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Travelling with nanny

56 replies

jmap81 · 14/01/2023 22:04

I am planning on taking my nanny to a work meeting. We would be in an apartment and I would do overnights, bedtime etc. she would need to then babysit while I go for dinner with colleagues. But would be off duty overnight. Obviously I need to pay her babysitting hours and I am guessing something for the inconvenience for being away from home. This is UK travel. Does anyone have any experience of this?

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Marblessolveeverything · 17/01/2023 15:14

I am very surprised that a rate and agreed calculation formula was not agreed on signing. As an employer it may put you in a precarious position as there is nothing set out in the contract and as can be seen from the posts here there is no established sector practice.

mathanxiety · 17/01/2023 15:03

Time and a half is what my friend used to pay her nanny for travel hours.

Travel hours included the nights.

So 150% of the hourly rate for every hour, 24 hours daily for however long the trip lasted.

'Trip duration' was defined as time of arrival in the morning at the house with bag packed to time of return at the house, rounded to nearest hour.

monitor1 · 17/01/2023 14:43

yes but the OP wants to pay 'something for the inconvenience' which rather makes it sound like a trivial amount, and resents doing so as she works overtime for free.

Everydayitsgettingcloser · 17/01/2023 14:35

monitor1 · 17/01/2023 14:28

The nanny can't see family, go to any classes she usually goes to, socialise with friends, sort out her children (if she has any), get chores done at home etc etc. It's not a holiday for her.

No one said it was a holiday.

Everyone on this thread agrees she should be paid something extra because of this - it's just the exact amount that is in question.

monitor1 · 17/01/2023 14:28

Everydayitsgettingcloser · 17/01/2023 08:38

I agree you should offer something for the inconvenience of being away from home on top of the hours she will actually be working - but given the nanny won't be on duty overnight, half an hourly rate overnight feels quite high and I don't get the logic of it being linked to overnight if the nanny isn't actually in charge overnight.

At that point, it might work out better just to leave the child and nanny at home especially if you would be paying extra for an apartment but work would pay for a hotel room for you.

The nanny can't see family, go to any classes she usually goes to, socialise with friends, sort out her children (if she has any), get chores done at home etc etc. It's not a holiday for her.

Everydayitsgettingcloser · 17/01/2023 08:38

I agree you should offer something for the inconvenience of being away from home on top of the hours she will actually be working - but given the nanny won't be on duty overnight, half an hourly rate overnight feels quite high and I don't get the logic of it being linked to overnight if the nanny isn't actually in charge overnight.

At that point, it might work out better just to leave the child and nanny at home especially if you would be paying extra for an apartment but work would pay for a hotel room for you.

monitor1 · 17/01/2023 07:11

The contract should have stated pay for travel so you're now in a bit of a problem because the nanny can ask for whatever she wants!

Mariposista · 16/01/2023 22:24

Ar you a single parent? If not why can't the children stay at home with the other parent and the nanny?
Otherwise yes, you need to pay her the 24 hour rate. She is never really 'off' as she can't go out and do whatever she normally does.

NuffSaidSam · 16/01/2023 22:20

jclm · 16/01/2023 21:48

Shocked at some of the responses... When working away, usually you would pay the nanny for the hours she has worked plus a bonus rate of perhaps £75 a night for the inconvenience of working away. This is very different from paying a nanny for all the hours she is away from home, given she is not working at night time, for instance.

Not all nanny employers are wealthy. Some hire a nanny because they are a single mum or because they have a disabled child...

This is going to sound harsh, but ultimately that's not really the nanny's problem. She's doing a job where she gets paid by the hour, if she's away with work for 24 hours, then she needs to be paid for 24 hours. A nanny is working to pay their bills like everyone else, not running a charity.

That said, I agree that it's not normally full hourly rate for 24 hours (half rate while sleeping, usually). But every hour would need to be paid.

user1477249785 · 16/01/2023 21:57

I pay hours worked -including overtime at time and a half if required - and then £50 extra per day.

Clymene · 16/01/2023 21:55

jclm · 16/01/2023 21:48

Shocked at some of the responses... When working away, usually you would pay the nanny for the hours she has worked plus a bonus rate of perhaps £75 a night for the inconvenience of working away. This is very different from paying a nanny for all the hours she is away from home, given she is not working at night time, for instance.

Not all nanny employers are wealthy. Some hire a nanny because they are a single mum or because they have a disabled child...

