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Can’t afford the additional charges at nursery for my 3 year old

238 replies

Lilacbluewaters · 10/01/2025 14:04

Hi,
my son recently started nursery attached to a school, he turns 4 in March. He receives the 15 funded hours. However the nursery have sent an invoice with additional charges for things like nappies. Wipes, extra activities, snacks and their app. I wasn’t aware of this and I can’t afford the extra £80 per month for this.
will I have to withdraw his place?

OP posts:
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Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 19:09

@LadySnoresMuchly yes but it won't be free for all 2 year olds unless you qualify - which is either for SEN reasons or the circumstances I shared above.
Not all 2 year olds can get a free nursery place.

LadySnoresMuchly · 10/01/2025 19:02

Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 18:36

@LadySnoresMuchly according to Gov.uk.org not all 2 year olds are entitled to free nursery places (although I know things are changing now).
So apologies that I said it was aimed at children with SEN but it is for children with other special circumstances (ie low income family).

Edited

But that page is about benefits. If you want a place at a school nursery for a two year old then you can apply. If there is a space you will get a space for your two year old.

Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 18:41

@Lilacbluewaters you haven't answered about what type of nursery this is.
Is it a school class that your child attends for 3 hours a day, Monday to Friday, term time only?
Because if so they shouldn't be asking for any money except for the odd voluntary donation to fund something like a class Christmas party.
Or if your child stays for lunch you have to pay for that if he has the school dinner.

Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 18:36

@LadySnoresMuchly according to Gov.uk.org not all 2 year olds are entitled to free nursery places (although I know things are changing now).
So apologies that I said it was aimed at children with SEN but it is for children with other special circumstances (ie low income family).

Can’t afford the additional charges at nursery for my 3 year old
Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 18:33

@LadySnoresMuchly ok apologies if some of what I said was wrong.
But as far as I knew the academic year that covers 3-4 years old is Foundation Stage 1 and 4-5 years old is Foundation Stage 2. Most schools call that Reception year but I have seen some schools call it Foundation or "F2" so "F1" will be the nursery class year.
If a child is in "F1" within a school then surely they are at school - not daycare. An environment which at 3 should not include needing nappies.

YourNimbleOchrePoster · 10/01/2025 18:30

How much would you spend on snacks or trips out if your DC doesn’t attend the nursery?

LadySnoresMuchly · 10/01/2025 18:26

Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 18:06

@Threeandahalf that's not a "school" though for the babies. It's daycare.
@LadySnoresMuchly in England the Early Years Foundation Stage is two years.
3-4 year old and 4-5 year olds.
The 4-5 year olds are the school year called Reception although some areas of England call it Foundation. If a school has a class for the 3-4 year olds it's usually called "Nursery Class".
The class is usually 3 hours a day, Monday to Friday (15 hours, term time only). It's part of school.
That's what I have been asking the OP to say what type of nursery her child is in.

The EYFS framework for the development, learning and care of children firm birth to five?

I was an EYFS teacher for fifteen years. In my last year of teaching nursery (in a school) the two and three year olds were together. And any two year old could get a place, they didn't have to have SEN.

Littlefish · 10/01/2025 18:10

brummumma · 10/01/2025 14:36

It's unusual for school attached nursery/pre school to charge for additional items (which is a con by the way....bet there is about 20 to a class and so the government funding is more than adequate!)

I know for a fact in my area the LA pays £5 per hour for funded hours for 3/4 year olds

There are 24 children in the pre school class
That's £120 per hour or £3,600 for the 30 hours per week or over £136k for term time

They have 2 teachers I doubt earn much above minimum wage ...

The building is on school grounds therefore there is no rent due

The nursery is quids in

If it's a maintained school nursery, there must be a qualified teacher in charge. Starting salary is about £33k outside London. A full time level 2 TA is about £23k I think. Add to this a level 3 qualified TA to cover when the teacher is at lunch, plus the teacher's 10% non contact time (or 20% if they are a new teacher) and you can quickly see how salaries eat up all of the government funding.

The funding is not designed to cover extras such as nappies, food, resources etc.

However, if parents only take 15 hours, any contribution must be voluntary and there must be an entirely free offer, such as enabling parents to provide their own nappies, snacks, lunch etc.

Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 18:06

@Threeandahalf that's not a "school" though for the babies. It's daycare.
@LadySnoresMuchly in England the Early Years Foundation Stage is two years.
3-4 year old and 4-5 year olds.
The 4-5 year olds are the school year called Reception although some areas of England call it Foundation. If a school has a class for the 3-4 year olds it's usually called "Nursery Class".
The class is usually 3 hours a day, Monday to Friday (15 hours, term time only). It's part of school.
That's what I have been asking the OP to say what type of nursery her child is in.

LadySnoresMuchly · 10/01/2025 17:59

Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 17:36

@LadySnoresMuchly nursery for 2 year olds that is part of a school is slightly different as it's usually aimed at children who need an earlier start due to SEN reasons so children in nappies may not be unusual and the staff levels will be arranged for that.
A regular Nursery Class for 3-4 year olds is the first part of Foundation Stage.
If that is what the OPs child is in then it's school not daycare.

