15 hour funding v 30 hours

Sorry for the typo yes 1 day per week!

Interesting point i'll definitely ask them, thank you.

No funding includes meals but they may choose not to charge for it especially for Los who eat less and they get paid a higher rate for.

To be clear:
15 funded hours x 38 weeks = 570 hours a year
570 hours/51 weeks = 11 hours a week

10 hours a week x 51 week = 510 hours a year
If they are claiming the extra hours they should be letting you have them.

Ok, that’s right then - one day a week.
You said one day a month.

As a side note 15 hours a week spread over 51 weeks is 11 hours a week . You should be asking them what are they doing with the other hour. If they are not claiming it from the LA, all is fine but if they are, they need to be delivering that to you.

@BetFreda this is what my nursery sent out. tbf i've heard from a few in the area that they are doing it the same

How can it be one free day a month if you are receiving 15 hours funding? Even in a stretched model it would be more than that

You can get them to run it through their computer - what does a baby cost with and without funding for full time, same for a toddler, what is the sibling discount and the cost with or without that?

I was told by my nursery the 9 month plus funding includes meals, the 2 years plus funding doesn't so i'd question this too. i've had my bill for sept for my 12 month and the 9 month funding works out as 1 free day per month but no extra charge for meals.

It’s the nursery’s issue I’m afraid and the governments doing. Certainly not the op’s. They can’t just charge her incorrectly to make up the difference.
Other nursery’s seem to up the prices for the unfunded hours.

This. Mine deducts the hours I have three funded sessions and a paid for session from September . Just had the invoice and it's very clear.

So if a nursery charges £7ph (for example) and the funded rate is £5ph (for example) who pays the £2ph shortfall? A lot of nursery's are barely covering costs as it is, I don't know how people think they can just suck up these kind of losses.

Don't get me wrong, it's crap and the cost should be funded properly but that's a government issue not a nursery issue.

It’s irrelevant what rate the LA pay. 30 and 15 hours should be deducted, not the funded amount. They are certainly charging incorrectly. Also £11 for lunch is insane.
Daily nursery rates varies between areas, but for reference….. Our days are 9 hours. Therefore, 45 hours in the week. They deduct 30 hours from the total which is 15 hours to pay. The daily rate is £63, therefore hourly rate is £63/9 hours in the day = £7 an hour. £7*15 hours= £105 a week to pay. No extra cost for lunch. £420ish a month

Under the way yours seems to be calculating, mine would be £635 days in week= £315. £315 minus funding (30£4=£120)= £195 to pay. £780ish a month, plus £11 a day for food (220ish)!

This is incorrect. They technically can charge for the food (although £11 is wild)

The maths makes the funding rate for the 3 year old £5ph and for the 9 months old £9.50. So yes the fact it's half the amount of hours but nearly double the rate makes sense.

I thought £5ph funding for 3 year olds was standard, it seems to be consistent (if shit) in Wales.

I would talk to your LA and ask them to look at the costings you've been given as they should show total hours per week less funding hours at zero equals contracted unfunded hours at fee plus voluntary charge for consumables....

La online funding rate is what the LA receive from the government not what is passed to the provider. The LA takes an admin fee then applies a formula so settings get varying amounts according to if they are schools or privately run ( extra for schools pensions) if they have SEND children etc.

As others have said they should be deducting the number of funded hours from your bill not the amount they receive from the LA.
The cost of meals is also very high.
You can contact your LA and request they look into this for you.

I think how the nursery are applying the funding is wrong and it shows they have a deep misunderstanding of how they should be charging parents that is not allowed in the statutory guidance.

EY alliance website have the EY funding rates for each area.

One year old funding in Cambridgeshire is £7.50 OP if that helps and my older one (nearly 4) is £5.40. £75 a day including food but not nappies, wipes etc so seems comparable in terms of daily cost

They're deducting the funding from the bill, which isn't how it works, they should deduct the hours.

The nursery seem to be deducting the LA’s funding money directing from your bill rather than the nursery’s hourly rate.
This is totally wrong. That not how it should work.
Complain to your Local Authority and get them to sort it out.

Sorry - I mean the 15 hours from 9 mo this coming September, not 30

I asked our nursery this last week. The 30 hours for over 3's of working parents is the old 'universal' scheme that's always been in place. My sons had it 7 years ago. They get somewhere around £5 per hour for this from the government.

The new scheme of 30 hours for over 9 months is funded at a higher rate. This includes the 15 hours for 2 year olds which we currently get. The term after they turn 3 they switch onto the old scheme meaning that although they get more hours the nursery receives less money hence the higher bills.

Nursery manager said it's not advertised as such and is really angry that people have been enticed back to work with this promise of 'free' / cheaper bills and are going to end up with a shock when the children hit 3. The government have been sneaky imo.