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Honest opinions please - Wrap around for year R kids?

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pinkfones · 12/12/2023 15:59

So I'm currently on Mat leave with DC2, due back early next year.

DC1 starts school in September and I'm supposed to be working 4 days a week when I return.

I can't help but think I should cut my hours and in turn my level of responsibility to be more present for my DC.

Honestly do year R kids struggle with wrap around? I know people would argue working full days gives you a better work/life balance and time to yourself at work etc, but honestly what's best for the child?

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sweetpeasandtea · 12/12/2023 19:58

Both my DC did wraparound care from reception 4 days a week, they enjoyed it - would often get annoyed at having to leave when I turned up especially on the occasional day I managed to get away from work early 😂. But it was at a prep school and designed for working parents so the days were longer anyway, lots of other children did before & after school, there was plenty of food provided (full English breakfast everyday at breakfast club - they didn't get that at home) and loads of different activities they could do after school.

So I think it depends a lot on both your DC and the wraparound care provided by the school - I think the quality can vary quite a lot which obviously has an impact on how the DC find it and whether they benefit from it or not.

Parker231 · 12/12/2023 19:55

PTSDBarbiegirl · 12/12/2023 19:49

I honestly believe they do struggle, too long a day without a parent being there. I know that's unavoidable for some but it seems to stack up later on, it's just too much too young. They need to have as much time with a parent as possible to feel certainty and feel secure. My kids went and it was a disaster at times, I'd never repeat that. You can't get the time back.

Why would they not feel secure by going to breakfast and after school clubs? DT’s loved having breakfast with friends, extra football games and built in play dates after school.

SgtJuneAckland · 12/12/2023 19:53

I felt this guilt, went to pick DS up early one night from ASC , he cried because he loves ASC and didn't want to go home. He goes twice a week now, on the third day he does an activity instead with a provider who goes to the school. ASC seems to be playing, snack and then they put cbeebies on the smart board at 5. We usually pick up around 5 but it's open until 5:45 and there are other children there.

Parker231 · 12/12/2023 19:53

pinkfones · 12/12/2023 19:39

As much as I'd love this to be the case my husbands line of work doesn't allow for this. It's very standard working hours, well actually quite long ones sometimes 8-6.

He earns decent money, well, decent enough anyway and may well go up to 60k in a couple of years so I guess there would be the option financially for me to step back..

What does he do that means he can’t apply for flexible working - the legislation is there for these situations.

Gymmum82 · 12/12/2023 19:51

Mine absolutely loved going to ASC at that age. It was more time to play with their friends. They were never affected by tiredness. Now they are older. Y3 &5 they hate it and want to be at home. Different kids want different things

Blondeshavemorefun · 12/12/2023 19:51

Reception kids are allowed at our asc

I would look at a cm. As she can then have him in holidays as well

What will you do for childcare for school holidays

2 long and 2 short sound good

Assume 5th day you don't work so can do school pick up

JassyRadlett · 12/12/2023 19:49

You'd be surprised how many of those inflexible 8-6, 5 days a week Important Man Jobs actually have quite a bit of flexibility...

DH aAnd I have both worked a compressed week since the kids were small. It now means we have an afternoon off each and do school pickups those days, after school club the rest, which has been a good balance since Reception. DS1 did 4 days in YR which was also ok - they adapt and a lot of schools take the after school club kids out before the other kids get picked up by their parents.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 12/12/2023 19:49

I honestly believe they do struggle, too long a day without a parent being there. I know that's unavoidable for some but it seems to stack up later on, it's just too much too young. They need to have as much time with a parent as possible to feel certainty and feel secure. My kids went and it was a disaster at times, I'd never repeat that. You can't get the time back.

Parker231 · 12/12/2023 19:49

DT’s (summer born) started full time nursery at six months and when they started school (didn’t do a staggered start), they went to breakfast and after school club five days a week. No problems at all - extra play time with their friends and lots of complaints if we collected them early and interrupted their games.

pinkfones · 12/12/2023 19:47

Lilacdressinggown · 12/12/2023 19:44

TA here. Yes they do get very very tired and After-School Club can often be too much in Reception. Before-School Club is usually fine though, in fact they often are more accepting of being dropped off for Before-School Club than they are for regular morning drop off time.

That's interesting, thanks.

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Lilacdressinggown · 12/12/2023 19:44

TA here. Yes they do get very very tired and After-School Club can often be too much in Reception. Before-School Club is usually fine though, in fact they often are more accepting of being dropped off for Before-School Club than they are for regular morning drop off time.

Whattodo112222 · 12/12/2023 19:43

I work from home two days a week to enable me to do the school runs. The three other days DD is in breakfast and after school clubs. She's perfectly fine. I know for me personally i wouldn't want a working arrangement that didn't permit to do the school runs at least once a week. I work 9 to 3 on my wfh days and do longer hours in the week.

Moveoverdarlin · 12/12/2023 19:42

I would cut your hours. My DD started in September just gone. She found it very tiring. Her school won’t let reception pupils attend after school club, as they say it’s too long a day for them. It starts from Y1.

