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Teacakeorcrumpet · 25/05/2023 08:32

I found out yesterday our nanny has organised for eldest DC's new friend to come to our house for 2 full days next week. We employ our nanny 45hrs a week to care for DC aged 8, 5 and 2. As far as I can tell the nanny has invited this friend directly speaking to the child's parent without consulting me and apparently they will be arriving at 8.30am on Monday morning for the full day and the same on Tuesday.

Parents of the child have not contacted me at all about this. I'm not comfortable at all. The child is in the same school class as my eldest but has never been to our house before and I've only spoken to the parents once or twice.

I feel like I'm being used as free childcare for 2 days and the parents haven't even had the decency to check with me that this is OK or offer to share costs.

The nanny is planning to take them on a day trip on Monday so I'll have the extra cost of petrol, lunch out and giving this child dinner when they get back. On Tuesday they're going to an adventure park for the day and again I feel like I'm expected to cover all costs without being asked. Feels like total CF behaviour.

Not even sure why I'm posting other than to vent and see if anyone else's nanny ever puts them in such an awkward position! This is the latest in a string of small annoyances and I'm thinking its time for the nanny to move elsewhere. Youngest DC will be at nursery in Sept anyway so we will only need after school care then. Would I be unreasonable to give her notice that we don't need her for Sept onwards?

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Prettypaisleyslippers · 25/05/2023 11:08

Just say no.

I had a nanny try to do this, to effectively use my house as a base for childminding a much younger child in my home. I said no, she’s employees to look after my DC and that my home wasn’t baby proofed. Turns out the other parent had been told that I was fine with it! I hadn’t been asked and found out by chance

PurpleBugz · 25/05/2023 10:57

I used to be a nanny.

If she's employed then you should have been asked and are within your rights to ask her not to do it. She may well be getting paid but she may also just be trying to facilitate a play date.

If she's self employed and you don't pay her tax then she can do this and even be paid by the other family however she should get your permission if the child is coming to your house so she should pick the other child up on the way to the outing.

YukoandHiro · 25/05/2023 10:53

Tell the nanny she needs to sort out separate insurance for this as it's not covered by yours and you're taking no personal responsibility as the parents haven't even discussed it with you.
What a bunch of cheeky fuckers! Both the nanny and the parents.

Shinyandnew1 · 25/05/2023 10:45

Teacakeorcrumpet · 25/05/2023 10:38

I found out because the nanny told me that she'd invited 8yo DC's friend to come with them on their days out next week. But she didn't check with me first and this isn't a close friend of DC, just someone in her class who has never been on a playdate with my DC before.

The other parents run a local business and I know their DC often goes there after school to wait for them. As far as I knowthey don't have wraparound or holiday care organised. I'd be surprised if they were paying her, but if they are then basically the nanny is going to be profiting at my expense by taking extra money on top of her usual pay and giving my DC less attention in the process.

I also don't know the friend and no idea what she's like behaviour wise. She might be a total liability and now I'm indirectly responsible for her care for 2 days. My employers insurance only covers my own DC. What if the friend gets hurt or goes off by herself when they're out? I get that it might make it easier for the 2 8yos to entertain each other but also it increases the risks.of them messing about or taking risks.

Did you say any of this to your nanny at the time? It would be a no from me.

Teacakeorcrumpet · 25/05/2023 10:38

I found out because the nanny told me that she'd invited 8yo DC's friend to come with them on their days out next week. But she didn't check with me first and this isn't a close friend of DC, just someone in her class who has never been on a playdate with my DC before.

The other parents run a local business and I know their DC often goes there after school to wait for them. As far as I knowthey don't have wraparound or holiday care organised. I'd be surprised if they were paying her, but if they are then basically the nanny is going to be profiting at my expense by taking extra money on top of her usual pay and giving my DC less attention in the process.

I also don't know the friend and no idea what she's like behaviour wise. She might be a total liability and now I'm indirectly responsible for her care for 2 days. My employers insurance only covers my own DC. What if the friend gets hurt or goes off by herself when they're out? I get that it might make it easier for the 2 8yos to entertain each other but also it increases the risks.of them messing about or taking risks.

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BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 25/05/2023 09:21

EggInANest · 25/05/2023 08:54

There is no way I would be happy for my Nanny to have responsibility for 5 kids on a trip out / adventure park, especially when the youngest is only 2!

Just tell your Nanny that you do not agree to her looking after other kids or doing childcare for others while she has responsibility for your children.

4 kids.

FlounderingFruitcake · 25/05/2023 09:17

I would have a word with the nanny about making plans without consulting you first because she massively overstepped. However, additional 8 year old might actually make the adventure park easier as your eldest will be entertained and they can probably go on rides together without an adult leaving the nanny to focus on the younger 2. Just don’t be shy about asking the parents to transfer you the cost of the ticket and to provide a packed lunch and/or spending money. I don’t see how Monday can possibly cost you extra petrol and is an extra child portion of dinner really significant, especially given you’d hope the other family will reciprocate at some point. Again, it’ll be fun company for the older one so the nanny will have more attention for the youngest. I’d let it go this time but would definitely speak to the nanny. Don’t give her notice though, you risk getting screwed over the summer holidays if she leaves early for another job.

FlickFlackTrap · 25/05/2023 09:13

TheCreamTeaWasFromMe · 25/05/2023 09:10

Tell your nanny and be upfront.