Not where I live (England) it isn't.

Threeandahalf · 10/01/2025 17:53

Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 16:44

There shouldn't be a need for nappies in a school nursery though (except for children with SEN which special arrangements will have been made).
It's school - not daycare.

My son goes to a state school nursery which takes babies from 4 months.

YouveGotAFastCar · 10/01/2025 17:39

We’re not allowed to supply food. Our top up cost is £3.40 an hour, plus a daily subsidy. It’s to cover all “additional costs”, and it’s not optional. It is tough, I was not prepared for it to go up again at three.

Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 17:36

@LadySnoresMuchly nursery for 2 year olds that is part of a school is slightly different as it's usually aimed at children who need an earlier start due to SEN reasons so children in nappies may not be unusual and the staff levels will be arranged for that.
A regular Nursery Class for 3-4 year olds is the first part of Foundation Stage.
If that is what the OPs child is in then it's school not daycare.

LadySnoresMuchly · 10/01/2025 17:32

Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 17:22

@Lilacbluewaters is this a school nursery class though?
It would be very odd to even mention nappies for a school based environment.

Some schools have two year olds in nursery now, many of them in nappies.

Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 17:22

@Lilacbluewaters is this a school nursery class though?
It would be very odd to even mention nappies for a school based environment.

Ayechinnyreckon · 10/01/2025 17:22

brummumma · 10/01/2025 14:36

It's unusual for school attached nursery/pre school to charge for additional items (which is a con by the way....bet there is about 20 to a class and so the government funding is more than adequate!)

I know for a fact in my area the LA pays £5 per hour for funded hours for 3/4 year olds

There are 24 children in the pre school class
That's £120 per hour or £3,600 for the 30 hours per week or over £136k for term time

They have 2 teachers I doubt earn much above minimum wage ...

The building is on school grounds therefore there is no rent due

The nursery is quids in

Just because the nursery is on school grounds, doesn't mean they don't pay rent - the most local state primary to us has a private company provide the pre-school onsite and charges them rent. To make money the nursery provides additional hours for those with the 15 free hours, which parents pay for if they want. It's very popular.

Lilacbluewaters · 10/01/2025 17:16

My child doesn’t require nappies/wipes but this is just what they had wrote on the email. I could definitely supply a snack

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TwirlyPineapple · 10/01/2025 16:50

Is it a formal school nursery, as in for children only in the academic year before they start Reception? Or is it a pre-school/nursery that happens to be in the grounds of the school?

Our local pre-school is based in school grounds and has a name which you'd think meant they were affiliated with the school, but actually they just rent the space and are a private entity. If yours is like that, it would explain why they need to charge extras for miscellaneous costs, which is something most private nurseries do.

Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 16:44

There shouldn't be a need for nappies in a school nursery though (except for children with SEN which special arrangements will have been made).
It's school - not daycare.

MumonabikeE5 · 10/01/2025 16:42

You could suggest sending in an appropriate number of nappies and wipes,

will you be in receipt of free school meals when he is older?
maybe they will have a discretionary fund.

but of course you should expect to pay for items that are not for education- nappies and snacks etc, you’d need to do this wherever you go with 15hr provision. Same with 30hr provision

LEWWW · 10/01/2025 16:38

Our childminder charges a top up per hour, so even though we have 30 free hours we still get charged 200 a month and we supply all nappies and meals which is still a good deal compared to the 1000 a month we would normally pay.

I thought with school nurseries they had to let you send in your own nappies/meals etc to negate the charges?

Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 16:36

@Jazzjazzyjulez the OP said it's part of a school so it's the Nursery Class (sometimes known as Foundation 1). If it's part of a school then it isn't a childcare environment.
At least I assume. The OP hasn't come back to confirm.

Snozzlemaid · 10/01/2025 16:31

Speak to the early years team at your local authority.
You should be offered an alternative if you can't afford to pay for consumables. Such as providing your own nappies and food for the child.

Jazzjazzyjulez · 10/01/2025 16:28

Needmorelego · 10/01/2025 15:36

@Jazzjazzyjulez if it's part of a school it should be funded though.
It's 15 hours of EDUCATION not child care.
It's the first year of Foundation Stage. It's "pre-school" which is part of the school system.
(This is providing this is a state funded English primary - if not then it might be different).

You called it nursery.

Same principle applies:

The Early Education and Childcare Statutory Guidance for Local Authorities April 2023 states providers can ‘charge for meals and snacks as part of a free entitlement place and that they can also charge for consumables such as nappies or sun cream, and for services such as trips and specialist tuition. Parents can therefore be expected to pay for these’

ThisIsNotARealAvo · 10/01/2025 16:27

Not really the point of the thread but in the nursery at our school lots of children are in nappies. Parents don't seem to potty train them as early as before, or maybe don't know how to.

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