Childminder's dog has bitten DD

You clearly either dont have children or know absolutely nothing about child development 3 year old can be taught/told not to do things but their brains are not developed sufficiently to consistently and reliably follow out what they’re been taught 100% of the time hence why parents are told not to leave small children and dogs unsupervised. You wouldn’t let a 3 year old cross a road unsupervised just because they could walk and talk.
I can see you argument that the OP chose a CM with a dog but if I had done that I would assume that the CM had been instructed by whoever inspects her to keep the dog away from her mindees at all times to prevent things like this kind of thing happening.

I am actually so surprised by the amount of people who place all the blame on the childminder and none on OP - who either knowingly sent her child, who doesn’t know how to behave around dogs, to a childminder with dogs (which let’s be honest, even if the child DID know is foolish) or didn’t properly check.

NO. For the millionth time - the child is not to blame, but OP certainly needs to cop to her share. And that has been my point throughout.

@TwinklySquid @beardediris

No, a three year old would not be expected to understand how to properly act around animals- which is why we supervise them at all times.

This CM wasn’t watching a child in her care. The dog bit a child’s face- that dog should never be allowed around children again.

OP, I would inform the council about your concerns . I’d feel awful if I didn’t say something and another child was injured.

I have a relative who was a childminder, and as far as I know, dogs must be kept well away from the children. Their dog had to be in a closed pen in the garden with a kennel for shelter, during business hours, when the children were there, he was not a vicious or unpredictable dog. This was a stipulation of registration.

Absolute rubbish. Three year old can be taught not to touch dogs they don’t know that they need to be gently etc but thrt cannot be relied on to do this all the time the onus to keep both the 3 yr old child and dog safe lies with the supervising adult. The whole thing implies insufficient supervision of both child and dog. Secondly assuming the OP is getting the full story children do run into rooms this is normal behaviour and who would want there child to go to a child minder where they couldn’t run into a room.
So CM is totally at fault here not the child or the dog. The OPs daughter and the dog itself should not have been put in the situation. Anyone with a grain of common sense would know that children especially three year old run around, and assuming the story is correct dogs get startled especially old ones, and can snap/bite. Other posters justify what the dog did by saying the child might have tormented the dog for hours and the dog finally snapped the bloody CM if she was any good shouldn’t allow that too happen (neither should parents).
Personally I dont agree with the hysterical calls to PTS, the dog was behaving like a dog so is not at fault and the child like a child so is equally not at fault but I would report the CM to Ofstead and definitely not take my child there again.

A dog bite to the face when the child and dog were unsupervised isn't minor.

It's a major issue and it needs reporting to Ofsted for the protection of all the children that minder minds going forward.

Then why did you send her to a childminder with a dog?

I wasn’t blaming your child. I was blaming you and saying you were as negligent (given your child ‘does silly things’ and ‘may have been rough’) as the childminder. The fact you think it’s okay that your child doesn’t know how to act around household pets makes it even worse IMO that you put her with a childminder with a dog.

yes, the childminder is at fault but you are also responsible for what happened

A few years ago my OH was working for a delivery company, bathroom parts, he took the radiator in with permission as it was bloody huge, and they had two yappy chiwawa things and one jumped up and took a bite near his nether regions (I'm sure that would have been a different story) but it was nasty, bleeding, teeth marks and required a tetanus shot and some small stitches. His manager reported it the the police and asked my OH if he wants the dog PTS. My OH wasn't really happy to make that decision but was concerned about it going for a child in future. Anyway it ended up that it was put on record and if that same dog did anything like that again it would be put down automatically. So I would definitely report it and state you don't want it PTS but if it were to happen again it would be out of everybody hands.

I haven’t RTWT just OP. I would report to children’s social services, this needs to be investigated and the CM should not have any other children in her care whilst it is. This is neglect by a professional and the LADO needs to have oversight of it.

Yes let’s blame the innocent three year old. Not either of the adults or the vicious dog. Nobody was there when it happened - it could have been totally unprovoked.

