Childminder's dog has bitten DD

It was not your fault. It was the fault of the dog’s owners

as a cm I agree

You’re blaming the child? That is disgusting ! The “ poor thing” could have deformed the child for life or worse.

Then childminders should not have dogs- no risk is acceptable

Why was the child even able to go in the room the dog was in? The child is the victim here!

But it’s not just a vet that can cause a dog pain. There’s been a few posts on this thread in regards to this whereby someone has an accidentally hurt the dog and the dogs reflex has been to snap. Sometimes that snap can catch someone. It’s a reflex, I’m not saying dogs don’t bite more that it’s not as simple as that. People presume aggression and go immediately to thought of killing the dog.

Yes, if a dog has bitten then consideration needs to be taken on what actions someone will take. Often, a dog will be rehomed to an experienced person who can work with the dog and is usually an adult only household.

obvious exception with vets but any dog that deliberatly bites shoud be pts

I agree a bite from a small dog can be horrific. However, there is a massive difference as most people and older children could defend themselves against a small dog as opposed to a large one. If I had to go into a room with an aggressive Chihuahua or an aggressive Dalmatian, I would choose the Chihuahua every time. It can make the difference between life and death.

I’m not sure why you have quoted me in this comment?

I agree with you @Jugglingitall85
Three year olds are unpredictable and of course they can't apply adult reasoning.

Jfc the amount of people placing blame on a child who is not even preschool age for being bitten by the childminders pet is shocking.. I wonder how many of these people have dogs.
They are a child.. They were with an approved childminder.. The childminder should know better than to have an animal around very young children.
Yes she should be reported as next time it could be a baby that gets bitten.

Lol
come on. A dog and a human are two different things.

And if you really want to go down that route, then you might also want to kill humans with cancer/most chronic illnesses, like we do with dogs? No? Why is that? Seeing we wouldn’t put a dog through that….

Very unhelpful comparaison.

I think we should know what the child minder has done/is doing to rectify this. If the dog is not allowed near the children again then ok although I would be looking for some compensation of some sort for the ordeal for your Daughter and yourselves. You then can decide if her actions are enough. Without knowing what happened I don't think calling for the dog to be PTS is ok. Having said all this I don't think I'd be sending my child back there without some major assurances.

Now this is the sensible way, rehoming the dog. Not immediately jumping to the death route because sometimes it just isn’t needed. Many times the dog just needs a different environment with experienced people who can work with the dog. Not saying you aren’t experienced but you recognised that that was the best for your dog.

So if someone hurts a dog (in no way am I saying that’s what happened here) and the dog snaps at them then they should immediately be killed? What happens if it’s a vet tending to a dog’s wound, the dog is scared and in pain and snaps at the vet should they be killed too? It’s not as simple as that. If something causes a dog pain a dogs reflex can be a snap, it doesn’t mean it’s intentional. It’s a reflex and sometimes that snap will catch someone. What about puppies who mouth people’s hands and sometimes it can hurt and break skin, should they immediately be put to sleep?

I don’t think you can blame a 3yr

where was the cm

why was dog able to be near children and not locked away via a stair gate

which most 3yr can’t open

ofsted will take a very dim view of that

This must be really distressing for you, your child and I don't doubt it, for your childminder too. Nobody sets out with the intent of inflicting or having any involvement in such an awful event.

Do you have a copy of your childminder's policies regarding accidents and incidents or/and access to animals?

What is the process documented for when a situation such as this arises?
Has childminder followed the process?
Have you been asked to countersign a completed accident/incident form?

What did childminder say would happen next?

Has this happened?

If you are unsatisfied which sounds like it is the case here, get your doctor's report on the injuries and photos taken at the time by childminder/you and contact the organisation that registers and regulates childminders in your area. Report the incident and what has happened in terms of actions by childminder since.

If you have lost faith in the childcare setting, you may wish to include a pet free childcare setting in your search for alternative care.

Many years ago my puppy was in his crate in my utility room. A friend went in and having been told that he was wary of strangers, put her hand into the cage to pet him. He bit her fingertip and shocked us all. She was a adult and had been advised to leave him be but did not. He did not bite again for a further three years but at that point he bit my 5 year old three times in one week. I too am a childminder and was unprepared to risk anyone else being bitten, especially a minded child. He (the dog) was rehomed to a couple with no children and has thrived since. No biting, no territorial behaviour. Just a chilled out dog. A vet told me that the overstimulation/noise etc may have contributed to him turning alpha on us.

I really hope you get this sorted to your satisfaction. It may or may not involve changing your childcare

You know her and you probably know the dog better than any of the commentators here. Just exercise common sense when deciding what to do. The first thing is a discussion with her about the truth of what happened. My dear old dog bit me on the cheek and had never bitten or snapped at anyone before. Took her to the vet as I knew something must have been wrong. She had a temperature and an infection. Not the dog's fault, she was unwell
If you really want to avoid anything on the future, either she kennels the dog whilst childminding or you have to look elsewhere.

Lots of posts, haven't read them all... but there's a huge difference between an aggressive bite and an 'over-enthusiastic' dog.

This would be critical.

Granted, it doesn't change the common sense solution of not sending your child there again.

Apologies I wasn't aware of your daughter's age when I mentioned the tetanus shot. And you also stated following your initial post that you had been to A&E so obviously you've done everything you should have.

You seriously need to report to police. They run a childcare business and are putting children at risk. Imagine if it did it again to your child or another child and it killed your child or another, which is easily done, how would you feel? It doesn't take long to bleed out.

I disagree. If you have dogs yourself, of course you teach your children how to behave around them. If you don’t have dogs, that’s far harder to do. Yes, you emphasise when you’re out and about and see a dog that you must ask permission before touching etc — but I really don’t see you can blame the OP for her child being bitten by the CM’s dog while in the CM’s care. And I say this as a dog owner.

it's the phrase used by vets etc. and very common.
If people said killed all the time then no doubt they'd be rounded on for sounding too harsh.

personally I think any dog that has bitten a person should be killed/ pts/ made unalive

What difference does it make if it was a small or large dog? I own both and let me tell you my two smaller dogs have the capacity to do horrendous damage with a bite. I'm absolutely sick and tired of the notion that small dogs are fine and large dogs are the enemy. Before giving advice to people get your facts straight and stop pushing this ridiculous mentality.

Can't believe anyone at all is blaming a 3 year old or OP for her 3 years olds behaviour!

The childminder is to blame, and likely is very remorseful.

If the dog was vicious and wanted to rip a 3 years olds face off - that would have happened. A nip that barely broke the skin is a warning.

No it shouldn't have happened.
Yes the childminder should have been supervising.
As a parent I would want to know what had been put in place to prevent this happening going forward. Any safeguarding officer would want to know the same too.

The suggestion she should ruin someone's business and livelihood or the person who said they would kill the dog themselves. Those comments really say more about your own mental state and irrational thoughts and feelings.