I've heard that you have apparently made arrangements for X to come here so that you can look after him. I am not happy about this and you need to cancel these plans, as our agreement is that during your working hours with me you are only looking after my children. If you want to look after other people's children during your working hours with me, then you need to OK it with me first - but unless there is a really good reason for you asking, I will most likely say no.

This.

If she is looking after another child then you can renegotiate costs. Is there insurance for this and them being in your house if there’s an accident?

You need to tell her it can’t happen and her response will tell you what you should do come September.

TheCreamTeaWasFromMe · 25/05/2023 09:10

Tell your nanny and be upfront.

I've heard that you have apparently made arrangements for X to come here so that you can look after him. I am not happy about this and you need to cancel these plans, as our agreement is that during your working hours with me you are only looking after my children. If you want to look after other people's children during your working hours with me, then you need to OK it with me first - but unless there is a really good reason for you asking, I will most likely say no.

BrokenLink · 25/05/2023 09:09

If the invited child is a friend of your DC, surely they have been invited so your DC can socialise and have more fun? I would personally encourage this because children need to develop friendships, and sharing days out would be the perfect way to do this.

Additionally, the other child's family may reciprocate by inviting your child.

Have you asked your DC what they think of the arrangement? Maybe the children thought it up between them and your nanny facilitated it for them.

I am surprised by how many people think this is unreasonable.

Fiddlerdragon · 25/05/2023 09:09

Wtf? I think you need to point out to your nanny that she’s literally at work. You’re paying her to look after your children, not someone else’s! She doesn’t get to invite her mates kids round

SomeNights · 25/05/2023 09:08

The extra child might actually make an adventure park easier, logistically. I'd be more comfortable with two eight year olds on rides together without me than one eight year old alone, and otherwise eight year old can only go on rides suitable for the youngest which is a bit rubbish for them.

Busybutbored · 25/05/2023 09:03

standardduck · 25/05/2023 08:57

YANBU. How did you find out? I would not be okay with this, especially as she will have to look after 5 kids in an adventure park.

This would be my concern!!

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 25/05/2023 09:02

Why are you assuming you will be paying additional costs? Surely the fuel is the same regardless, and for all you know Nanny is receiving the child's entry fee from the other parent.

And why would you have to feed the child?

EggInANest · 25/05/2023 09:02

Oh, sorry, I think that takes the total to 4 kids.

But I still wouldn’t be happy. Especially not with a 2 year old in the mix.

Is she an experienced Nanny? As in has taken on other long term jobs before? Surely she knows this is not ok without asking you?

For me, it’s not the money, it’s the spreading more thinly the responsibility she can take for each child. And the principle of you paying for childcare for two days for friend’s parents!

standardduck · 25/05/2023 08:59

Sorry typo, 4 kids. Still would be a no from me.

Just tell her you are not comfortable with that and to cancel. I doubt the other family is not paying her extra tbh.

standardduck · 25/05/2023 08:57

YANBU. How did you find out? I would not be okay with this, especially as she will have to look after 5 kids in an adventure park.

EggInANest · 25/05/2023 08:54

There is no way I would be happy for my Nanny to have responsibility for 5 kids on a trip out / adventure park, especially when the youngest is only 2!

Just tell your Nanny that you do not agree to her looking after other kids or doing childcare for others while she has responsibility for your children.

SlipSlidinAway · 25/05/2023 08:54

Are you certain you will be expected to cover additional costs?

It's one thing for the other parents to feel it's okay for your nanny to look after one extra child for no cost for a couple of days (it's not) but ludicrous for them to not expect to have to cover the cost of outings.

But I also would be unhappy with one adult taking 4 young children out and about.

WimpoleHat · 25/05/2023 08:54

The other thing I’d add is that, as a parent, I’ve noticed that different nannies have different relationships/arrangements with the families they work for. My children have sometimes been directly invited by the nanny, other times it’s by the mother who’ll then say “my nanny will be looking after them”. So the parents may not have thought it necessary to speak to you directly if they thought your nanny had the autonomy to do that. (Mind you - I hate to say it - but I bet the pp upthread is right that they’ve offered her cash in hand and nobody has thought through the fact that everyone is essentially ripping you off royally in the process…..)

Ithappenedaswell · 25/05/2023 08:54

You don’t have to give extra money just give for your own dc for the days out !

MsFogi · 25/05/2023 08:52

Whilst she may not be being paid 'officially' I suspect your nanny will be expecting a nice gift/a token about to 'happen' to be given her to her after the couple of days. I would not be happy about this at all - play dates for a few hours yes but her unilaterally organising to take another child for two full days and for you to foot the bill for costs associate with this is ridiculous.

Whinge · 25/05/2023 08:50

the parents haven't even had the decency to check with me that this is OK or offer to share costs.

Do the other parents actually know that you were unaware about the arrangement? If the nanny has invited the child (as per your OP) then they may have assumed you knew, and the nanny could have discussed additional costs etc with them. They may have already given her money for their child to attend the days out, or she may have told them not to worry.

WimpoleHat · 25/05/2023 08:48

I didn’t think about the other family paying her…..! The theme park thing is a decent get out, actually - as I’m not sure I’d be happy with only one adult and four kids in that scenario. Odd number makes it difficult on rides, for example - and many require an adult to go on too. I think you could quite easily get away with a “not comfortable to take on that sort of responsibility” approach. As others have said, it’s a different kettle of fish from a play date one afternoon.

NashvilleQueen · 25/05/2023 08:47

Sorry you AIBU was about giving notice. It's harder to cope with wrap around care at school but it sounds like your relationship is probably at an end so if tell her she finished after the summer hols