying for the children's or your own costs incurred as part of your employment.

I understand but you shouldn’t be paying for this out of your own pocket. It will have to be free days out unless she pays for more exciting things which she seems reluctant to do. It’s not easy keeping kids entertained for free but many parents try their best in the holidays! If you could arrange meeting with their friends at the local parks etc that would help.

Just checking these employers are paying you as an employee and paying employers NI? They haven’t convinced you to go self employed have they?

Let her older kid moan to her that they’re bored and want to go to X place. Hopefully she will get the message from her own child when you’ve been to the same park 50 times recently

It was a joke. I thought I was agreeing with you? It's the same bonkers logic that somehow there's a way things are magically free when you define them as tax deductable or a 'write off'. Rather than they just reduce your tax liability.