Soontobe60 · 12/12/2023 19:40

My GS loves before and after school clubs - he likes to play with the ‘big boys’ 😂

pinkfones · 12/12/2023 19:39

Ascubudr · 12/12/2023 18:22

Do you have a partner ? If so please don't allow yourself after 2 maternity leaves to become the default parent. IMO now is the time to stand firm about them also applying for flexible working if you both finish early once a week and you keep your day off, then your Dd only has to go twice which I think is much more managble than 4 times. I would advise if at all possible for it to be tuesday and thursday so she never has to do more than one day in a row.

Apologies if you are a single parwnt this is obviously not possible.

As much as I'd love this to be the case my husbands line of work doesn't allow for this. It's very standard working hours, well actually quite long ones sometimes 8-6.

He earns decent money, well, decent enough anyway and may well go up to 60k in a couple of years so I guess there would be the option financially for me to step back..

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ColleenDonaghy · 12/12/2023 19:38

Thinking a little more - what's just as useful for us as picking her up on set days is that we have very flexible jobs. So we can go to all events (one of us at least), help with the odd trip etc.

ColleenDonaghy · 12/12/2023 19:37

Depends on the child, depends on the wraparound. We have a great after school club run by the same people who run her nursery, so she knows loads of kids there.

We were able to flex our hours, so we each finish in time to pick up one day and then work late the day the other finishes early. I'm glad we do that as I do think she benefits from us being at school, helps with tiredness, and also gives us some time to get homework done which can be a challenge otherwise.

But you'll be there one day anyway. If you can swing more then great but I wouldn't be compromising your finances or ambition for it.

pinkfones · 12/12/2023 19:32

I'm tempted to try and do 2 short days, 2 long days - but I can see it being hard work when it comes to having time off for summer holidays etc! And not even sure my employer would agree it. I work in finance and I earn an average salary.

So conflicted, part of me wants to step back a bit, part of me doesn't, part of me wouldn't mind being a SAHM for a few years although I'm sure the reality isn't always as fun as it sounds..

I just know when I was a kid my mum was a SAHM and she was always there, every drop off, ever pick up, every school event, every sick day, all the school holidays - I loved having my mum always there no matter what. I don't know why I'm struggling so much with this!

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Blondeshavemorefun · 12/12/2023 19:16

It's nice to be able to pick up at least once a week so get to see the other parents a chat to teacher if any issues /have a play date etx

What are you considering doing

Working at home and finishing at 3 every day so all pick ups

Cutting down hours some days

Giving up work

mynameiscalypso · 12/12/2023 18:30

After school club would be too much for my summer born Reception child. He did full days (8-6) at nursery last year but he's shattered by school. I work two short days to pick him up and then we have an after school nanny for the other days which has worked well for us. It's more expensive but cheaper than going part time. He doesn't go to breakfast club but I would be happy to send him. It's more the afternoon when he desperately needs downtime at home - this afternoon he even had a nap!

Ascubudr · 12/12/2023 18:22

Do you have a partner ? If so please don't allow yourself after 2 maternity leaves to become the default parent. IMO now is the time to stand firm about them also applying for flexible working if you both finish early once a week and you keep your day off, then your Dd only has to go twice which I think is much more managble than 4 times. I would advise if at all possible for it to be tuesday and thursday so she never has to do more than one day in a row.

Apologies if you are a single parwnt this is obviously not possible.

museumum · 12/12/2023 18:10

In Scotland do p1 (6 months older than YR) and my boy loved after school club. He really needed to run about outside and our club was all about that. To be honest if I’d picked him up I’d have struggled to go to the park every day for as long as he needed.

FestiveFrederica · 12/12/2023 17:03

It depends on the child, but my younger one did two days a week at ASC in Reception no problem. He did have his big sister there though which I think made a difference. I wouldn't have liked mine going five days a week tbh, so if you can easily afford it, I'd reduce hours. I've reduced mine recently too for similar reasons you want to. No regrets and it hasn't made a huge difference to salary after tax etc

AuntMarch · 12/12/2023 16:57

My reception child started going after half term when I changed jobs. I didnt have to take him to breakfast club today as I had the morning off for his nativity - he complained!
It took him a few weeks to feel confident at school, so I'm glad I didn't have to put him in right away, but if he'd been doing long nursery days and knew other children in wrap around, it would probably have been fine. I think it depends on the child and the circumstances.
And sometimes it's just unavoidable!

FoxtrotSkarloey · 12/12/2023 16:51

I have flexed my schedule (still FT hours) so I don't use wraparound one morning and one afternoon. Partly for DC's benefit and mainly because I wanted to. I had the sylvan image in my head of a nice chat, doing an activity or something.

I reality, the variation to the schedule caused confusion in the early days, rarely ended up as beautiful as I'd imaged, and these days I get moaned at because he'd rather be at the wraparound. He's a summer baby and he's been preferring it to be since last Easter when he was 4y9m. I try not to take it personally...

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