No, not all nanny employers are high earners. But people who are expected to travel regularly for their jobs tend to be. And it's fair to pay the nanny for the hours she works plus an overnight inconvenience fee. £75 as a pp suggested seems about right.

Incidentally, you can be a high earner and a single parent. And have a disabled child for that matter!

jclm · 16/01/2023 21:48

Shocked at some of the responses... When working away, usually you would pay the nanny for the hours she has worked plus a bonus rate of perhaps £75 a night for the inconvenience of working away. This is very different from paying a nanny for all the hours she is away from home, given she is not working at night time, for instance.

Not all nanny employers are wealthy. Some hire a nanny because they are a single mum or because they have a disabled child...

Blondeshavemorefun · 16/01/2023 21:42

Sorry it’s in the contract she travels

but yes payment is needed

nannies live out are usually 11/12hrs a day and mon to Fri

so anything else away from home evening or overnight or weekends needs to be paid

Sherrystrull · 16/01/2023 21:42

What hours will she be working? Will she get any breaks during the day/evening?

Blondeshavemorefun · 16/01/2023 21:39

Yes you really need to pay her a 24hr rate

she is away from home, can’t go out in evenings etc

how long is trip and is it in the contract she might have to go away with you , away from friends and family etc

HappyNewYear2023 · 16/01/2023 20:10

We get paid for each hour we are away and then a sleep in allowance from midnight to 7am of £45 in total.

It's not okay not to pay someone for all the hours they work. It's not her problem that you are okay to work for free.

monitor1 · 16/01/2023 20:05

jmap81 · 16/01/2023 18:53

Hi all, yes the nanny did agree to this. I would not have hired her otherwise as I expect a bit of travelling with work. It's in the contract that she would travel sometimes but we did not go through the financial side. When I do, I would like to have a couple of ways of approaching it hence asking on here. As always, seems like there's lots of different ways of doing things. Just aware that since it's the first time, I am setting a precedent! I do not get paid more from my employer when I am away from home but it seems like the nanny industry does seem to get something for the inconvenience. I will mull on it but thank you so far for the input.

Your salary is high enough to expect you to travel for it. Your nanny's salary isn't.

Clymene · 16/01/2023 19:08

jmap81 · 16/01/2023 18:53

Hi all, yes the nanny did agree to this. I would not have hired her otherwise as I expect a bit of travelling with work. It's in the contract that she would travel sometimes but we did not go through the financial side. When I do, I would like to have a couple of ways of approaching it hence asking on here. As always, seems like there's lots of different ways of doing things. Just aware that since it's the first time, I am setting a precedent! I do not get paid more from my employer when I am away from home but it seems like the nanny industry does seem to get something for the inconvenience. I will mull on it but thank you so far for the input.

Of course they do. I'm imagining your hourly rate is significantly higher than your nanny's

Everydayitsgettingcloser · 16/01/2023 18:57

frozenpeasforever · 14/01/2023 22:34

You definitely don't need to pay for every hour she is away from home, that isn't how things work.

Companies that send people away on business for a week don't pay them for every hour they are away from home, only the hours they work. If they get an inconvenience payment that's on top.

This is what I would have said too. Slightly shocked that anyone would expect their usual hourly rate for every hour away - I certainly don't get that when I travel for work

jmap81 · 16/01/2023 18:53

Hi all, yes the nanny did agree to this. I would not have hired her otherwise as I expect a bit of travelling with work. It's in the contract that she would travel sometimes but we did not go through the financial side. When I do, I would like to have a couple of ways of approaching it hence asking on here. As always, seems like there's lots of different ways of doing things. Just aware that since it's the first time, I am setting a precedent! I do not get paid more from my employer when I am away from home but it seems like the nanny industry does seem to get something for the inconvenience. I will mull on it but thank you so far for the input.

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PegasusReturns · 16/01/2023 14:30

When I had a nanny I paid her an additional £75 per day we were away on top of her salary.

monitor1 · 16/01/2023 14:27

Has she said that she can do this? Is it in her contract? Would it not be easier just to use a babysitting agency locally?

Geranium1984 · 15/01/2023 13:10

As @nuffsaidsam says above, I've heard you pay half rate whilst they're sleeping.

Smileandtheworldsmileswithyou · 15/01/2023 13:00

You will need to pay her for all of the hours that she is away from home.

NuffSaidSam · 15/01/2023 12:58

As a nanny, I charge for all the hours I'm away from home (including travelling). Normal hourly rate during the day, babysitting rate from bedtime until you get back and then overnight rate until starting work the next morning (about half my daily rate normally).