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Very worried about child with nanny - any advice? Long post!!

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Possiblyparanoid · 12/04/2008 03:16

I'm in a really awkward situation. We have had our nanny almost a year and have 3 children, the eldest two are fine with the nanny but have said nanny has become quite strict. The youngest who is 2.5 has for the last couple of months become increasingly upset when the nanny comes. She will start crying when she hears the nanny's voice and has gone from clinging to us and crying, and most recently saying "no not (nannys name)" when nanny arrives to begging to go to bed, even twice has tearfully asked to put clothes on if the nanny has come whilst getting dressed, and once at a meal time had got down from the table but ran back to it and started eating when the nanny arrived.

My partner watched the nanny force food into her mouth last week until she was sick - but stupidly didnt say anything and this week when the nanny arrived I said that the baby really didnt seem to like them at the mo but didnt understand why - the nanny looked uncomfortable but offered no explanation. I have heard the nanny shouting at her on serveral occassions.

It has gotten to the point where we feel terrible leaving our daughter alone with the nanny particularly as the elder 2 are often not around.

The nanny is leaving us in 3 months but I dont think I can cope with seeing our little one so distressed during this time. She is normally so happy, playful & sociable and loves her other babysitter but is totally different when the nanny is here, she seems withdrawn.

My hubby & I have spent the last 2 months saying to each other not to jump to conclusions but something is seriously wrong here. Has anyone got any advice? I have to give one months notice to end contact but wouldn't even know what to say.

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Possiblyparanoid · 12/04/2008 17:51

Hmm well many ppl I have asked have said kids often go thro a clingy stage and this can even be when they are used to an enviroment and as stated she was clingy and cried sometimes when nanny arrived at that stage but there was absolutely no other cause for concern. So i will ignore last comment.

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missiesparkles · 12/04/2008 17:49

a bit irrelaivant now but desruptive influence is actually just a formal warning, not gross misconduct, my bad

NotABanana · 12/04/2008 17:45

Hardly straight away if this has been going on for 2 months but at least now you are doing the right thing.

NotABanana · 12/04/2008 17:42

I am saying it on principal and also in reality. Why on earth would you pay someone who has been mistreating your child?

Sack him. Don't pay him. Let him try and sue you for non payment and you can say exactly why he wasn't paid and he can get done for cruelty to a child.

New contract point - gross misconduct = no pay.

nannynick · 12/04/2008 17:40

You can't please everyone all the time, you can only please some people some of the time

The gross misconduct section of a contract is I feel quite important - it should list those things that the employer considers are grounds for instant dismissal.

PP's situation has possibly added something for that list... force feeding a child.

Good luck PP, hope your phone call goes well and that you and your children are happy with whatever you decide to do next regarding childcare.

Possiblyparanoid · 12/04/2008 17:36

Uptomyeyes I'm sorry you went through a similar situation but glad to hear ur children are happy now. It's reassuring to know I'm not alone in realising something was up str8 away.

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Possiblyparanoid · 12/04/2008 17:34

Ok last 3 posters yes would be far nicer on my pocket not to pay and paying when baby has become so unhappy is depressing too but are you honestly saying you wouldn't pay despite all possible employment legal issues, as has already been pointed out the issue of force feeding was not dealt with at the time. Im wondering if you arew saying this on principle but would not actually do it yourself? Curious to know..

Yes I'm going to try and focus forward now Imananny. And have to say nick is a world of information 2!

Nannynick I was smiling to myself just now as you helped me with loads of advice when I was recruiting nanny now giving advice on how to get rid...u r a star.

Really thank you everyone who has helped to get this clear as light for me. I'm sorry it has annoyed some ppl but I guess thats just the way of the world.

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imananny · 12/04/2008 17:25

legally PP would have to pay as i dont think you can sue the nanny/fire for misconduct BECAUSE the dh was there and he DIDNT SAY ANYTHING while the behaviur was happening iyswim

BabyBaby123 · 12/04/2008 17:25

i agree with the last two posts. i would not, under any circumstances be paying him. he has been abusing your child and you are paying him?? and you are concerned about his feelings?? you have a duty to ensure your own child's safety and you should also be trying to ensure the safety of other children by doing your best to make sure he doesn't work with children again.

