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My Nanny thought her salary was net and not gross so now she wants a rise

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PanickyAnniky · 25/01/2008 22:54

I've just hired a Nanny to look after 8 month old DD and she's just finished her 3rd week with us. I stated 400 pounds per week in the advert, but my Nanny has just said that she hadn't realised she would have to pay tax etc on that money and that she wants me to give her 400 pounds after tax. I suppose I should have said 400 gross for super clarity, but with every job I have ever gone for myself I've always assumed the salary was gross and that I would have to pay tax. Has anyone else come across this and if so, what did they do?

My Nanny is working 9am-7pm Mon-Fri, so she is doing long days, but all this was clearly gone through in the interview. I am also offering 28 holiday days per year, 8 pound an hour for extra time (babysitting, weekends etc) and a 1000 bonus after a year. Does this sound reasonable?

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Neverenough · 26/01/2008 01:16

Christmas: I have 3 children-I can't in all honesty say that their washing, ironing, sheets etc takes 42 hours a week!

Neverenough · 26/01/2008 01:12

Yes she does-my children are in school.
I was born in Wales but grew up in Oz!
Nannies are fantastic and I couldn't have managed without my 3 lovely ones(not all at once!)
But we need to remember that a nanny is paid out of her employer's taxed income.
And a nanny doesn't have targets , audits, protocols to work to.
Horses for courses say I.

ChristmasShinySnowflakes · 26/01/2008 00:48

Neverenough: your nanny sounds as though she has far more time to spare than many of the other nannies I know.

Most of them are responsible for all the children's washing and ironing as well as ensuring their rooms are kept clean and tidy/beds changed regularly etc...

Good nannies work incredibly hard and barely get time to go to the loo let alone sit and have coffee and a chat with friends!

Wisteria · 26/01/2008 00:47

NE - are you Welsh?

1dilemma · 26/01/2008 00:42
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Neverenough · 26/01/2008 00:36

There's lovely then!

hatwoman · 26/01/2008 00:34

I guess I do too .

Neverenough · 26/01/2008 00:29

Absolutely!

1dilemma · 26/01/2008 00:24

We agree then

Neverenough · 26/01/2008 00:22

I don't have a problem with " you can't generalise" actually. But am talking from local and my own experience.In fact, a nanny I know is moving from a lovely job with tow gorgeous little boys to working with a Celebrity family and their very disabled child.She will have a very demanding job and all her hours will be filled. But would anyone disagree that the average normal nanny job has plenty of time to chat, drink coffee and play?
But here's the thing: Experience and qualifications dictate higher remuneration.

hatwoman · 26/01/2008 00:17

neverenough really. but anyone who cares to listen.... "you can't generalise" was aimed at neverenough

1dilemma · 26/01/2008 00:16

I didn't, being a nanny isn't a profession it's a job but lots of nannies would sau they work lunchtimes and don't get coffee breaks.

Neverenough · 26/01/2008 00:14

I work a 12 or 13 hour day. I don't ever get a lunchbreak and work through my coffee breaks. I often have to drop everything to respond to someone's needs.My nanny-whom I adore-has her nanny friends round for coffee and chat and never cooks anything for my kids more exotic than spaghetti bolognaise. She works for 42 hours a week and I still spend weekends ironing my DCs school uniform. Being a nanny ain't rocket science. I don't begrudge her the salary I pay her but lets not pretend she works at the same level as other professional jobs.

1dilemma · 26/01/2008 00:13

eh hat? are you talking to me or neverenough?

hatwoman · 26/01/2008 00:10

you can work hard in any job. you can be a dosser in any job. you can't generalise like that.

1dilemma · 26/01/2008 00:08

some do surely
some are nannies for recently bereved children, some nannies for severely disabled children some nannies for lots of children some get paid to take someone elses child to meet their friends for coffee

hatwoman · 26/01/2008 00:08

btw panickyanniky - one option that might help you is to get her registered to accept childcare vouchers (if your employer does them). You and dh/p can both get paid a portion of your salary in child care vouchers which you then use to pay her. there's a tax advantage - can't remember the exact details - but it does bring the cost down a bit - not a lot but it helps. some info here - but google for more

if it's your nanny's first nanny job then she could expect less. we were in the same situation when ours started - she'd been an au pair for a while (2 or 3 years iirc) but hadn;t done a nanny job - she's on £10 gross now she has a couple of years experience

Neverenough · 26/01/2008 00:05

I don't think nannies work superhard.

1dilemma · 25/01/2008 23:59

I would be in danger of paying my nanny more than I earn, that truely would be the time to kick back and let you lot pay my bills

Wisteria · 25/01/2008 23:56

God yes, no doubt they do work super hard but I had no idea that the salaries had reached those levels - when I was younger it was a vocational thing which on the whole was fairly badly paid but with nice perks, quite often.

Hope they're Norland trained at that rate anyway

I often put in 50+hour weeks though.

1dilemma · 25/01/2008 23:53

Oh wisteria some nannies work super hard some are clearly taking the piss (the ones wiht no qualies who only want to look after 1 baby and want a huge salary for doing so!) I think like lots of people some nannies salarys have shot up recently and it's still going on we looked 10 months ago and even now people are asking for significantly more. Have you seen how much teachers earn (I'm talking about the ones featured in the Times and FT a few months ago).

Wisteria · 25/01/2008 23:45

totally clueless here no doubt having neither been or hired a nanny, but I think that's a hell of a big salary..........it's more than I used to get pa as a management accountant (not London)

ingles2 · 25/01/2008 23:42

Why don't you suggest £400 a week net, pay her tax and NI and lose the bonus Panicky?

PanickyAnniky · 25/01/2008 23:38

Thank you so much for all the replies/thoughts. The contract says 400 pounds, but again doesn't specify net or gross - it looks like I have made a real mistake not being clearer.

I was planning to pay her tax and NI (via my accountant) but that wasn't going to start until 2 weeks time when they've got all their end of year accounts out of the way.

It also sounds like I should be paying her a bit more as we do live in London. She is not very experienced as this is her first Nanny job but she has worked as an aupair and a childminder previously. She is a bit lacking in confidence and is not the most lively of characters, but she is warming up and most importantly is kind and bonding well with DD. I would like to give her longer to settle in and grow with us - the contract gives me a 3 month probationary period.

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nannynick · 25/01/2008 23:27

I would agree, around £10 per hour gross for London area would be typical.
Alas me on the Surrey/Berkshire border doesn't get that much but I don't have to battle with London traffic either, and can go for walks in the countryside