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In shock after visit to childminders

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luw7797 · 13/11/2023 12:03

Just posting this cause I need a rant really but I just can’t believe what happened when my partner and I visited a childminders this morning! My DD is 10 months and we have decided to send her to a childminders two days a week as I’m doing a degree. We went for a look around at one that my friends little girl attends this morning. The lady seemed nice but she had a dog which actually tried to BITE my child. The dog was in the playroom with all the children and so I assumed it would be fine to let DD crawl up to it, she didn’t hit it or anything just put her hand out towards it and it snapped and had her hand in its mouth. The skin isn’t broken but there are marks, I can’t be 100% sure whether they are from the dog but I’m going to call the gp when DD wakes up from her nap. The dog then went on to growl at the other children so clearly it must do this all day long. I just can’t believe this woman keeps the dog around the children when it clearly doesn’t like it and one day it’s going to really hurt a child! She didn’t do anything when the dog went for DD, she just said oh did she fall on the dog and I said no the dog snapped at her and she didn’t say anything.

There were also about a million choking hazards floating round the place! Tiny little parts of toys here there and everywhere. You’d think a childcare setting that takes on children as young as 6 months would be careful to remove choking hazards surely?

I just can’t believe it, it’s really shaken me and made me question whether childcare is the right route to go or if I should drop out of my degree until DD is older. This was the first childminder weve visited so hopefully the next one is very different.

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luw7797 · 13/11/2023 16:47

@Actually444 yes we’ve received a childcare grant and gov will pay 85% of childcare fees 🥳 Thank you for mentioning though as others on the thread may not know

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luw7797 · 13/11/2023 16:44

Hi all, yes I agree that if the dog actually wanted to bite DD she would have come out of it much worse, but the fact remains that it snapped at her and was growling at other children, I can’t see in what world that is ok in a space where children should be looked after and protected.

I also realise phoning the gp was a bit of an overreaction! I was just a bit het up when I saw there were marks so I thought better safe than sorry. They were just small red marks so that’s why I wasnt 100% sure if they were from the dog or just general playing.

Ive not been put off childcare completely, I will keep looking. I ideally would like to be a SAHM so I wasnt the biggest fan of using childcare in the first place and then this sent me into a bit of a spiral but I definitely appreciate that it’s daft to abandon the idea completely based on one bad experience. My university unfortunately doesn’t have a nursery and even if it did I don’t think I’d use it as my house is 45 minutes drive away and DD hates the car. I would much rather find her childcare more local to me.

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Katbum · 13/11/2023 16:42

Any dog can bite. Anyone who says ‘not my dog’ is a moron who should not have dogs. I have a dog, have had dogs all my life of all different temperaments and would never leave any child unsupervised around a dog. I certainly wouldn’t consider a childminder who had dogs as it’s just too much risk.

Squirrelsbite · 13/11/2023 16:32

So you would rather have childcare with a potentially dangerous dog and choking hazards than find a decent one @begaydocrime42

clowningaround6 · 13/11/2023 16:09

begaydocrime42 · 13/11/2023 15:59

Yeah that's not good but why report to Ofsted? You only saw a few minutes of one day, you don't have the full picture. The report could easily get her closed down, no wonder people are leaving the profession and it's a nightmare to get childcare anymore.

Why report? Have you read the thread. It's dangerous and she should report to protect the other children before an accident happens.

clowningaround6 · 13/11/2023 16:07

Motomum23 · 13/11/2023 13:36

I'm a childminder - the small parts wouldn't bother me - I'm always on the ball when little ones are going through the things in mouth stage but the dog snapping at a baby is a huge issue. If the dog isn't one of these incredibly docile beings that can take abuse from little kids they shouldn't be around minded children imo. And no I'm not suggesting children should not be taught to respect a dogs space and boundaries before anyone jumps on me

Your a childminder and the small parts lying around wouldn't bother you. Wow.,, just wow. How do these childminders get away with it. Scares me just thinking about it.

TheGreatestAtuin · 13/11/2023 16:07

I should add I'm a dog lover and we have a dog - my children have been around family dogs from an early age and taught how to behave around dogs. But even so I would not ever have sent my children to a childminder that had a dog around the children. It's not worth the risk IMO.

baileybrosbuildingandloan · 13/11/2023 16:06

My daughter was actually bitten by a childminder's dog as a baby and absolutely nothing happened to the CM whatsoever. I, on the other hand, had to find a new childminder to protect my daughter.

TheGreatestAtuin · 13/11/2023 16:05

Oh gosh, that's dreadful. I sent my DS to a childminder who had a dog, but the dog was kept separate from the children, unless the CM was directly supervising interactions, and absolutely not allowed in the playroom. She used gates/fencing to keep the children and the dog separate. Even the calmest dog in the world can have a moment and lash out, it's totally irresponsible to have a dog in a playroom in a childcare environment.