NotABanana · 12/04/2008 17:18

Me too, barnstaple.

I wouldn't be protecting the nanny's feelings or paying them either.

barnstaple · 12/04/2008 17:11

Blimey, if my child was terrified of the nanny and I sacked him/her I wouldn't be writing made up excuses as to why. I'd be writing that their services are no longer required as my chilld is terrified of them. And I would put it in references too, though that might be illegal, so I would tell nanny that a reference will not be forthcoming.

uptomyeyes · 12/04/2008 17:03

Good luck pp. i had a similar situation but with a CM earlier in the year. The DC are all fine now, but it took me a while to realise what was going on. I raised my concerns with the CM - and he sacked us! Absolute blessing in disguise in the end. We have a lovely nanny now and I can't tell you the relief I feel.

imananny · 12/04/2008 17:01

well men are useless apart from nick - he is a godsend with his information about everything - but the average man doesnt see things the way a woman does

dont worry about it anymore PP, there is nothing you can do about wht has happened and you are changing the situation and sure your youngest will be a much happier child

Possiblyparanoid · 12/04/2008 16:59

yes less than a year

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llareggub · 12/04/2008 16:58

You need to give written reasons for dismissal.

How long has he worked for you, out of interest? If less than a year don't worry too much about process etc.

Possiblyparanoid · 12/04/2008 16:52

Because hubby only just told me when I told him I was worried about the baby and the nanny. Not making excuses for hubby but he is from a very differnt culture where children are generally very disciplined, that said it did bother him but he was not sure what to say at the time, and basically didn't tell me until y'day.

Nanny is 23.

Ok will call him then write.

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nannynick · 12/04/2008 16:45

Call to inform him that his services are no longer required. Try to avoid going into detail. Tell him that you will be paying him in lieu of notice and have calculated what holiday is owed.
Write to him formally, outlining the above, giving date that the contract terminates. This letter can then be used for social security purposes should he need to claim job seekers allowance etc.
I think in doing this, you are effectively making him redundant - so you could give a reason such as your childcare requirements have changed. However, in saying that, you will need to stick with that for any written reference - though a written reference can just state facts, such as dates worked, that the employee was never late for work, that kind of thing.

imananny · 12/04/2008 16:45

i would ring as otherwise he will turn up on monday

so ring, explain thay you are letting him go and that you will send a month wages in post

NotABanana · 12/04/2008 16:45

Just curious, how old is the nanny?

NotABanana · 12/04/2008 16:44

I didn't realise it was 3 in the morning.

If it happened a week ago why have you only just found out?

Possiblyparanoid · 12/04/2008 16:38

Yes think he will go back to this sort of thing at some time tho as his studies were child related.

Thank you so much to those of you helping me on this - I guess sometimes you just need reassurance that you're thoughts are right.

Ok going to get the contract now and sort out the money, should I just write to the nanny (my mother thought it should be kept formal) or call him to say no longer needed, cheq in post etc?

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LilyMunster · 12/04/2008 16:33

sounds like the nanny in question deciding on a change of career is a good idea, eh?

imananny · 12/04/2008 16:31

right, glad we got that sorted

{gives pen to PP to write cheq for notice payment)

im glad you have decided to let nanny go

Possiblyparanoid · 12/04/2008 16:30

hubby said it happened last Saturday morning, so a week ago.

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Possiblyparanoid · 12/04/2008 16:29

By NotABanana on Sat 12-Apr-08 16:23:32
No one has a problem with you asking for help.

I guess we are all amazed that you haven't sacked him immediately and seem more bothered about protecting yourself from legal preceedings than the well being of your child.

Not a Banana as I have said I have only just found out about it!!! I'm not sure y ur AMAZED, I could hardly phone and sack the nanny at 3 in the morning!

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