This thread has a really high percentage of crazy people on it. You've got everything from people threatening to kill dogs to people believing a three year old should be some sort of dog behaviour expert 😂

No Childminder should leave a young child unsupervised with a dog. Absolutely neglectful on the Childminders fault. Do not blame the 3 year old fgs.

If the Childminder wasn’t there there to supervise (eg she popped into another room briefly) then the dog should have been moved into a different room from the children, or behind a gate.

Yes a 3 year old should know not to provoke a dog. But 3 year olds do stupid shit sometimes, actually quite a lot of the time. A trained and paid Childcare professional should absolutely know not to leave a young child and a dog in a room alone. The adult is responsible not the child.

I am an ex-childminder and dog owner.

No child should ever be in a situation where they can be unsupervised with a dog. The dogs should be kept separate at all times, unless they can be carefully supervised together with the childminder present.

This is neglectful on the part of the Childminder and I would absolutely report this to Ofsted. Her number one priority is the safeguarding of the children in her care, and by allowing your child to be in a room unsupervised with a dog she has allowed this situation to happen.

Even if a child attacked a dog first (I know this isn’t what happened with you) then the Childminder is totally at fault. This scenario should never have been allowed to happen.

I never said the child was. BUT OP is making excuses for her child - ‘it’s not for her to understand.’

And quite frankly, it is. By three children should know how to behave around pets. Regardless of what happened and why, OP should accept that.

OP and the childminder are equally at fault in my view - the childminder for having a dog around kids who clearly don’t know how to behave around dogs ‘child entered the room the dog was in’ and OP for sending her child - who she claims is to young to know how to behave around dogs - to a childminder with a dog.

Both adults should take responsibility.

You have to report this, what if it happened to a small baby next time and childminder didn't intervene?
They might not pts but might take away her license for now as clearly it's not a safe environment with the dog there.

Absolutely appalling that she 'didnt see' what had happened. A 3 year old should never be out of sight with a dog. A 3 year old running into a room and scaring a dog is surely an entirely predictable event - 3 year olds run around and are loud!

I think this is worth a report to Ofsted. There are presumably other children there and I think the childminder has been negligent.

I've been bitten by a dog. It was very scary. I reported it to the police and they were very helpful. It went to court and the dog was mandated to wear a muzzle.
The main reason I reported it was it was my thigh. If it had been a toddler the dog would have had its face.
You should report it at the very least to your safeguarding team in the council. How will you feel if it does it to another child and next time it's much worse.
I'm sorry this has happened but you need to speak out on behalf of your child. Safeguarding is everyone's responsibility

Ofsted and the police need to know.

@Jugglingitall85 I think the biggest concern is she didn't see it happen. Dogs shouldn't be around children without supervision and especially at a child minders. This really does need reporting to Ofsted at lest.

I did the childminder training course, but in the end decided not to take any clients and go ahead.

Having said that, I can 100% guarantee that there is no condition in which a child should EVER be allowed to walk, unattended, into a room with a dog. The dog should have been securely locked away with no way for a child to unlock whatever barrier is in place. There will have been a home visit and she will have had to demonstrate this, but it sounds like she ignores the regulations when she’s not under observation. Ofsted need to be contacted. Now.

Are you in the uk? As this is reportable, even if it’s just under the dangerous dogs act, the childminder has a responsibility to keep her dog under control at all times, even though the children are in her house.
I would also inform OFSTED as a health and safety concern, although this is classed as a minor injury, there was possible negligence from the childminder which lead to the situation, and there should be a clear plan in place to prevent this happening again. The dog bite is a near miss of a much more serious incident, if the dog had caught their eye, it could have been a much more serious outcome.

Have you had contact with the childminder since the bite?

This person sounds more dangerous than the dog!

Should dangerous people also be put to sleep or is it just dogs?

The doggy lovers will minimise this and say that little trixie is a poor innocent flulff baby and your daughter is a wild beast.

And they all need to get a grip.

Childminder should stop childminding if she cannot appropriately

1. supervise children so that they’re not unsupervised
2. control her dog

I would certainly report to ofsted as a bare minimum.

But nobody knows that she was tormenting the dog. The CM didn't see it happen and or say that was what happened. The OP paid someone to look after their child and it is the fault of the CM that this was allowed to happen.