MollyRover · 13/11/2023 16:02

begaydocrime42 · 13/11/2023 15:59

Yeah that's not good but why report to Ofsted? You only saw a few minutes of one day, you don't have the full picture. The report could easily get her closed down, no wonder people are leaving the profession and it's a nightmare to get childcare anymore.

If a report could easily get her closed down then she should be closed down, don't you think??

clowningaround6 · 13/11/2023 16:00

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Ahh that's okay the if it didn't actually bite the child's hand 🙄 are you for real??

"YOU should know better than to let your baby crawl up to a sleeping/resting dog. Dogs, like humans, will react when being startled awake*"
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What planet do you live on? It's a childminder obvious the children are going to be crawling and walking around. The dog should not be around the children. End of.

begaydocrime42 · 13/11/2023 15:59

Yeah that's not good but why report to Ofsted? You only saw a few minutes of one day, you don't have the full picture. The report could easily get her closed down, no wonder people are leaving the profession and it's a nightmare to get childcare anymore.

clowningaround6 · 13/11/2023 15:57

I checked out a few childminders before settling for a nursery. One of the child minders were left alone in the front garden alone, no lock on the gate on a busy road, it totally put me off childminders.

Please report this one to ofstead

Bournetilly · 13/11/2023 15:56

Glad you have reported her. Dont drop out of your degree, this is just exceptionally bad.
Could you look at nursery’s instead? I prefer the nursery setting to a childminder. But there will be a lot of good childminders out there.

Hickry · 13/11/2023 15:54

This is terrible op.

Report the childminder to Ofsted and then look at other options. Don't let it put you off childcare completely.

There are good and bad childminders.
There are good and bad nurseries.
There are also excellent childminders and excellent nurseries. They just take a bit of finding!

I used to be a childminder and would always advise parents to look around as many local options as possible, both nurseries and childminders. They are all so different!

PhoebeMcPeePee · 13/11/2023 15:54

Dogs do not belong in a childcare setting although as childminder’s are in homes they can have dogs but need to clearly demonstrate if/when/how they interact with the children and I wouldn’t consider anywhere unless I was confident a dog was contained separately. Small parts of course are a choking hazard and you can’t physically watch the mouths of multiple crawling children so I too would be concerned about small parts. crafts/small part activities can done at the table using trays so no chance of little bits going on the floor for crawlers to ingest - it’s really not rocket science!

please don’t let this thread put you off childminders or tar all with the same brush. I was a CM for 10 years and if I say so myself a bloody good one and cared for every child as if they were my own and horrified to read your experience. You might have to Visit a few but it’s a bit like wedding dress shopping - when you find ‘the one’, you’ll know.

Sallyh87 · 13/11/2023 15:42

I am a big fan of my nursery as there are so many professionals in the room. Granted it’s very expensive. I would never personally use a childminder and certainly not one I had any doubts about.

TheSquareMile · 13/11/2023 15:42

Does your University offer any childcare facilities?

Actually444 · 13/11/2023 15:29

Actually444 · 13/11/2023 15:27

I'm sorry that is absolutely awful! I just wanted to comment in case you didn't know, that you recieve financial support from gov if you're studying for childcare. Last time I checked it was 80% of fees. Apologies if that's already been mentioned or you already know, but it's worth knowing so you can explore your options!

Sorry that was meant to say you get support for childcare if you're studying. Not if you're studying childcare

chillin12 · 13/11/2023 15:28

How awful! Why the hell are some posters hellbent on defending the dog?!?!? The kids’ health and safety should be priority here.

Actually444 · 13/11/2023 15:27

I'm sorry that is absolutely awful! I just wanted to comment in case you didn't know, that you recieve financial support from gov if you're studying for childcare. Last time I checked it was 80% of fees. Apologies if that's already been mentioned or you already know, but it's worth knowing so you can explore your options!

nanny72 · 13/11/2023 15:26

Gosh this is shocking, def did right thing in reporting this whole thing.

Mischance · 13/11/2023 15:24

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Ah .... never the dog's fault but the fault of a 10 month old!

Lord above. So glad you have reported this.

MariaVT65 · 13/11/2023 15:23

I’m not surprised you feel this way. Tbh i’ve had 2 bad childminders. One of them had a dog with no issues, other one had a cat that badly scratched my son’s face. This is just the tip of lots of other issues.

Take recommendations with a pinch of salt. Sometimes it will be friends rather than actual clients they’ve had before. I’m also glad you’ve reported to ofsted, their inspection process for childminders also isn’t very thorough at all.

We’ve personally had much better experience since changing our son to nursery.

Islandparadise · 13/11/2023 15:18

Report! It sounds like there’s an accident waiting to happen imminently.

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